Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:03 pm

JackRiddler » 25 Jan 2014 22:54 wrote:Whereas I invite you to do yourself a favor and kill yourself tonight.


Sounds like a vaguely concealed plan for the denialist.

I aint denying anything, and to be honest , when it comes to "death" I really dont care, as long as I gave it my best shot.

How about you ?

Do you ever begin to understand how much of both a bully and a fool you sound to most of us here?

Not that Im picking on yourself of course.,

Theres a lot of it about.

Have a look at the world , JACK
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:22 pm

I probably would be a bully and a fool, to stay in a fight with the armless, legless and, miraculously, headless Black Knight. You keep wiggling that torso at me, okay?
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:26 pm

JackRiddler » 25 Jan 2014 23:22 wrote:I probably would be a bully and a fool, to stay in a fight with the armless, legless and, miraculously, headless Black Knight. You keep wiggling that torso at me, okay?


OK Jack,

So here I am ( not to mention the rest of us) all armless and legless, fighting a system that is lying to us and shafting us all as we speak.

How does that go down in your particular space?
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:35 pm

JackRiddler » 25 Jan 2014 23:22 wrote:I probably would be a bully and a fool, to stay in a fight with the armless, legless and, miraculously, headless Black Knight. You keep wiggling that torso at me, okay?



I understand that it probably makes people like yourself feel good.

All that said, you cant run away from yourself.

At least from my own thinking of "stuff"

Get another job Jack.

On edit. Im glad I caught that Ridllerism prior to it sinking into non-existence. The post has gone.
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:43 pm

You aren't fighting shit. Your claiming this demeans the very concept of "fight." Insofar as you can even express yourself in words, which must be very hard for you, you promote an ideology of stupidity, helplessness, confusion, with no relation to the real-world system or the struggle against it. It would be too much to call what you push around here an opiate of the people, since it's more like glue sniffing. (David Icke is the glue sniffing of the people, have I coined a new Marx quote?) You might as well be pushing an apocalypse Jesus, like the earnest Jehovah's I saw today on the snowy streets, for all the good it does. The system demands more morons like you.

If I were the guys advocating the bullshit theses of this thread's OP, who are pretty dumb but light-years ahead of you, I'd seek distance from you, since you lower even their collective IQ by at least a quarter. They're just smart enough to know that, but just stubborn enough not to break ranks with you. You're what the self-respecting conspiracy culture would really rather have stay in its closet. I'd say you were an impediment to an improvement in the level of thinking around here, except of course that the endogenous factors that keep this board and the self-designated conspiracy culture perpetually circling the drain are already over-determined, independently of the hostiles who also attack it. Maybe you are one of the hostiles, actually, but I doubt that. A hostile would get bored once in a while and try to strike a different note. Jehovah's to the bone, if I may stick with that metaphor.
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby Nordic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:49 pm

Hey Jack Ass.

What part of this:

"During an hour-long session in front of the home affairs select committee, Rusbridger also: • Said the Guardian had consulted government officials and intelligence agencies – including the FBI, GCHQ, the White House and the Cabinet Office – on more than 100 occasions before the publication of stories."

Do you not FUCKING understand?

Go kill yourSELF tonight you pompous bully fuck.

Why don't you actually tale on VK, or the links he posted?

Because you're a bully and you know you're weaker than they.

You prick.
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:51 pm

JackRiddler » 25 Jan 2014 23:43 wrote:You aren't fighting shit. Your claiming this demeans the very concept of "fight." Insofar as you can even express yourself in words, which must be very hard for you, you promote an ideology of stupidity, helplessness, confusion, with no relation to the real-world system or the struggle against it. It would be too much to call what you push around here an opiate of the people, since it's more like glue sniffing. (David Icke is the glue sniffing of the people, have I coined a new Marx quote?) You might as well be pushing an apocalypse Jesus, like the earnest Jehovah's I saw today on the snowy streets, for all the good it does. The system demands more morons like you.

