The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread: Russell Brand & others.

Postby smiths » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:27 am

this has caused me to consider a few things quite thoroughly this morning,

specifically it has caused me to consider exactly what i want to overthrow, and what i don't

earlier this year at Oxford University - one of the privileged establishments of the dominant class that Brand rightly parodies - Professor Jeremy Waldron gave a lecture on Political Theory

in it, he examined political theory, political institutions and the individuals that operate within them,

he noted that when the British elite are trained at Oxford in political theory they are mostly given lectures and tutorials about "equality, about rights, about liberty, and about justice, they might also get a couple of lectures about institutions, obligations to obey the law, and the philosophical foundations of democracy.

What they dont get is education or insight into "institutional principles such as constitutionalism, the separation of powers, the nature of sovereignty, international law, the rule of law, the legal process, the role of the courts in modern governance, bicameralism or representation."

At the top level of political students there is an ignorance about the institutions, the functions they serve, the reasons they were so hard fought for in the first place.
In society there is a total ignorance of why we have a separation of powers, what it means to have an independent judiciary, what innocence before the law means.

In our creeping slouch towards a new kind of technocratic fascism we are not just attacking the elites that are oppressing us, we are condemning the best institutions we have ever created for the defence of freedom.

I want to overthrow the big business stranglehold over global society, i want to overthrow the corrupt and cynical political elites who act as facilitators,
but i don't want to overthrow the brilliant democratic institutions that were built in the last three centuries

i don't want the revolutionary tabula rasa, because there is no ultimate solution, there is good institutions, and vigilance
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread: Russell Brand & others.

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:22 am

Anyone else spot the deliberate Russell-esque hand signal at 3.05? Wonder what that mean't? Looks like a puckered asshole to me.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread: Russell Brand & others.

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:57 am

Worlds collide as Russell Brand predicts a revolution


PAUL MASON
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When Russell Brand told Jeremy Paxman there would an anti-capitalist revolution, the comedian was speaking for all those who despise what growing inequality is doing to their lives.

Russell Brand skewered my old mate Jeremy Paxman last night, on the subject of "revolution". Or rather, they skewered each other. It was one of those rare media occasions where each participant achieves exactly what they want to: Russell to inspire a generation, Jeremy to get a feisty interview with one of the key voices of his age.

Russell's normal shtick is benign mayhem: to be the Jungian trickster. Jeremy's shtick is to conduct every interview from the point of view of an 18th century country vicar, who if the times were not so chaotic might - as in Orwell's poem - "preach upon eternal gloom / And watch my walnuts grow".

In Jeremy's world all legitimacy comes from the parliamentary process and the monarchy. In Russell's world things are different. In Russell's world people are so fed up with capitalism that there is a high likelihood of revolution. When he made this point, Jeremy's eyebrow went crazy.


So who is right?

Russell stands up in front of thousands of young people who've paid a serious dollop of their wages to hear him make them laugh. Though he looks like a survivor from Altamont, his audience do not: they are young, professional people; nurses, bank clerks, call centre operatives.

And what Russell has picked up is that they hate, if not the concept of capitalism, then what it's doing to them. They hate the corruption manifest in politics and the media; the rampant criminality of a global elite whose wealth nestles beyond taxation and accountability; the gross and growing inequality; and what it's doing to their own lives.

Russell's audience get pay cheques, but their real spending power is falling. They don't just need help to buy, they need help to pay the mortgage; help to get out of relationships that are collapsing under economic stress; help to pay the legal loan shark and meet the minimum credit card payment.

When Russell Brand tells Jeremy Paxman capitalism is destroying the plant, it's like watching proxies for two different worlds collide.
Above all, they need help to understand what kind of good life capitalism is going to offer their generation. Because since Lehman Brothers that has not been obvious.

Jeremy's audience consists of their mums and dads. They too are worried about the future, but - as a generation - financially secure.

So when Russell tells Jeremy profit is evil, that capitalism is destroying the planet, that politics is corrupt, it's like watching proxies for two completely different worlds collide.

