The peoples voice.

[slimmouse]

I keep looking at your replies in the hope that you might surprise our community by making a few comments on the content, which is the whole idea of the thread. We must all live in hope.

In the words of Mr Icke " The information is the star". This was spoken last week, not written 20 years ago.

So, here we are ,270 posts into a thread in which you have probably got the second largest number of posts, and stil not a single mention of the content, AD? You clearly arent acting in any good faith in any way. Thats not even very slippery. Its fukn obvious.

Nuff said really. Troll.

[Searcher08]

My opinion... is that if the entire management committee of the BDS / PSC appeared on TPV, that AD still would not watch it - he has a different worldview than you, one where TPV = Goebbels-Lite.

My thoughts are that you(slim) and I are very much in the "I pretty much read / watch anything by anyone and make my own mind up and as long as there is good content in there, keep it coming, shit and all"... Which ironically is the style used by AD as a content provider in the TIDS thread... so there appears to be a contradiction there...

I check in on rense as the place where the most up to date and broadest 'alternative' news seems to surface. I don't listen to his interviews as I find them... depressing / bleak. I am quite aware that lots of people really dislike him. Am also happy to graze on PressTV and RT as well. So fucking what?

To take to one extreme, if there was a PedoTV / Nazi-Lite TV that did some great programmes, does one support them?
To take to another extreme, a thought-police approach and adopt an 'Approval Designated' list of only those sources one may 'correctly' watch is a great example of turning into the thing one hates...


Content:
I think TPV is an interesting model. I watched the program on the Holographic Universe and came away with some thoughts -
It seems very difficult to translate deep physics and mathematics into a broadcast medium, in a way that gives useful principles or useful take-aways for daily life. For example, the first guest came across to me as flaky in the extreme and being very analogical in his thought process - for example in talking about Akashic Records as a given... I thought this was getting into 'quantum mysticism' territory; it was rescued by the second guest, she was very clear and bridged the gap between science and 'so what?' much better than the interviewer herself.

Research
I did some research on the H.U. theory on Wiki - and found that a lot of it had been exterminated by pseudoskeptics. Appalling groupthink and selective standards. I have not read Talbot's book, but it looks like a good resource on the subject.

Mee-jah
The degree of conditioning that TPV can expose in the viewer is considerable and uncomfortable - for example around dress, voice and weight/body type and presentation of presenters. I want presenters who look great, exude feistyness and compassion in equal measure and engage with me - Abby Martin from RT, rather than 'Meet the Kumars at N0. 42'.
It was verging into 'Wayne's World' level of production values.

[American Dream]

It would be a worthwhile project to do an ongoing monitoring of "The People's Voice" and to track the evolution of the poison in that poison pill as things develop. Just those names David Icke and Ken O'Keefe alone are grounds for endless research, not to mention the documentation of sketchy guests like Kollerstrom on the Richie Allen show.

No doubt there will be an endless parade of questionable characters appearing as time goes on and although the faith of true believers such as slim will likely never waver, it may nonetheless be enlightening to the rest of us to expose the shady side of it all- and then to see who does or doesn't show even a glimmer of critical consciousness towards the more horrific aspects of the whole production...

[slimmouse]

It would be a worthwhile project to do an ongoing monitoring of "The People's Voice" and to track the evolution of the poison in that poison pill as things develop. Just those names David Icke and Ken O'Keefe alone are grounds for endless research, not to mention the documentation of sketchy guests like Kollerstrom on the Richie Allen show.

No doubt there will be an endless parade of questionable characters appearing as time goes on and although the faith of true believers such as slim will likely never waver, it may nonetheless be enlightening to the rest of us to expose the shady side of it all- and then to see who does or doesn't show even a glimmer of critical consciousness towards the more horrific aspects of the whole production...

Well, if I wanted anyones opinion on the quote "more horriffic aspects of the whole production", then you AD, would surely be the last person that anyone should consult, given what you've seen of it.

But dont let that worry you will you. Bathwater and baby all head in the same direction where youre concerned.