If I were the guys advocating the bullshit theses of this thread's OP, who are pretty dumb but light-years ahead of you, I'd seek distance from you, since you lower even their collective IQ by at least a quarter. They're just smart enough to know that, but just stubborn enough not to break ranks with you. You're what the self-respecting conspiracy culture would really rather have stay in its closet. I'd say you were an impediment to an improvement in the level of thinking around here, except of course that the endogenous factors that keep this board and the self-designated conspiracy culture perpetually circling the drain are already over-determined, independently of the hostiles who also attack it. Maybe you are one of the hostiles, actually, but I doubt that. A hostile would get bored once in a while and try to strike a different note. Jehovah's to the bone, if I may stick with that metaphor.


Jack, this is what seriously dissapoints me aboiut you.

Your etymology is wonderful

Its the binary thinking behind it that concerns me, as the earth burns and innocents are massacred.

Perhaps you know more than youre letting on.

Henry Kissinger is at least 110 years old
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby Nordic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:55 pm

Jack Ass, your emotional attachments render you as dumb as a rock

You're too stupid to see that.
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:56 pm



Unerring projection. It burns!
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:59 pm

Nordic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:55 pm wrote:Jack Ass, your emotional attachments render you as dumb as a rock

You're too stupid to see that.


I can dance around the likes of you and write whole essays worth of fuck-off in the same time it takes you to think up insults of this, um, caliber. What have you done to compared2what?, nathan28, simulist? There used to be people worth having a fight with on this board.

Funny thing, as usual: I'd totally like you in real life, and you wouldn't even recognize me from here if you didn't know it was me in advance. You really should stay there. Get into the outdoors. This is not your best outlet for venting. (Element of projection? Conscious and guilty!)
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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:05 pm

All time favorite Nordic quote:

Nordic » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:41 pm wrote:To me, this is boiling down to one simple question:

Why does everyone know who Julian Assange is, and nobody knows who Sibel Edmonds is?

With the first, the media coverage is over the top. With the second, it's reluctant and almost non-existent.

That's the question that everyone needs to ask in regards to Assange (the first three letters of his name are ASS) and Wikileaks.

Still? I'm on the fence. Because I don't KNOW anything.


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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby Searcher08 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:11 pm

JackRiddler » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:05 am wrote:All time favorite Nordic quote:

Nordic » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:41 pm wrote:To me, this is boiling down to one simple question:

Why does everyone know who Julian Assange is, and nobody knows who Sibel Edmonds is?

With the first, the media coverage is over the top. With the second, it's reluctant and almost non-existent.

That's the question that everyone needs to ask in regards to Assange (the first three letters of his name are ASS) and Wikileaks.

Still? I'm on the fence. Because I don't KNOW anything.


The last three letters of his name: DIC.


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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:17 pm

Nordic » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:49 pm wrote:Hey Jack Ass.

What part of this:

"During an hour-long session in front of the home affairs select committee, Rusbridger also: • Said the Guardian had consulted government officials and intelligence agencies – including the FBI, GCHQ, the White House and the Cabinet Office – on more than 100 occasions before the publication of stories."

Do you not FUCKING understand?


You are so unbelievably stupid. A battalion of state thugs from the agency with a license to assassinate bearing a court order visited this guy at his offices and made a big ritualistic show of destroying his computers on the premises. Now they're interrogating him in a Soviet-style theater piece, where if he doesn't give the right answer, he will get fucked, the UK having far fewer legal impediments to fucking people for not giving the right answers in public interrogations than even the U.S. And you, empathic genius that you are, want to blame HIM -- hang him, along with Greenwald, Snowden, Lt. Dreyfus and Jesus -- and thus absolve THEM. Oooh, shiny! It wouldn't matter what Rusbridger thought or said at this point. He's being demonized by THEM and you are playing along as a cheerleader from the conspiracy merchandisers' section. Now seriously. Do you really have the brain power to walk and breathe and all that stuff?

Why don't you actually tale on VK, or the links he posted?


I treated the RI-Limbaugh's latest citation here:
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An exceptional case, however, as Dr. Flood will sooner or later throw another kitchen sink in, and I won't have the time for it. So savor this. (Sorry that you've missed it so far, because if there's one thing I appreciate in my readers, it's blank simian incomprehension followed by reflexive grunts of denial.)

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Re: Sibel Edmonds destroys Glenn Greenwald

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:35 pm

Scott Creighton and the CISPA angle.


