MayDay » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:52 pm wrote:... no, Cuda, I'm not parroting things I've read online. I almost exclusively rely on RI when I'm looking into world events, and I've been avoiding this thread religously.
I appologize for the name of the first video. I was moving way too fast this morning.
So, then, where did you happen across this video? It's not featured anywhere else o the board. There are hundreds of iterations of the Robbie Parker speech available to view, most of which can be found through a search for his name on der Tube. Perhaps it came up in the sidebar when you were watching another video, though, and you figured, "I'll just click on this video called, 'THE MOST TOTALLY EVIL MURDERING FUCK TO EVER DISGRACE THE DIRT OF THE PLANET', because I'm sure that will offer a nice objective viewpoint of the event, and that way I can make up my own mind about what went on without being exposed to someone else's biases."
Or something like that. Now...
See how I can lazily sit here, probably hundreds of miles away from wherever you are, and make little meaningless judgements regarding your mindset and point-of-view without knowing anything about you, based entirely upon what you almost certainly view as a totally innocent action on your part? See that? Now look at what you're doing here...
MayDay » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:52 pm wrote:Upon reflection and some much needed discussion with my closest friends I've realized that the parents in question are probably just reacting as a sociopath would in this type of situation. It's easy to know for a fact that so many at that income level are incapable of loving, but difficult to really come to terms with what it looks like when it's staring you in the face.
Thanks for your answer. Good enough. I tell you this sincerely: I don't want to hurt your feelings. I would ask how long the Parkers lived in the area, but this is a difficult, emotional, volatile, unbelievably sad event that we are discussing - even for me - thousands of miles away, and I don't want to make anyone's loss more hurtful.
To me, thousands of miles away, Sandy Hook reminds me of so many of the other media extravaganzas I have scutinized over the years. I, myself, posted that video on one of the early pages of this thread. It bothered me a lot... If Robbie was acting, he certainly blew it... While I can understand that he may have reacted uniquely to the pressure of speaking on live TV about the horrible loss of his beautiful little daughter, surely you must see why his sincerity is being questioned. I had to consider the possibility that, whether the families are aware of it or not, they are being used to achieve an agenda??
Oddly enough, This crazy little video struck a tiny little chord that resonated with my past interpretation of the video above, FWIW.
"Who released CNN outtakes of Gene Rosen and Robbie Parker? Why?"
"They are taunting you... demonizing conspiracy theorists... villifying the research community", painting anyone who questions the official story as crazy."
Laws limiting freedom of speech will be passed to "protect the victims."
People who are awake have to behave rationally. There are a lot of anomalies. A lot! Don't fall for the traps that have been laid.
No one cried for the 179 children killed by US drones.
"High tech version of Nazi Germany is hiding behind the curtain... Government has legalized torture, removed habeas corpus, initiated renditions, built detention centers, and is now in the process of disarming the people - while heavily arming themselves. Everything is ready for a takeover of the nation."
"All they need to do to succeed is takes the arms away from the people. Truly, the easiest way to take the arms is through conflict. If the people iniate conflict against the government, then they will have their arms taken from them. That's the thing. But if (we) can first step forward - eloquently, politely, but firmly to restore the republic, and put this spirit of America back into the hearts of the people, and back into the hearts of the population, then if it does come down to the wire, (we) have a real possibility of succeeded.
"The government is in the process of stealing the country. There is a coup taking place, my friends. People just aren't noticing, but there is a coup! The United States of America is being stolen - right now! It is a coup that is being run with the complicity of the media. They are absolutely complicit in this. In fact, they are playing major part; which shows you just how controlled the mainstream media is - because there is no objective discussion about this. It's blanket accross the board, take the guns, villify anybody who says anything against it. That's what the media is promoting. And the United States of America is teetering on the brink of oblivion."
Juz' wanna be clear - I shalt not revisit this. Been there, done that, and would rather ruminate more positive things.