Of course, it's not really Paxman who should be having to defend the status quo: it's the people who think it's a great idea to let a private health guy run the NHS. Or that having most of the press owned by a few rich men who keep their money offshore is normal.


Spiritual revolution

In this week's New Statesman Russell Brand spells out a 4,500 manifesto for what turns out to be a slow, spiritual revolution which he thinks has begun:

"To genuinely make a difference, we must become different; make the tiny, longitudinal shift. Meditate, direct our love indiscriminately and our condemnation exclusively at those with power. Revolt in whatever way we want, with the spontaneity of the London rioters, with the certainty and willingness to die of religious fundamentalists or with the twinkling mischief of the trickster. We should include everyone, judging no one, without harming anyone."

I think, on balance, Russell is right about the prospect of a revolution. It won't be a socialist revolution, nor even an anti-capitalist one in design.

On balance, Russell is right about the prospect of a revolution. It will be a rejection of the corrupt values of those who run society.
It will be something cultural - like the mass uprising of Turkish youth I saw in Taksim Square this year. A complete rejection of the corrupt and venal values of those who run society. In fact, as I've written before, it's already going on.

What's driving it is the failure of the current model of capitalism to answer some basic questions: like where will the jobs come from if automation takes over our lives? Where will high wages come from if workers' bargaining power is just repeatedly stamped down by the process of globalisation? How will this generation be secure in old age, if the pension system is shattered and we face half a century of boom-bust?

To people of my generation the absence of outright anger, rage and aggression sometimes makes it seem like young people don't care about any of this. But anger and rage are behaviourally impossible in our society: show any kind of emotion, or raise your voice, and the range of official responses goes from "being asked to leave" to tasering.

All the repression of the various protests - Sol, Syntagma, Taksim, Occupy - has done is to force the anger and rejection inwards.

Social unrest

The revolution that's underway is more about mental and cultural rejection of the story on offer: to leave college with a heap of debt, to work as a near-slave in your early twenties in the name of "work placement" or "internship".

And it is not only Russell who thinks there's going to be a revolution. Analysts at the Gartner group, an IT consultancy, recently issued this warning:

A larger scale version of an 'Occupy Wall Street'-type movement will begin by the end of 2014.
Gartner group IT consultants
"By 2020, the labor reduction effect of digitization will cause social unrest and a quest for new economic models in several mature economies. A larger scale version of an "Occupy Wall Street"-type movement will begin by the end of 2014, indicating that social unrest will start to foster political debate."


So Russell versus Jeremy was a big cultural event, akin maybe to one of those David Frost interviews in the Profumo era, only in this case it's the interviewee, not the interviewer, who speaks for the upcoming generation.

Because while on my timeline everybody over 40 is saying, effectively, "tee hee, isn't Brand outrageous", a lot of people in their twenties are saying simply: Russell is right, bring it on.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread: Russell Brand & others.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:49 am

Cross-posting from the other thread:

smiths » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:58 am wrote:Responses

Russell Brand: Not Only Daft but Dangerous
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-l ... K+Politics

Russell Brand takes on the crisis of civilisation. But what now?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... n-what-now

An Epic Interview Between Russell Brand And Britain's Toughest Journalist Has Everyone Talking About 'Revolution'
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/russe ... an-2013-10

Russell Brand is far from trivial. On Newsnight, he made Paxman look ridiculous
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 01524.html

Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night
http://gawker.com/russell-brand-may-hav ... socialflow


^^Many of the hacks & pundits are in the huff and some of them are decidedly worried if not close to panic.They are reduced to their standard and increasingly-ineffective condescension-shtick.

Nafeez Ahmed identifies some more of them and makes some good points in today's Guardian:


Russell Brand takes on the crisis of civilisation. But what now?