Cass Sunstein and CIA Director at Time of the Leak are the Advisers Fixing the “Crisis” Caused by Snowden Psyop
Posted on December 13, 2013 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: See update at end of article

UPDATE 2: See recent revelations about the Sunstein group’s recommendations. Here’s a hint : keep spying and collecting data.

UPDATE 3: Sunstein group recommended telecom companies collect and hold data themselves. See quote at end of article

UPDATE 4: The NSA can’t tell WHAT “Snowden” took and what he didn’t. Perhaps the ONLY computer in the world where no one can track a user’s history keystroke by keystroke. It’s AMAZING!

“They’ve spent hundreds and hundreds of man-hours trying to reconstruct everything he has gotten, and they still don’t know all of what he took,” a senior administration official said. “I know that seems crazy, but everything with this is crazy.” Press TV


Snowden is invisible in Russia and his task history is invisible in Hawaii. Like the X-Files or something.

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Sunstein “government can supply these independent experts with information and perhaps prod them into action from behind the scenes,”

The Manufactured Hero Edward Snowden psyop is coming to a dramatic conclusion. While Sibel Edmonds is exposing Glenn Greenwald as the money-grubbing fraud that he is with help from a virtual army of Twitter pit-bulls (keep at it you guys), I happened to run across something new that should help put it all into a slightly clearer perspective.

This latest development along with the good work of Sibel Edmonds on this matter, should make the Manufactured Hero saga of Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald perfectly clear as nothing more than a psyop designed to ready the public mind to accept this year’s version of Big Business’ wet-dream… CISPA.

No two ways about it now. No question. We are in deep deep deep doo-doo folks. And Sunstein agent Greenwald is shoveling just as fast as he can.

I’m not going to rehash all the reasons I have for thinking that this entire episode was a fabricated piece of artificial reality TV put on in order to swing the general public behind a new piece of legislation or two that will effectively take the place of the corporate wet-dream that was CISPA last year.

The Curious Timing of the Snowden “Leak” and Obama’s Formation of the PCLOB – Laying the Groundwork for CISPA

The Missing Motive of the Snowden Psyop: CISPA (yes… CISPA)

I’m not going to go into how the narrative was custom designed to make everyone hate/fear the NSA making us ready “for the discussion” about how to privatize much of the department’s responsibilities, handing them over to Big Business like those 800 companies that were begging for CISPA last year and taking road trips to D.C. pressing congress to pass it just a month before “Edward Snowden” showed up.

“I’ll (Obama) be meeting with them (PCLOB) and what I want to do is to set up and structure a national conversation not only about these two programs but also about the general problem of these big data sets because this is not going to be restricted to government entities,” Politico


Come on: a high school flunkie security guard rising to the top of some CIA station overseas suddenly develops a conscience and decides out of the blue to turn whistle-blower? His “pole dancing superhero” girlfriend who to this day has simply vanished? His taking off to Hong Kong to hide from national spooks a block away from CIA headquarters in a country practically run by the CIA? Then his amazing vanishing act for over a month in a tiny transit hub in Moscow where not one of the hundreds of reporters ever saw him or any of the travelers or workers there? The only photo of him supposedly in Russia is of the back of his head? He hides from reporters in Russia as they gathered by the hundreds 20 feet from the conference room where he supposedly had a meeting? And just for giggles, don’t forget the guy in Russia helping “Edwardo” stay hidden, just happened to help Hillary Clinton run her little color revolution attempt before their latest election.

Snowden Psyop: Reporters left Transit Hub a While Ago. They Know He’s Not There

And now of course we can add Glenn Greenwald’s “checkbook journalism” to the sordid saga. How exactly is it that Glenn can trip the light fantastic with a reported 50,000 to 1 million “stolen or leaked” SUPER SECRET documents belonging to the NSA… and he’s still alive? Still free to roam about selling them off bit by bit to various MSM “news” outlets? That’s to say nothing of Glenn’s new pro-CISPA globalist billionaire sugar daddy.

Glenn Greenwald Cashes In: CISPA Backing eBay Founder Sets Him Up with His Own Network Oct. 2013

What do you think your life expectancy would be if you had 10 of those you were trying to shop around? Hm?

Not only is he still alive and banking the bucks, but the intrepid Mr. Greenwald and his publicists are negotiating his book and film deals, readying themselves to “Zero Dark Thirty’ the Snowden psyop for posterity’s sake of course.

