The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

[seemslikeadream]

ask ProSemite about that Wombat...they kept a good list

and why do you think Progressive Independent was created?

[Wombaticus Rex]

ask ProSemite about that Wombat...they kept a good list

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't deflect the question -- it's not semantics, or even a subtle distinction: it is literally the line where a discussion of the "pro-Israel lobby" leaves the land of "context."

Conflating the policies of Israel with inherent qualities of the "Jewish ethnic group" is racism. Just on a basic, dictionary level. More importantly, though, it's really lazy/sloppy reasoning.

[seemslikeadream]

you're the one doing that...not me

[Wombaticus Rex]

So this is just one of those things where you're not reading what you type? Cool, carry on.

I don't think you're racist, for the record, just horrible with words and grumpy about taking correction from any living mammal.

[seemslikeadream]

So this is just one of those things where you're not reading what you type? Cool, carry on.

I don't think you're racist, for the record, just horrible with words and grumpy about taking correction from any living mammal.

oh Womby I have been aware for a very very long time now that I do not live up to the high brow standards of a few posters here and guess what...I'm old and I do not care one frickin' bit what you all think of my needy wordsmith abilities ......or taking correction from "lower" life forms

I am well aware of my place in the chain of intellectuals here

[Wombaticus Rex]

Understood, and being grumpy is certainly no sin. Curmudgeons make the world go round.

[norton ash]

Curmudgeons make the world go round.

Ssshh. We don't want curmudgeon heat here, besides all those North Koreans.

[bluenoseclaret]

Something for the evening:

“We don’t have the luxury to wait” for Israel to change on its own, says Ilan Pappe.....Frank Barat

http://electronicintifada.net/content/w ... appe/12971

"......By 1936, you could already see the beginning of the real result of this strategy: Palestinians were evicted from land purchased by the Zionist movement; Palestinians lost their jobs because of Zionist strategy to take over the labor market. It was very clear that the European Jewish problem was going to be solved in Palestine.

All these three factors pushed Palestinians for the first time to say “we are going to do something about it,” and they tried to revolt. You needed the all might of the British Empire to crush that revolt as it did happen. It took them three years; they used the repertoire of actions against the Palestinians that were as bad as those that would be used later on by the Israelis to quell the Palestinian intifadas of 1987 and 2000.............."

....When you lose someone like that ( Edward Said ), you have people that are taking the fragmentation that Israel imposes on the Palestinians and act as if this is a reality itself. What we need is to overcome the intellectual, physical and the cultural fragmentation that Israel imposes on us, Palestinians and Jews, and to strive to come back to something far more organic and integrated so that the third generation of Jewish settlers and indigenous native people of Palestine could have a future together."

Something different:

Iran Bashing, Terrorism and Who Chose The Chosen People, Anyway?... Anthony Lawson

This guy has a great voice.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eptPeSmA ... r_embedded

"Dedicated to the long-suffering Palestinians and Iranians who have been sidelined by the United Nations in favour of the Nuclear Apartheid State of Zionist Israel in the most blatant exercise in International Double Standards that our world has ever known.

This video demonstrates that the United States is not a democracy, it is a bribeocracy, largely controlled by Zionists. But citizens of other nations need not be complacent, for there is much evidence to suggest that the same pressures are being brought to bear on their politicians and officials to support Israel's excesses, and an Internet search will reveal that the first ever European Jewish Parliament held its inaugural meeting early in February, 2012; something that the mainstream media seemed reluctant to publicise...."

One never knows...

The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families...By Dean Henderson

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federa ... t-families

"The Four Horsemen of Banking (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo) own the Four Horsemen of Oil (Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch/Shell, BP and Chevron Texaco); in tandem with Deutsche Bank, BNP, Barclays and other European old money behemoths. But their monopoly over the global economy does not end at the edge of the oil patch.

According to company 10K filings to the SEC, the Four Horsemen of Banking are among the top ten stock holders of virtually every Fortune 500 corporation.
So who then are the stockholders in these money center banks?....."

I blame Wombaticus Rex....