Nafeez Ahmed
Friday 25 October 2013 06.01 BST
theguardian.com

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... n-what-now


But even this is still a bit too chin-stroking, imo. Too many liberal and even leftist intellectuals are too worried about what mischief the unwashed mob might get up to without their own careful and judicious guidance/ management/control. That's a large part of what has to be overcome. And I don't like the way Nafeez casually [mis-]uses the word "anarchy" to mean "chaos and bloodshed".
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread: Russell Brand & others.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:27 am

Less than two full days after that Newsnight broadcast, the YouTube video posted by the BBC itself has had more than 2.5 million views, and those viewers are nearly 94% in favour of Brand:

Views: 2.535.115

Like: 30.668 Dislike: 593

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk


Maybe Paxman should take voting as seriously as he claims to do.

PS Comments have been disabled by the BBC! :eeyaa
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:44 pm

The Coming Insurrection

Anonymous French text that caused a stir in France and Germany in 2007, just before the crash of '08 & the banksters' heist & the ensuing and ongoing "austerity". Authored by "The Invisible Committee":

L’insurrection qui vient (full text, pdf)

full text in English

full text in English (formatted HTML)

I only skimmed it in a hurry & a bit impatiently at the time but want to read the whole 130 pages properly now. (Not that anyone needs to swallow a library or decipher an instruction manual before they can understand or talk about or contribute to the change that's inevitably gonna come. Rocket science it ain't. Whatever difficulties may arise will lie elsewhere.)

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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:44 pm

This nice affable little chap was someone I quite liked half-listening to as he chuntered on amiably in the days when I still tuned in to BBC World radio (i.e., in the days before they, with typical modern-managerial mean-spiritedness, "rationalised" their programme by removing all comedy from it):

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Robin Lustig
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His inconsequential musings were pleasant-enough verbal background muzak when you were getting the kid ready for kindergarten or waiting for an egg to boil or stuck on the phone on-hold while trying to reach a callcentre or just staring silently into space or whatever.

But Mr. Lustig's comments on Brand's Paxman interview are telling. They can only be called vicious, unless you're also going to bother pointing out how stupid they are. Beware the common-or-garden English bourgeois when he suspects, even slightly, that someone somewhere might possibly be after his stuff.

Russell Brand: Not Only Daft but Dangerous
Posted: 24/10/2013 17:05

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-l ... K+Politics


(Published in the Huffington Post[-encephalitic], which I believe counts as a leftwing organ in the States.)
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MayDay » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:34 pm

View count jumped 100,000 in the time it took me to watch this! Now at 4,135,000. Let's have a revolution!!!
Paxman: 'In a democracy, that's how it works"
Brand: "Well, I don't think it's working very well, Jeremy, given that the planet is being destroyed, given that there is economic disparity to a huge degree- what you're saying is that there's no alternative, that there's...???-"
Paxman- "NO, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you can't be asked to vote, why should we be asked to listen to your political point of view?"
(is anyone else sick and tired of being asked this question???)
Brand: You don't have to listen to my point of view! But, it's not that I'm not voting out of apathy, I'm not voting out of absolute indifference, and out of weariness and exhaustion at the lies, treachery, and deceipt of the political class that has been going on for generations now, which has reached fever pitch now, wherewe have a disenfranchised, disillusioned, despondent underclass that are not being represented by that political system. So voting for it is tacit complicity with that system
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MayDay » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:39 pm

It's gonna hit 5 million in the next hour!
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:55 pm

From 9:50 on after Paxman asks him if he sees any hope is truly inspiring, which isn't something I say very much at all anymore. I think I've watched it 5 or 6 times now. I think that accounts for some of the mounting view counts.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:32 am

brainpanhandler » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:55 pm wrote:From 9:50 on after Paxman asks him if he sees any hope is truly inspiring, which isn't something I say very much at all anymore. I think I've watched it 5 or 6 times now. I think that accounts for some of the mounting view counts.


An old Welsh guy -- a former actor, a real lefty, now a teacher & boatbuilder near 70 -- wrote the following (italics in the original):

Oddly, I find that vid deeply gratifying, yet without any sense of nasty schadenfreude, which I'm often tempted to feel, and which I rather deplore in myself.