Completely unrelated synch. Just noticed this movie showing up at NRK.no (Norwegian "BBC") at the same time as the Sandy Hook anniversary (Watch the first two minutes. Movie is called Orion's Belt):
"I only read American. I want my fantasy pure." - Dave
You're welcome, chump. I'm unable to view videos at home. I'll have more to offer after I've viewed the videos sometime this week. coffin_dodger, likewise.
For what purpose would such an event, the gruesome murders of 20 children and six school teachers that took place one year ago yesterday at Sandy Hook Elementary School and the perpetrators suicide afterward and his mother's murder before, at his home, serve? And who could possibly do this in the town where one of the largest gun organizations in the world is located? Cui bono?
Please explain this. The paranoid ranting disguised as conspiracy theory is nothing more than gun lobby rhetoric meant to drive firearms sales. Radical right fear mongering. "Get you guns before 'they' come to get them from you!"
I've said it before, there is no benefit to our government from this. During this past year 23 states relaxed their liberal gun laws while 20 states strengthened their gun regulations, which many have been wrongly told is an infringement upon their 2nd A rights. Scalia writing the court opinion in Heller reasserted government's right to regulate firearms.
The "government" certainly doesn't need such an event to confiscate your weapons, they could do that any time they chose to. And that's what makes the complaint against registration seem foolish to me.
Who is the mystery agent that you claim has committed this atrocity, if you believe it wasn't the government? Who's organized 'coup' is it? Does this supposed coup have a coup master, some Dr. Evil hiding in the shadows? (My apologies to our Dr. Evil)
[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=528896#p528896]MayDay » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:52 pm wrote:Upon reflection and some much needed discussion with my closest friends I've realized that the parents in question are probably just reacting as a sociopath would in this type of situation. It's easy to know for a fact that so many at that income level are incapable of loving, but difficult to really come to terms with what it looks like when it's staring you in the face.
Matthew 7.1, mofo.[/quote]
Not gonna look, but I'm guessing your refering to the verse "judge not lest ye shall be judged". I'm sure the Sociopatholigarchy would endorse this.
Once again, I appologize for the version of the video that ended up in my post. I had 6 different versions open at once, and intended to post the least offensively named version I'd found. The version I originally intended to post was entitled "should I read the card?'", which is, according to some, what Robbie Parker says while approaching the media. By the time I realized my mistake, you'd already sensed the bloodied waters and came swooping in for the kill, barracuda.
Iamwhomiam » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:31 am wrote: For what purpose would such an event, the gruesome murders of 20 children and six school teachers that took place one year ago yesterday at Sandy Hook Elementary School and the perpetrators suicide afterward and his mother's murder before, at his home, serve? And who could possibly do this in the town where one of the largest gun organizations in the world is located? Cui bono?
Thanks for the useless repition of the "facts" that we all "know". Repeat ad infinitum until it's 'true', so they say.
Who could possibly do this? Who could possibly believe that hundreds of intelligence community spooks could be living together in their own little secret enclaves? That's preposterous, right?
Please explain this. The paranoid ranting disguised as conspiracy theory is nothing more than gun lobby rhetoric meant to drive firearms sales. Radical right fear mongering. "Get you guns before 'they' come to get them from you!"
I've said it before, there is no benefit to our government from this. During this past year 23 states relaxed their liberal gun laws while 20 states strengthened their gun regulations, which many have been wrongly told is an infringement upon their 2nd A rights. Scalia writing the court opinion in Heller reasserted government's right to regulate firearms.
Maybe that's a part of the plan. Looking at gun sales following the Aurora shooting, and other similair shootings, one could say that the gun industry is well aware that these mass shootings are good for buisiness. Legislation passed since Sandy Hook has been mostly pro gun, btw.
The "government" certainly doesn't need such an event to confiscate your weapons, they could do that any time they chose to. And that's what makes the complaint against registration seem foolish to me.
You obviously don't know the sort of red necks I grew up with.
