So what's it all for?

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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:24 pm

There's a wealth of insightful advice in these 2 pages. Most of my own coping techniques have already been mentioned, but one wasn't, so I'll see if I can write a coherent paragraph or two. Over the past month or so, I've been immersed in a medical drama, caused, I believe, by the long-term effects of unethical human experimentation in my past. I've had to face the hard question of whether or not to be honest with medical personnel who've asked me over and over again whether I've had unusual radiation exposure. At first, I decided to be honest and simply told them why I believe I have, but their struggle to not react negatively to what I reported was painful to watch. It brought back all my own despair and conviction that I would *never* be believed if I told the truth. And that precipitated an existential crisis on top of the health one. So I feel your pain--really--though my angst was precipitated by life drama, not by losing my way via a slip into boredom/futility.

The ways I've coped with this have worked surprisingly well to restore meaning to my life. The first one I'm not sure is transferable to others, but I keep coming back to it as my touchstone in bad moments, so I'll share it: I had a stunning experience that simply flat-out negates the idea of life as being composed of only what we can touch. Seeing the ghost of a little African-American girl on a city bus a year and a half ago shattered a decade of agnosticism in a couple of minutes. It had been years since I'd had a major paranormal experience like that and I'd slipped into a despair similar to yours--Why are we here if this is all there is? What is the sense of all this pain? But suddenly I was faced with the fact (not belief, but first-hand experience) that Reality is much more than is commonly believed. The girl was clinging to her mother and watching her interact with an older brother, so love does not die at death. We are on a vast continuum and what we do here matters a lot. That was huge for me.

My second coping strategy has been touched on several times in this thread, but it's so effective that I want to reiterate: reconnecting with nature re-humanizes us. Much of the alienation I've struggled with in my life has vanished the second I stepped outside and got out of my own head. No matter how horrible my circumstances were, looking at sun or star light on leaves and flowers floods my brain with endorphins. And actually touching the earth seems to drain away depression even when I've been suicidal. A garden isn't necessary--a walk in a park works too, especially if you can walk on grass or dirt. Failing that, for emergency first aid in existential emergencies, subscribe to a Pinterest page or two of photos of a place in the world that fascinates you. For me it's France and New England--the sight of that natural beauty soothes my soul. If I weren't so old and infirm, I'd *love* to hop a ship to ports unknown, but there are other ways to feed that need for new natural vistas.

My hope is that something that's been mentioned in this thread has reignited your life force and engaged you again. And if not, then just know that there are lots of us out here who care that you're suffering--that alone might help you begin to regain your footing emotionally. For thinking people, I suspect these crises are common and may be the price of being more awake and aware than most. They sure hurt while they last, but I'm here to tell you that they're survivable and that you may even come through one a more deeply happy person.

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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby blankly » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:22 pm

LP2 " It brought back all my own despair and conviction that I would *never* be believed if I told the truth" . Tell it like it is anyway. One day they will be telling it like its their truth and they always knew it.
OP - Maybe try to enjoy the randomness.
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby Nordic » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:39 pm

This may sound kinda lame, but lately I have found a lot of comfort and solace on Instagram. Once you find the right people to follow, you experience their environments, and the beauty they want to share, literally around the clock and all around the world. I can watch a snowstorm spread across europe, and the winter change to spring (right now) in Tasmania! The colors of Brazil and the incredible daily sights of a scientist studying trees in Madagascar! It's really pretty damn fabulous, especially if you're as visually inclined as I am.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby peartreed » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:41 pm

LilyPatToo is an inspiration for many of us disbelieved and dismissed. :hug1:
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:37 pm

LilyPat, that was a beautiful post. Thank you for it.

Handsome (or Mr. Wonderful), I can't say better than LilyPat and the previous posters here have done. Fwiw, though, I have just had a kind of astoundingly horrible week in which I have learned a lot about people at their best and at their worst. Can't talk about it now because it would simply take too long to explain the context and history (it's work-related) and I am totally exhausted and still in the middle of it. Just this: I used to think the term "gaping like a fish" was a tired cliché, but I have now seen two very capable and articulate adults left literally gaping like fishes and have myself gaped like a fish at the vile behaviour of a man in a position of petty power over us all. Being currently caught up in this particular lifestream (life-eddy), in this particular time and place, we have no option but to go with it for the duration and acquit ourselves as well as we can. Something valuable may yet come out of it. And even if it doesn't, it's good to remember that other things will follow, planned and unplanned, mundane and strange, dull and surprising. Life goes on, inevitably, until it doesn't any more, or at least not in this dimension, Anybody's life will include periods of disorientation & deeply demoralising and infuriating experiences (not to mention long stretches of sheer excruciating enforced boredom), but none of these need necessarily deaden our souls. Whatever it is any of us is currently going through, none of it will last forever.