He meant the way Brand contends so successfully with the seasoned old careerist Paxman in argument, never by crushing or "pwn"ing him or withering him with sarcasm or shouting him down, just by being perfectly present and fully alive.

I agree, it is moving to see, and hear. I've watched it twice now. That video keeps reminding me of other great moments. I was a mere child when Muhammed Ali was in his prime but I loved him to bits, and it's no exaggeration to say that Brand has that kind of human quality, in his own way, in his own time, and without being or having to be a bruiser.

In the pretty rough working-class city I grew up in, there's a slightly bizarre thing grown men often say (or shout!) when they're just amazed & delighted by a footballer's skill, guts and imagination: "Ya dancer! Ya f***ing dancer!"

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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:54 am

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A snippet of email communications some cohorts and I had about this [warts and all]:

Fellas:

That was quite an interesting interview, and it's always nice to see people with social influence speak so eloquently and truthfully about the inherent flaws of our current political and economic paradigm.

Here's why I'm not quite ready to suck his cock though:

It's easy to abstain from the political processes when you are in a economic position to do so. For HIM elections don't matter, because regardless of who is in office (Labor or Conservative, Democrat or Republican) he can be a comedian and make money, buy medical and dental insurance, tour the world and live a happy and healthy life while simultaneously waxing poetic and "fighting" the establishment. His decision not to participate in the current political processes is a luxury he enjoys and not, by any means, a noble or grand gesture.

I think we need to face the fact that we may be in a similar situation as Mr. Brand. I assume that all of us on this email list, like Brand, have been able to take advantage of life's opportunities and secure a stable life for ourselves. For us, elections may not be so consequential.

So let's be very clear! Someone earlier said they are "proof positive that voting makes no difference." - No you're not. You are proof positive that voting makes no difference for you. There is a clear distinction. Our jobs provide us with health insurance regardless of who occupies the White House, and should we lose our jobs, we have the education and skills to secure such insurance by other means.

However there are many more vulnerable members of our society for whom elections are indeed consequential. For example, the overwhelming majority of SNAP (Food Stamp) participants are poor families with children, seniors, or people with disabilities. Close to half of all participants are children, and over half of all non-elderly, non-disabled adult participants live with children. When you have one party that wants to cut the program entirely and another that wants to support it, elections do matter ( for those who get to eat based on its existence).

I agree that the system is inherently flawed, and that the only way to really change things might be an ugly revolution, but who among us is now willing to give up our place (comfort zone) in the system we so vehemently deride? You? Me?Brand? Are we ready to give up our establishment jobs, cancel our credit cards, stop buying gasoline, close our bank accounts and join the ranks of the desperate?

In my estimation, fostering the dissemination of factual information is how, at this point, we can best make a difference, but our rhetoric shouldn't lead us away from the reality that we must first work within the system before we can break out of it, and in the meantime more people need health coverage and children need to fucking eat!

(For the record, I'm never gonna be ready to suck his cock or any other cock. )

REPLY:

Love the response, particularly the re-emphasis of your refusal to fellate Mr. Brand... though have you ever seen him in person? It may change your mind... ;-)

Silliness aside, I agree with the spirit of your message; it is indeed easier for him -- and any of us -- to speak of such ideals from our relatively lofty perches (at least when compared to millions of humans in other parts of the world). I've alluded to this in prior emails I've sent to this group.

And I see your point Re: voting, though the fact remains that we have 2 elitist parties to choose from in our National "elections", and that BOTH parties serve only the interests of the few/their lobbies. The People are not being serviced. The politicians no longer represent the people, and are increasingly being more OVERT in their indifference/apathy.

The fact they -- for example -- dangle the option of Food Stamps vs. No Food Stamps as an incentive (and more importantly, as a signal that there is a difference between the two parties when for all intents and purposes there isn't) to vote for one party or another insulting and a disservice to the people, and simply another mechanism to perpetuate the charade of a variance in philosophy between the "two" Parties. HOWEVER, in PRACTICAL terms, you're absolutely right: those that NEED such services are ABSOLUTELY at the mercy of "the vote" and its outcome.