I typed into Google..."north korean hasbara"......just curious. It serves me right...

This comes up...
Zombie Hasbara: 'World War Z' and Hollywood's Zionist embrace
mondoweiss

[American Dream]

"We can’t talk about Israel because we are Israel"

…euro-americans in the United States can’t talk about Gaza, because we can’t talk about Israel. Because we can’t talk about the fact that the world is not suffering from a Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but that the world is suffering from the fact that Europe has never been able to deal with it’s ‘Jewish Question’ without some sort of intense barbarity and horror from the Inquisition to the Holocaust. And that Europe, in particular ‘Great’ Britain, the masters of divide an conquer ‘solved’ the problem by supporting the radical, terrorist, extremist Zionists and their mad plan to resettle the ‘homeland.’ We can’t talk about Israel because we can’t talk about Wounded Knee. Because we can’t talk about Sand Creek or Carlisle ‘Boarding School.’ Because we can’t talk about forced sterilization or small pox blankets or Kit Carson and his scorched earth policy in the Southwest. Because we have Andrew Jackson on our twenty dollar bill. Because we are one huge settlement on stolen land. We can’t talk about Israel because we are Israel.

Nima Shirazi agrees:

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/as-the-di ... exact.html


As the discourse shifts, ‘NYT’ stays rooted in the past (the 1800s to be exact)
Nima Shirazi on November 20, 2012

“The only way to stop this evil is for the red man to unite in claiming a common and equal right in the land, as it was first, and should be now, for it was never divided.” – Tecumseh

While the New Yorker may be changing the mainstream UWS paradigm with its publication of Munayyer’s excellent article, The New York Times remains firmly entrenched in Zionist talking points. An new editorial explicitly puts the blame for a hundred Palestinian deaths in Gaza on Hamas, rather than the bombs dropped and missiles fired by Israel. Many canards are repeated – Hamas has a nihilistic ideology of “hate”, it cares not about the deaths of Palestinian in Gaza, it resorts to violence, it “took control of Gaza in 2007 – all without even a pretense of actual fact-checking. No mention is made of Hamas winning a democratic election only to be blockaded and attacked. Naturally, no mention whatsoever is made of Hamas’ primary role as a much-needed social service organization, the actual timeline of recent events, of the historical context of occupation and siege and ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Unsurprisingly, the editors even throw in the requisite garbage about “the threat of Iran’s nuclear program” and Israel’s “right to defend itself.”

One can only assume that, had the Gray Lady begun publishing 40 years earlier than it actually did, scouring its archives for 1811-12 editorials would surely reveal its scathing contempt for the rhetoric and actions of Shawnee leader Tecumseh, who dared resist the ongoing white settlement, genocide and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. He would be the blood-thirsty one, while the soldiers under future-president William Henry Harrison’s command would be righteous defenders of white civilians, those inspired settlers who claim the land as their own and destroy the lives and livelihoods of the indigenous people.

History will not remember the New York Times editorial board fondly when equal rights and justice finally come to Palestine.

[American Dream]

On Refusal

Disrupting settler society, and avoiding fatalism, requires a two-fold recognition: of settler colonialism and Indigenous resurgence.

Destroying settler society, and allowing the rise of ethical relations, requires a two-fold active response: destroy the material and discursive foundations of settler colonialism and actively engage with Indigenous resurgence.

At times and in spaces, the destruction and active engagement are one in the same.

At other times and in other spaces, they are distinct.

II

In times and spaces of refusal, settlers must – we must – turn inwards.

This turn involves consistent attention to, and destruction of the monster inside each and everyone one of us.

There are no good settlers.

This turn also involves turning towards one another – our families, friends, and communities – and helping purge the monster that settles there, that is always attacking us or always looming to attack us, the monster that threatens the rise of ethical relations, of respectful and peaceful co-existence.

There are no bad settlers.

There are settlers.

Thus, to allow the rise of ethical relations, to “jumpstart the decolonial engine,” we must cut off our own heads.