[Searcher08]

It would be a worthwhile project to do an ongoing monitoring of "The People's Voice" and to track the evolution of the poison in that poison pill as things develop. Just those names David Icke and Ken O'Keefe alone are grounds for endless research, not to mention the documentation of sketchy guests like Kollerstrom on the Richie Allen show.

No doubt there will be an endless parade of questionable characters appearing as time goes on and although the faith of true believers such as slim will likely never waver, it may nonetheless be enlightening to the rest of us to expose the shady side of it all- and then to see who does or doesn't show even a glimmer of critical consciousness towards the more horrific aspects of the whole production...

I see a contradiction between the attitude you show in this post towards people who make their own mind up about TPV versus your attitude as a 'content provider' in the TIDS thread, where you post interesting stuff (with the clear and repeated disclaimer that you personally don't have to agree with all of it, but that others may find it interesting).

All of your thinking on the subject is driven by a deep metaphor of it 'being poison'

No doubt there will be an endless parade of questionable characters appearing as time goes on
* Really? Have you access to the broadcast schedules? How can you assert this?
'Questionable' according to whom? To you?? On what criteria?
Are Norman Finklestein and Russell Brand now 'questionable' as well?


and although the faith of true believers such as slim will likely never waver,
** Faith in what? 'True believer' is a perjorative term - based on what?


it may nonetheless be enlightening to the rest of us
** This is 'sleight of mouth' - you slipped in the phrase 'rest of us' in a way that implies an 'Us vs Them' in existence and them slim is in the 'Them'.


to expose the shady side of it all
- and then to see who does or doesn't show even a glimmer of critical consciousness towards the more horrific aspects of the whole production...
** Case-making - assumes there IS a shady side of it all already.
This is classic Confirmation Bias.

Where is YOUR critical reflective thinking on YOUR thinking process, AD?

[American Dream]

I think it's fair to say that there is poison in David Icke's universe and that there are nonetheless true believers. I'm also giving ten to one odds that a parade of problematic people will continue to come down the pike.

I'm sticking to the "poison pill" metaphor too: that some people saying some things that are ok sometimes might make the poison go down easier but if poison is there, I'm going to say something. And I do think there will be a fundamental difference between those of us who are true believers and those of us who are not in how open we will be to looking at the negative aspects of TPV-TV.

[seemslikeadream]

you are what you perceive..... AD

[slimmouse]

Searcher, thanks for your input on the content, and general thoughts on the show.

I will possibly never get the opportunity to listen to a continuously extended viewing of the station, because the internet is generally dire around here, which means I resort to recordings from you tube. I dont know how many other people who are tuning into the station experience this. Not that I'd probably want to listen to more that a couple of hours at once,- just sayin.

Yes, we'd all adore gorgeous, professionally groomed and experienced presenters.

But as Ive repeated before, its the information according to Icke thats important, and on this particular issue, I fully agree with him.

AD, I breifly considered splattering a few TPV and more positive Icke videos into your epic threads.

But I didnt because I believe in doing unto others as I would have them do unto me. And I dont particularly like somebody doing that to me.

Like you reminded me earlier,( if only with a far more spurious example), two wrongs dont make a right.

Meanwhile, do you ever consider how many "rights" it requires to make up for a wrong?

I doubt it, but like I always say, Its your ride, Bro.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Nuff said really. Troll.

Perhaps too much said, really.

Let us refrain from crossing these clearly delineated lines. Thank you.

[slimmouse]

Nuff said really. Troll.

Perhaps too much said, really.

Let us refrain from crossing these clearly delineated lines. Thank you.

OK WR, fair enough. If I violated the boards definition of a troll, then apologies where due.


Meanwhile , at some point I plan on posting a compedium of TPV recordings, probably in the data dump, since I believe the information contained within is pretty fucking important most of the time. I hope you trust my judgement on that. If not, when you watch, post the video in the "general dscussion" board, and lets talk about it?

If anyone else has any opinions on the content of these videos, then maybe they can start a thread about it here. Often these videos will intesect with other threads currently in use, and as such are useful as a cross reference.

Otherwise, in the Data Dump , its TPV content videos or nothing.

I obviously would have no objection to AD starting a counter thread about "the poison that is the peoples voice".