This entire thread has helped me too, so thanks for having had the courage and honesty to start it from the other side of the planet. I loved Pele'sDaughter's line, and have put it in the RI Quotes thread (not least because I wanted to remember it myself):

"You are not your job. You're a spiritual being having a physical experience."

The advice and/or company of sane women has always been good for me, and it has helped me endure this week too, once during a walk in the woods. Nature, yes. And sometimes: thank god for the Internet, which is part of nature too (how could it not be?)

Good luck.
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:38 pm

Handsome B. Wonderful, I apologize. Long ago I foolishly ridiculed your choice of username. I was wrong then and will remain sorry forever.

I agree completely with Searcher's advice. Become a healer if you feel it calling you. A physical therapist, a massage therapist are all things you can become if you desire it, but only you can make that happen. Take out a school loan or save a bit and go to school part-time and continue working part-time.
Work with the disabled. Your kindness is needed by many who would benefit greatly through your loving interactions.

You are the only one capable of effecting the change you seek. I'm sure most here would offer you their moral support, should you leap at the opportunity

Neon, I'll be sending some healing vibes your way. Sad to learn of your trials.

Blessings, Peace and Love to all.
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby NeonLX » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:49 pm

Thanks, IAWIA...Wish I hadn't taken away from that handsome, wonderful guy's post. That was really selfish of me. Apologies, all.

Ya, heading to the great outdoors without electronic connections is good. So is helping people, whether you know them or not. Maybe even more fun if you DON'T know them. :)
America is a fucked society because there is no room for essential human dignity. Its all about what you have, not who you are.--Joe Hillshoist
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:45 pm

Not selfish at all, Neon. Some do look at their own situation with futility. Providing another with a different perspective, such as yours, can often be helpful and I believe Handsome understood this was your motive. 'Yeah, my life sucks,' one might say, 'but could you imagine having to deal with all that you are?

I gave up 'trying' a very long time ago and just go with the flow. No worries. Just doing my part to make a better world for my descendants and yours. I aim to always be truthful and helpful to any who's need is brought to my attention. Handsome, feel the love.
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby justdrew » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:51 pm

what is a flower for?
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:13 pm

Funny I had forgotten to mention anything about enjoying nature. In the natural world I find the joy of life. Knowing for however short my visit is to be that I am then closest to that we were whenever I'm outdoors walking through woods.

A flower's purpose is manifold according to each whomever observes it or smells its distinct aroma or enjoys its flavor. For some creatures it provides a sheltered nursery and for others, like bees, it sustains life during long cold times of hardship.
Were she alive and you asked Georgia O'Keeffe you'd surely get a far different answer, perhaps something lurid, like, a lily is not really a lily, you silly boy.
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby justdrew » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:58 am




It may be possible to put living things TO a purpose but they do not have an intrinsic purpose, like for instance, a paperclip. Seeking that which is not there is hopeless, the only possible answer would be partial or delusional. Well, maybe a meta-answer exists, life is for imagining reasons.

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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby Handsome B. Wonderful » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:56 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:38 am wrote:Handsome B. Wonderful, I apologize. Long ago I foolishly ridiculed your choice of username. I was wrong then and will remain sorry forever.


Really? I don't remember that. lol
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:07 pm

Yeah, I think you showed up right around the time of "San Diego Buff Guy" and to me, the two screen names were sorta conflated. It's San Diego Buff Guy's fault. I genuinely wish you well, distant friend. Speaking of which, who the fuck was that guy again who drew all those lines between shit on Mars?
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby Joao » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:19 pm

82_28 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:07 pm wrote:who the fuck was that guy again who drew all those lines between shit on Mars?

If you really want to know, his bio is linked in his RI profile. A websearch for max mars rigorousintuition will take you there.

I had to ask three times to get my account approved here. I kind of thought it was because the email address I registered with includes the name Max, and the mods thought I was his sock. But he doesn't appear to be banned so maybe it was just my bad breath...
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Re: So what's it all for?

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:00 am

All we are saying is give meth a chance.
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