Who is the mystery agent that you claim has committed this atrocity, if you believe it wasn't the government? Who's organized 'coup' is it? Does this supposed coup have a coup master, some Dr. Evil hiding in the shadows? (My apologies to our Dr. Evil)
If we knew that, we wouldn't need RI, would we? If you want motives that aren't invented by bigoted right wing nuts, take a look at the video coffindodger posted.
MayDay » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:21 am wrote:Not gonna look, but I'm guessing your refering to the verse "judge not lest ye shall be judged". I'm sure the Sociopatholigarchy would endorse this.
The common sense embodied in the quote isn't really designed to reward you with a nice, comfortable life, brother. Sorry about that. Like many worthwhile perspectives, it's meant to take you out of your thoughtless everyday mindset and cause you to look at your own behavior, something most people simply wish to avoid.
But I get it. People see events like this and search for meaning where there simply may be none. They're scared and confused, they feel powerless and frustrated. So they turn their anger on the most visible, most vulnerable individuals within their line of sight: the victims. It's a familiar dynamic of abuse.
This is the recipe by which poor, grieving schmucks like Robbie Parker and his wife are transformed by fear into the world's greatest unknown television actors, enmeshed in a huge, powerful conspiracy involving hundreds of persons, the purpose of which is to take away the one thing you think might be keeping you and your family safe: your gun.
Once again, I appologize for the version of the video that ended up in my post. I had 6 different versions open at once, and intended to post the least offensively named version I'd found. The version I originally intended to post was entitled "should I read the card?'", which is, according to some, what Robbie Parker says while approaching the media. By the time I realized my mistake, you'd already sensed the bloodied waters and came swooping in for the kill, barracuda.
It was no mistake. You made your perspective on Mr. Parker pretty clear, video title notwithstanding. The sheer personal terror required to label the father of a butchered child "the most evil man alive" (all caps) is truly a nightmarish thing, and all based on the simple mechanism of a misplaced nervous smile.
And I didn't really come swooping in for the kill, bro. If you check the previous page of the thread, you might remember that you decided (pretty much out of nowhere) it would be fun to insult me with an offhand throwaway comment (about a post I made a year ago) by inferring I might have a mental health issue because I was reticent to label the father of one of the butchered six-year-olds a child murderer. But apparently you've already forgotten that little moment we shared together.
Who's really exhibiting the sociopathic tendencies here, MayDay? Check yourself.
"All they need to do to succeed is takes the arms away from the people. Truly, the easiest way to take the arms is through conflict. If the people iniate conflict against the government, then they will have their arms taken from them. That's the thing. But if (we) can first step forward - eloquently, politely, but firmly to restore the republic, and put this spirit of America back into the hearts of the people, and back into the hearts of the population, then if it does come down to the wire, (we) have a real possibility of succeeded.
Lord help us. "Restore the republic"?? The "spirit of America"?? What drivel. Cut me a break. The government doesn't give a piss about your gun collection, dude. Get real.
coffin_dodger wrote:
Presented for interest - neither endorsed, nor renounced.
There should be a silent understanding that if you post commentary like this, it has to be at least at, or, preferably, above the intellectual and rhetorical level of the member posting it to the discussion. I've seen my cat offer a more incisive analytical response to a situation than I'm getting from this person. Even you're not this dense, coffin_dodger. Just watching it I feel dumber. Here's a randomly chosen money quote from Sofia Smallstorm (there are many):
"Look at the disparity in the hands: Soto's hand is like a paw, with blurring to extend the sleeve. Hands are very, very hard to fake, they have so many small bones and folds of flesh that even the painters of old had to make them simple and smooth. The hand on the other side, belonging to Ann Marie Murphy, is better, but if you look at the pixellation, even that isn't right."
"Hands are hard to fake." That's your takeaway. This piece of dialog could easily have been lifted from an instructional presentation by Ren Höek.