But as we all know, votes can be tampered with. They can be compromised. They can be bought/subject to influence by those with the resources/influence/lobbies to do so.
The poor (or those in need of food stamps) have NO SUCH mechanisms at their disposal, and as such, have minimal/no leverage and/or influence over the outcome, regardless of how many of them vote.

The system is broken. Sure, Brand may be hypocritical. He may not be the best/ideal spokesperson given his current life of luxury. But he's throwing things out there that NEED to be thrown out there.

That said, I won't be 'sucking his cock' anytime soon myself. His intentions may not be entirely pious -- but the fact he's saying these things publicly, and it's garnering a substantial amount of attention, is certainly not a bad thing..... for now. Let's see how those with money/power choose to act on this, if in fact his words begin to carry more influence than "THEY" prefer.

Lastly, this editorial he penned touches on a couple of your sentiments Re: his position of privilege in comparison to many others... he clearly is acutely aware of his perch.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... revolution

A couple EXCERPTS from the [rather long] article:

I should qualify my right to even pontificate on such a topic and in so doing untangle another of revolution’s inherent problems. Hypocrisy. How dare I, from my velvet chaise longue, in my Hollywood home like Kubla Khan, drag my limbs from my harem to moan about the system? A system that has posited me on a lilo made of thighs in an ocean filled with honey and foie gras’d my Essex arse with undue praise and money.
I once, during the early steps of this thousand-mile journey to decadent somnambulance, found myself embroiled in a London riot. It was around the bafflement of the millennium and we were all uptight about zeroes lining up three wide and planes falling from the sky and the national mood was weird.
At this point I’d attended a few protests and I loved them. At a Liverpool dockers march, the chanting, the bristling, the rippedup paving stones and galloping police horses in Bono glasses flipped a switch in me. I felt connected, on a personal level I was excited by the chaos, a necessary component of transition, I like a bit of chaos however it’s delivered. The disruption of normalcy a vital step in any revolution. Even aesthetically, aside from the ideology, I beam at the spectacle of disruption, even when quite trivial. As a boy a bird in the house defecating on our concept of domesticity as much as our settee, a signal of the impermanence and illusory nature of our humdrum comforts. The riot in question came when I was working at MTV and for the first time in my life had money, which to me was little more than regal letters to be delivered to drug dealers.
My involvement in the riot came without invitation or intention, I was in fact oxymoronically shopping (emphasis on the moron) with a stylist in the West End, at the expense of MTV, which is perhaps the planet’s most obvious purveyor of neurodross and pop-cultural claptrap – like a glistening pink pony trotting through your mind shitting glitter.
I was smacked up and gacked up and togged up in the nitwit livery of late-Nineties television, a crackhead Harlequin with Hoxton hair, when it came to my attention that Reclaim the Streets had a march on. On learning this, I without a flicker of self-awareness palmed off my shopping bags jammed with consumer treats and headed for the throng. Just before the kettling and boredom, while things were still buzzing, bongos, bubbles and whistles, I was hurt when a fellow protester piously said to me: “What you doing here? I’ve seen you, you work for MTV.” I felt pretty embarrassed that my involvement was being questioned, in a manner that is all too common on the left. It’s been said that: “The right seeks converts and the left seeks traitors.” This moral superiority that is peculiar to the left is a great impediment to momentum. It is also a right drag when you’re trying to enjoy a riot.