We keep our threads our own domain, so to speak.

In other words, let people make up their own minds up is what I say. Because if they get the chance to examine all the information, many people will make up their own minds.

And until enough do, in the diminishing time left available , then Im afraid its going to be much of the same in this world, only more intensified, - and pretty damned soon IMHO.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Well, I won't get into the nitty gritty of media production, but my earlier critique hasn't been budged much by subsequent viewings of TPV material. Suffice it to say:

1. There is no broadcast infrastructure whatsoever beyond streaming video, and
2. That streaming video is low-res and clearly being run on publically available screencast & video software.

Having set up several "web broadcasts" for events at work in the past year, where we were broadcasting economic conferences in WDC to users quite literally around the world, none of this represents technological sophistication beyond the reach of a smart 15 year old who can do server-side setup and scripting...wait, I said no nitty, nor gritty, my bad.

So.

What that means in terms of the final content is that there are a lot of poor quality videos featuring the inevitably meandering and somewhat circular conversations of earnest amateur researchers . This represents a fantastic primary source, to be sure.

I would hesitate to call it news, though. The burden is still wholly upon the viewer to generate a summary, a clear overview, a context, an order to the embarrassment of random riches that this mounting video archives represent.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Well...unless of course, your overall context is already encapsulated in "the truth shall set you free" and "the biggest secret"... Then it's all just grist to confirm what you already "know."

[slimmouse]

Well, I won't get into the nitty gritty of media production, but my earlier critique hasn't been budged much by subsequent viewings of TPV material. Suffice it to say:

1. There is no broadcast infrastructure whatsoever beyond streaming video, and
2. That streaming video is low-res and clearly being run on publically available screencast & video software.

Having set up several "web broadcasts" for events at work in the past year, where we were broadcasting economic conferences in WDC to users quite literally around the world, none of this represents technological sophistication beyond the reach of a smart 15 year old who can do server-side setup and scripting...wait, I said no nitty, nor gritty, my bad.

So.

What that means in terms of the final content is that there are a lot of poor quality videos featuring the inevitably meandering and somewhat circular conversations of earnest amateur researchers . This represents a fantastic primary source, to be sure.

I would hesitate to call it news, though. The burden is still wholly upon the viewer to generate a summary, a clear overview, a context, an order to the embarrassment of random riches that this mounting video archives represent.

Hey WR, thanks for that earnest critique. On the broadcasting side, Ive always understood that this is probably their most vulnerable point.

All the content Ive seen thus far however has been of a decent quality to someone who considers most of the information that TPV delivers. I see much of this as flesh on the bones so to speak.

My overall message is the same as I gave to Searcher. A lot of what TPV is telling the likes of you and me may well be nothing particularly "newswortty", because we know most of it already.

But it sure as fuck will be news to some, if they can bring themselves to face it.

The Peoples Voice. I actually think that overall, it does what it says on the tin.

[slimmouse]

WARNING - .VIDEO CONTAINS FUNDRAISING CONTENT.



(Which is why I havent posted any link.)

However, I think watching this short video (7 mins) might dispel a few myths, that both exist, and may in future be on their way, about TPV, hopefully including the Idea that this station is some kind of mouthpiece for David Icke, when what it actually is, is what it says on the tin.

Its The Peoples Voice. For those of us who either want the opportunity to speak it, or at least feel that we really need it .

And WR, if youre reading this, and elect to watch, "team TPV" created what youre about to see for half a million bucks, including a long term lease on a property, staff , show production and all the rest of it.

Cant say that I'm neccesarily surprised by what theyve done. Nonetheless I still consider it pretty impressive.

[slimmouse]

Heres a short interview with Ritchie Allen, and two UK anti fracking campaigners.

Hardly surprising that no representatives from the Government or industry had the fortitude to appear on the show to defend their actions. Sign of the times I guess.

As is the fact that having been excluded from participating in this activity in their own country, the French Oil giant TOTAL, has made a short hop across the English channel, where the practise has met with the endorsement of our elected representatives, who appear to have no problem with their constituents having their land invaded and potentially poisoning them.