The words on the page don't really do justice to the actual presentation of them on the video, though. To fully experience the magic, you need to hear Ms. Smallstorm's blank, monotonous delivery as she reads text from her computer. It's just enthralling. ee..ven..thee..pain..ters..of..old
I recommend watching the whole thing, if you have absolutely no concern at all about how you spend your time. Personally, I just left the volume up while degreasing an old crankset. Even at that, I only lasted about half an hour. At some point it wasn't even funny anymore. Just pitiful.
And I didn't really come swooping in for the kill, bro. If you check the previous page of the thread, you might remember that you decided (pretty much out of nowhere) it would be fun to insult me with an offhand throwaway comment (about a post I made a year ago) by inferring I might have a mental health issue because I was reticent to label the father of one of the butchered six-year-olds a child murderer. But apparently you've already forgotten that little moment we shared together.
I've been watching you do your thing for 8 years now, uh... bro-dog. This didn't come out of nowhere. I am not inferring that you have mental health problems, simply that you are displaying signs that you aren't a people person- not the sort who 'gets' the subtleties of human behaviour and nonverbal communication. On the other hand, I freely admit that I'm nuerotic mess much of the time, so I don't see where youre going with this.
The Damned Story: Opened in 1931 to help alleviate the overcrowding at other state mental hospitals, Fairfield Hills housed “mentally ill” (aka “the criminally insane”) patients from across the state. Built on over 770 bucolic acres, the 16 buildings — all connected by underground tunnels — were home to over 4,000 patients when filled to capacity. Like many of its patients, Fairfield Hills projected an outward image that seemed quite pleasing; what was happening inside behind closed doors and out of the public eye, however, was much darker and disturbing.
As you might expect, Fairfield Hills was like many hospitals in how the mentally ill were treated — with electric shock therapy, hydrotherapy, psychosurgery and frontal lobotomies, as well as a few suicides and “mysterious” deaths. Stories of abuse and cruelty were rampant. In short, it wasn’t a happy-smiley, fluffy-kitty and shiny-rainbow type of place.
With less and less patients being treated there, Fairfield Hills was closed by the state in 1995. And that’s when it seems the troubles began.
Because of its classic stately hospital look (red brick buildings, tall white columns, etc.), and its long, cruel history, it was used as a setting for the movie Sleepers as well as for MTV’s “Fear.” And as any abandoned mental hospital that’s been on TV will do, it’s brought a bevvy of paranormal investigators, psychics, abandoned-site explorers and other trouble seekers, who have claimed to have found evidence of hauntings, although no specific ghost/spirit/story is synonymous with the place.
Old hospital, underground tunnels, cruel history — must be haunted, right? Right? As with many hauntings, no definitive proof or evidence, just a lot of odd experiences and unusual claims.
If you’re interested in reading more, there’s an interesting site — fairfieldhills.com — that seems to have a lot of history of the site, along with numerous images, plus interviews with former employees and patients.
Our Damned Experience: Are the Hills alive with the sound of patients past? We have yet to be checked in for an examination.
If You Go: After so much national exposure, Fairfield Hills has drawn a little too much interest from aspiring paranormal groups and locals just looking to get into trouble, so the town of Newtown now actively and stridently patrols and enforces the “No Trespassing” rules, and are very quick to arrest. So don’t go.
MayDay » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:42 am wrote:I am not inferring that you have mental health problems, simply that you are displaying signs that you aren't a people person- not the sort who 'gets' the subtleties of human behaviour and nonverbal communication.
…says the guy who labelled Robbie Parker a cold, callous, lying child-killer on the basis of a smile he saw on a youtube video. Such a level of personal insight. You deep, man.
MayDay wrote:...I freely admit that I'm nuerotic mess much of the time,so I don't see where youre going with this.
Your personal neuroses aren't a great excuse for accusing someone of killing their children on no evidence, that's where I'm going.