AND ANOTHER SNIPPET:

"The absurdity of our localised consciousness and global ignorance hit me hard when I went on a Comic Relief trip to Kenya.
Like most of the superficially decent things I do in life, my motivation was to impress women more than to aid the suffering. “A couple of days in Africa,” I thought, “and a lifetime cashing in on pics of me with thin babies, speculate to accumulate,” I assured my anxious inner womaniser.
After visiting the slums of Kibera, where a city built from mud and run on fear festers on the suburbs of Nairobi, I was sufficiently schooled by Live Aid and Michael Buerk to maintain an emotional distance. It was only when our crew visited a nearby rubbish dump that the comforting buoyancy of visual clichés rinsed away by the deluge of a previously inconceivable reality. This rubbish dump was not like some tip off the M25 where you might dump a fridge freezer or a smashed-in mattress. This was a nation made of waste with no end in sight. Domestic waste, medical waste, industrial waste formed their own perverse geography. Stinking rivers sluiced through banks of putrid trash, mountains, valleys, peaks and troughs all formed from discarded filth. An ecology based on our indifference and ignorance in the “cradle of civilisation” where our species is said to have originated. Here amid the pestilence I saw Armageddon. Here the end of the world is not a prophecy but a condition. A demented herd chewed polystyrene cud. Sows fed their piglets in the bilge. Gloomy shadows split the sun as marabou storks, five foot in span with ragged labial throats, swooped down. My mate Nik said he had to revise his vision of hell to include what he’d seen.
Here and there, picking through this unending slander, children foraged for bottle tops, which had some value, where all is worthless.
For a while when I returned to my sanitised house and my sanitised state of mind I guiltily thumbed bottle tops for a moment before I disposed of them; temporarily they were like crucifixes for these kids, sacrificed that I may live in privilege. A few weeks later I was in Paris at a Givenchy fashion show where the most exquisite garments cantered by on underfed, well-bred clothes horses. The spectacle was immaculate, smoke-filled bubbles burst on to the runway. To be here in this gleaming sophistication was heaven. Here starvation is a tool to achieve the perfect perpendicular pelvis.
Now, I bow to no one in my appreciation of female beauty and fancy clobber but I could not wrench the phantom of those children from my mind, in this moment I felt the integration; that the price of this decadence was their degradation. That these are not dislocated ideas but the two extremes are absolutely interdependent. The price of privilege is poverty. David Cameron said in his conference speech that profit is “not a dirty word”. Profit is the most profane word we have. In its pursuit we have forgotten that while individual interests are being met, we as a whole are being annihilated. The reality, when not fragmented through the corrupting lens of elitism, is we are all on one planet.
To have such suffering adjacent to such excess is akin to marvelling at an incomparable beauty, whose face is the radiant epitome of celestial symmetry, and ignoring, half a yard lower down, her abdomen, cancerous, weeping and carbuncled. “Keep looking at the face, put a handbag over those tumours. Strike a pose. Come on, Vogue.”
Suffering of this magnitude affects us all. We have become prisoners of comfort in the absence of meaning. A people without a unifying myth. Joseph Campbell, the comparative mythologist, says our global problems are all due to the lack of relevant myths. That we are trying to sustain social cohesion using redundant ideologies devised for a population that lived in deserts millennia ago. What does it matter if 2,000 years ago Christ died on the cross and was resurrected if we are not constantly resurrected to the truth, anew, moment to moment? How is his transcendence relevant if we do not resurrect our consciousness from the deceased, moribund mind of our obsolete ideologies and align with our conditions?
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:01 pm

Fellas:


Are we not men? Oh yes we are, we're better men than he is, and we'll leave him in no doubt about that, the "privileged" preening motherfucker. For we, unlike Mr. Fancypants-Girlyboy-Gayboy-Brand (what the fuck do the babes see in him?), are caring individuals who understand and worry about "the more vulnerable members of our society".

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I'm not quite ready to suck his cock

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(For the record, I'm never gonna be ready to suck his cock or any other cock. )

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REPLY:

Love the response, particularly the re-emphasis of your refusal to fellate Mr. Brand... though have you ever seen him in person? It may change your mind... ;-)

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That said, I won't be 'sucking his cock' anytime soon myself.


Methinks the fellas do protest too much. Or at least one of them does.