Continues at: http://decolonization.wordpress.com/201 ... n-refusal/

[bluenoseclaret]

Gideon Levy..

"......People, and far from chosen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eptPeSmA ... r_embedded

Worth listening to..

[Elihu]

the modern state is supposed to be rational showing no favorites or partiality. ethnic/tribal/cultural programming (etc's for short) whatever their object are exclusionary. so what do we have when a state is pouring public money on a favored etc? the state takes on the nature of the etc it is favoring (actual internal cultural friction resulting from the inevitable cogdiss notwithstanding).

there is no legal or rational basis for the us to favor any etc in their disputes. yet a favorite exists. why? and why this one and this piece of real estate and not another? other cases with equal facts and circumstances exist. but this is a different discussion. from the point of view of an impartial state this means double standard. hipocrisy. with consequences.

This is a grossly ahistorical analysis. The U.S. has always played favorites- that is an integral part of the geopolitical strategy that brought it to it's current state of global hegemony.

it's not a historical analysis my race baiting aparatchnik friend. it's a contemporary observation. i'm merely suggesting that if we have a problem with extricating the iraeli ethnic tribal cultural programming we should start by cutting off their money and leaving it with the american taxpayers. or better yet, rescinding the mysterious money printing monopoly at someone's disposal with which they pay for the persecution you pretend to care so much about. i think that would be infinitely better than calling upon both societies to plead guilty and throw ourselves writ large upon the mercy of your council of alien dog-star jurists.

[American Dream]

the modern state is supposed to be rational showing no favorites or partiality. ethnic/tribal/cultural programming (etc's for short) whatever their object are exclusionary. so what do we have when a state is pouring public money on a favored etc? the state takes on the nature of the etc it is favoring (actual internal cultural friction resulting from the inevitable cogdiss notwithstanding).

there is no legal or rational basis for the us to favor any etc in their disputes. yet a favorite exists. why? and why this one and this piece of real estate and not another? other cases with equal facts and circumstances exist. but this is a different discussion. from the point of view of an impartial state this means double standard. hipocrisy. with consequences.

This is a grossly ahistorical analysis. The U.S. has always played favorites- that is an integral part of the geopolitical strategy that brought it to it's current state of global hegemony.

it's not a historical analysis my race baiting aparatchnik friend. it's a contemporary observation. i'm merely suggesting that if we have a problem with extricating the iraeli ethnic tribal cultural programming we should start by cutting off their money and leaving it with the american taxpayers. or better yet, rescinding the mysterious money printing monopoly at someone's disposal with which they pay for the persecution you pretend to care so much about. i think that would be infinitely better than calling upon both societies to plead guilty and throw ourselves writ large upon the mercy of your council of alien dog-star jurists.

As noted previously, most of the Zionists in the United States identify as Christian, not Jewish. That said, I am a long time supporter of SUSTAIN (Stop U.S. Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now) but I would go farther- as a US citizen, I'd like to see Unc Sam get out of the hegemony game, shut down the military bases all over the world, stop propping up all the torture states etc. etc.

It's not just Israel- it's not even mostly Israel- that is a racist myth...

[bluenoseclaret]

Cameron bound in servitude to Israel: Analyst

Whenever a Western leader expresses adoration and undying support for the Zionist regime, the Jewish Chronicle can be relied on to make the most of it. This week it reports on UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s Chanucah/Hanukkah reception in Downing Street when he lit a menorah with the Chief Rabbi.

According to the JC, Cameron took the opportunity to say he didn’t have much faith in the interim nuclear agreement struck with Iran.

He told assembled Jewish leaders: “I know there will be great skepticism, I know there will be great worry. I share that skepticism, I share that worry. I don’t have any starry-eyed view of what this Iranian regime offers.”

He went on to announce: “I am with you and with the Israeli people, genuinely. As far as I’m concerned, an enemy of Israel is an enemy of mine. A threat to Israel is a threat to us all.

“I can promise you this: Britain will stand with Israel, Britain will support Israel, Britain will keep the pressure up on Iran. We do not want you to have a nuclear-armed near-neighbor, a nuclear threat facing your country… We share that feeling and show you our solidarity.”