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Published 7:00 pm, Monday, February 9, 2004 Newtown students mourn classmate A family member found Hunt's body in his bedroom at around 10:30 a.m. on Wednesday. How he died remains unknown. The state medical examiner's office in Farmington performed an autopsy on Feb. 5, but the cause of death won't be released until officials get results from toxicology tests. Hunt's family said there were no obvious signs of foul play. They were also adamant that the teen was not a drug user. "It's a mystery," Hunt's father, Dennis, said Monday. "It was not Matthew's time to go and there was nothing terribly wrong. He was extremely happy and all these things were coming together for him." Hunt lived in Newtown with his grandmother, Ruth, who last saw him alive Tuesday night when they moved furniture together. Hunt's mother, Theresa Boyle, lives in Danbury. Hunt had spent most of last Tuesday with his girlfriend, Sable Stevens, a 16-year-old junior at Newtown High School. In an interview, Stevens said they had gone to the Salvation Army to look for a used computer monitor for Hunt. They returned to his Bennetts Bridge Road house and cleaned his room. The two were preparing a Web site together, called FairfieldHills.com. It was meant to be a collection of photographs and essays about the history of the former psychiatric hospital in Newtown. Stevens said Hunt drove her home at about 8:30 p.m. "He was really happy and really positive," she said. Hunt's father, who flew up from his residence in Florida on Sunday, said Matthew came home and helped his grandmother move furniture. Stevens said Hunt's grandmother knocked on Matthew's locked bedroom door Wednesday morning. When there was no answer, another relative climbed through a window from outside the house and found the body. "He had no serious illness or any other difficulties or anything. We have no idea what happened," Dennis Hunt said. Matthew Hunt was supposed to have graduated from Newtown High School in June 2003. But his father said he was in a car accident last year that caused him to miss classes. He didn't have the credits needed to graduate and enrolled again as a senior in September. However, Hunt withdrew from the school before Christmas, Sable said. He had enrolled in night classes and was planning to get his diploma that way. He had worked previously at Wal-Mart but was unemployed as of last week. Sable dated Hunt for two years and said he had a big heart. "He'd meet people for the first time at a subway station and they'd have a conversation about anything," she said. "He could just connect with them somehow." Students set up a small memorial in one of the display cases near the front entrance of the high school. There are several photographs of Hunt and friends getting ready to go to proms. "He was just a really cool kid. He was never mean to anybody," said Emily Johnson, 16. "Matt was an extremely gentle, kind student," said Newtown High School Principal William Manfredonia. "He was well-liked and he was probably one of the most compassionate students I've run across." Anonymous postings on a Newtown Internet message board fueled drug-related rumors surrounding Hunt's death. Sable said one reason for the gathering scheduled for 2 p.m. today at the high school is to dispel those rumors. Both Sable and Hunt's father said he did not have a drug problem. "There was no addiction. He was home here with his grandmother moving furniture," his father said. Sable said Hunt was taking a prescribed pain killer, Percocet, to treat recurring back problems related to last year's car accident. Hunt's father said his son had an interest in technology and digital photography. He designed Web pages and had plans to go to college. "This wasn't a situation where he wasn't happy. That is one of the few things that I can gain comfort from. He was happy," Dennis Hunt said. Hunt's funeral is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Thursday at St. Rose of Lima Church on Church Hill Road in Newtown. Contact Eugene Driscoll at edriscoll@newstimes.com or at (203) 426-3711.
As my father lay in a coma for two weeks, dying, our large family gathered every day in his hospital room. The nurses said they'd never heard so much laughter coming out of an intensive care room. And his barely-alive, grotesquely gaunt body, propped up in a bed, was not a pretty scene. I was expected to speak at his funeral, and I opened my remarks with a joke. You could feel the whole room relax in the ripples of laughter.
Now, the death of a middle-aged father isn't the same as experiencing the death a very young daughter, but I'd say that if that Robbie hadn't taken those deep breaths before going on the microphone, he was likely to just burst out in tears. That's what I see, for what it's worth.
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