And really, this is one of the things that's gonna have to change if any real & lasting change is gonna come: this routine way, -- this instinct, or at least this ingrained habit -- (among grown fellas, and yes I too have been guilty of it, repeatedly too, mea culpa) of viewing any kind of disagreement as a sexualised contest, as a dominance-ritual, as a trial of attitood, as a cockfight, a dick-battle, a war. Who pwned whom? Did Brand pwn Paxman? We can pwn Brand. Cos Brand's a pussy, Brand's a wuss. Who's gonna force whom to suck whose dick? That is the question. Fucked if it'll be me, I'm no sucker. Sucking sucks, fuck that. What does "fuck" mean? It means "rape", most of the time. De facto. In the extended sense. Fuck him, fuck her, fuck them. Fuck you. Who's your daddy? Who? What's my name, I say what's my name? Can't hear you, say it louder. You got it, ladyboy. Suck on that, you jerk. There, Daddy loves you. Daddy looks after you. For Daddy really cares about the vulnerable members of our society, unlike that rich bedizened whore Russ-the-Wuss. Fuck him.

- Did any of you even bother to find out anything about Russell Brand's actual background?

the inherent flaws of our current political and economic paradigm


Did any of you actually listen to what he said? Not just three nights ago, but many many times, both in speech and in writing? Did any of you read what he wrote when Thatcher died? Did any of you read what he wrote last week in the New Statesman? (The link was posted by justdrew on page 1 of this thread.) [ON EDIT: Yes. Savant, sorry & good on you for posting so much of it in your reply.]

For HIM elections don't matter, because regardless of who is in office (Labor or Conservative, Democrat or Republican) he can be a comedian and make money, buy medical and dental insurance, tour the world and live a happy and healthy life while simultaneously waxing poetic and "fighting" the establishment. His decision not to participate in the current political processes is a luxury he enjoys and not, by any means, a noble or grand gesture.


He was not always rich, famous, successful, or even a comedian, or even healthy. On the contrary. And he did say he would be prepared to give up many of his "baubles and balderdash" -- his wealth, his stuff -- in favour of lasting justice and real change. And he has never voted. Never. And he did explain precisely why. And he did also explain to Paxman where he had just come from and whom he had just been speaking to.

Something better change. It's not an option, it's not an order, it's simply plain to see.

So what's the change gonna bring? Socialism or barbarism? Who knows. We might ask a not-very-girly girl. And we might also remember what the fellas, united, eventually did to her (You could say they pwned her, and her friend. You could say they both got fucked, and many other losers too. Such is history, a nightmare they struggled to awake from until murder intervened. Sometimes life sucks, not to mention death.)
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:43 pm

Belligerent Savant, I hope I didn't sound as if I was haranguing you as though you were a civilization. There's nothing personal about it, that's why I left your RI name out of it. I don't know you personally and I don't know the other fellas at all, except through that one snippet. I just used your post to hang some things on it that have been bugging me increasingly in recent years. It's as much a note to myself as anything else, a reminder. Thanks for posting what you did, "warts and all", as you say.
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Re: The Revolution-Now Thread (Russell B. & others).

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:54 pm

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No need to mention it -- I posted it with the expectation of a response, and always welcome objective/critical feedback.

Full disclosure: I was the one who replied to the initial "Fellas.." email [which itself was a reply to an already ongoing thread].

I also found the repeated reference of 'sucking cock' a bit odd -- I only know this person through an acquaintance, via email {it's the acquaintance that added him to the email thread} and haven't met him face-to-face, though I should add he may have simply been responding to some 'over-zealousness' in the responses by others earlier in the email thread -- so I replied with a jestful comment about his opinion potentially changing if he met him in person, primarily to take the edge off from the figure of speech he employed; to use his language and incorporate it into the sentiment I attempted to convey, in other words.

Of course, it goes without saying that if these email responses were sent to a larger audience some of the more 'colorful' language would have likely been excluded/edited/more measured...

[I'm also familiar with Brand's -- poor/modest -- background, but frankly didn't have the interest in detailing it in my response as I was focused on other points beyond the defense of Brand]
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