Who on earth is he speaking for? Has he consulted the British people on this pledge of servitude to the criminal Zionist project? Was it in his election manifesto? This isn’t the first time Cameron has ‘mis-spoken’. He does it regularly.

And why has he got it in for Iran, which has no nuclear weapons and is no threat to us? Shouldn’t he instead be saying to Iran: “We share your anxiety about having a nuclear armed neighbor like Israel, with its 400 warheads, menacing your country. You have our solidarity.”

Cameron is a self-declared Zionist and, from his various remarks, thinks nothing of putting Israel’s interests, no matter how unlawful and menacing, ahead of the UK’s and allowing us to be drawn into conflict with Israel’s enemies such as Iran and Syria.

No respectable nation can operate a foreign policy on such a twisted basis. How many more of our young men have to shed blood, limbs and life to serve the foolish ambitions, ill-advised friendships and private commitments of our politicians?

Hysterical Iran-bashing

The ludicrous idea that Iran is the enemy was spouted several years ago by Liam Fox while Shadow Secretary of State for Defence: “We must remember that in the battle for the values that we stand for - for democracy against theocracy, for democratic liberal values against repression - Israel’s enemies are our enemies and this is a battle in which we all stand together or we will all fall divided.”

After Cameron appointed him Defence Secretary, Fox came to grief over the scandal of his close relationship with Adam Werritty, his so-called adviser. It was revealed that Werrity, among other misdeeds, had been involved in secret meetings with Mossad agents for the purpose of enlisting British support for an Israeli attack on Iran.

By no stretch of the imagination is Iran an enemy of the British people, but could soon be if Cameron and his foreign secretary William Hague persist with economic sanctions that needlessly hurt the Iranian people and inflict the kind of suffering heaped upon Iraq’s women and children for 12 years before we bombed them to hell and back. Is that what they are trying to engineer?

Israel, as people are beginning to realise, has a vast nuclear arsenal, won’t sign the non-proliferation treaty (but Iran has done so) and won’t submit to UN inspection and safeguards.

Moreover Cameron is comfortable about rewarding Israel for its crimes against humanity. He even provides a safe haven for its criminals, contrary to the UK’s solemn obligation under the Geneva Conventions.

Cameron’s senior partner in the UK government’s hysterical Iran-bashing campaign, William Hague, has been an avid admirer of Israel since his schooldays. In 2011, in a keynote address on the theme ‘Sixty Years of British-Israeli Diplomatic Relations’, Hague said the UK’s relationship with Israel went far beyond the realm of diplomatic relations. “It is based on bonds between families and communities as well as shared values and common interests…This Government is firmly opposed to those who seek to deligitimise Israel, and… we are firmly opposed to boycotts…“

His speech included the usual attempt to demonize Iran. “Iran’s treatment of its own people, as well as its attitude to Israel and posturing in the region show that it would be a disaster to let Iran acquire nuclear weapons.”

He omitted to mention the hundreds of nuclear warheads at the fingertips of Israel’s delinquent leaders. “Iran should therefore not doubt the resolve of the international community to address the concerns about its nuclear program…

And whose fault is that?

Is aiding and defending a belligerent foreign entity, land thief and serial abuser of human rights a listed policy in the Conservative Party manifesto? No. It is a private agenda for which Hague and Cameron have no popular mandate. And is terrorizing Iranian civilians with economic ruination, just for the hell of it (or because Israel wants it), Conservative policy? Well, I suppose it must be, otherwise Hague and Cameron would have been slapped down.

A friend dubbed the pair ‘Agent’ Cameron and ‘Agent’ Hague and the names have stuck. We can see why.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/12/05 ... to-israel/

A question....

Why are 80% of Conservative MPs members of the Conservative Friends of Israel?

Another question

Is it time.....for a one state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.?

[American Dream]

Let's fight against Settler Colonialism. neo-Imperialism etc.- in Palestine/Israel andall over the Earth.

Let's clearly repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too- against Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others...