Yesterday the honorable Jeremy Scaghill went over to the Huffington Post to promote the official story of the bin Laden killing. Scagboy is a partner of Mr. Greenwald, don’t ya know.

Well, let’s just say there’s enough reason to believe we need not believe the official narrative of the Snowjob Affair. I mean, that’s too say nothing of the fact that his big revelations were already well known because real whistle-blowers, the non-invisible kind, told us everything Snowden supposedly leaked long before Glenn cooked up his little deal.

But this is all “old news”. You guys come here for new news. Fresh, ripe off the vine news.

You want it? You got it.

Who is currently working in the Obama White House to hash out those new “reforms” to the domestic spying apparatus and overhauling the NSA operation as a result of the Snowden Psyop?

Well, lets let the main stream media tell you since I’m nothing more than a conspiracy theorist:

“A White House-appointed task force is to recommend an overhaul of the National Security Agency, including changing the controversial bulk phone record collection and giving it civilian leadership, according to a Wall Street Journal report.

The panel of experts called the Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology was called in August in response to the public revelations of the NSA’s mass electronic surveillance by whistleblower Edward Snowden.” RT Dec. 13

“Statement by the Press Secretary on the Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology – On August 9, President Obama called for a high-level group of experts to review our intelligence and communications technologies. Today the President met with the members of this group: Richard Clarke, Michael Morell, Geoffrey Stone, Cass Sunstein and Peter Swire.” White House press release Aug. 2013


That’s right folks… the guy who helped create the “cognitive infiltration” technique for use steering alternative movements in nefarious directions on behalf of the ruling elite, Cass Sunstein, is one of the five advisers coming up with the “fix” to the Edward Snowden crisis.

Cass hails from the University of Chicago, home of neo-liberalism and our current president. He is married to Samantha Power, Obama’s brutal regime changer in Libya and currently on his National Security advisory team.

But Mr. Sunstein has another dubious talent and career focus which I think BEGS us to delve into it a little more. Pardon the long quote and the Wiki reference, but it is well sourced.

“Sunstein co-authored a 2008 paper with Adrian Vermeule, titled “Conspiracy Theories,” dealing with the risks and possible government responses to false conspiracy theories resulting from “cascades” of faulty information within groups that may ultimately lead to violence. In this article they wrote, “The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government’s antiterrorism policies, whatever the latter may be.” They go on to propose that, “the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups”,[30] where they suggest, among other tactics, “Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action.”[30] They refer, several times, to groups that promote the view that the US Government was responsible or complicit in the September 11 attacks as “extremist groups.”

The authors declare that there are five responses a government can take toward conspiracy theories: “We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help.” However, the authors advocate that each “instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).”

Sunstein and Vermeule also analyze the practice of recruiting “nongovernmental officials”; they suggest that “government can supply these independent experts with information and perhaps prod them into action from behind the scenes,” further warning that “too close a connection will be self-defeating if it is exposed.”[30] Sunstein and Vermeule argue that the practice of enlisting non-government officials, “might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts.” Wikipedia


Let’s understand this.

Domestic surveillance CERTAINLY falls under the rubric of “the government’s antiterrorism policies” so don’t come back at me with “oh, he’s talking about “truthers” Scott”

Wrong. He’s talking about ANYTHING that interferes with their current agenda whatever the case may be. And CISPA, the failed remake of our entire domestic security spying infrastructure, certainly qualifies as part of their War on Terror”

The idea behind cognitive infiltration is to take a targeted group who think in a similar matter about a given topic, say 9/11 or CISPA, and gently nudge them back into “rightthink” . Take Jon Gold for instance in the Truth Movement. Perfect example.

Now here we have a major crisis at hand. It wasn’t the Snowden psyop that was the crisis, that was the fix.

The CRISIS involved getting a piece of legislation passed through congress that the VAST majority of the American people didn’t want last year thanks to a bunch of “conspiracy theorists” who actively worked to expose it’s fascist nature to the rest of society.

But there were 800 major corporations who really really wanted to see these reforms in our domestic infrastructure take place largely because it puts immense power in their hands to marshal the internet anyway they deem fit to.

In fact, they sent their PR rock stars to D.C. just weeks prior to the Snowden “leaks” affair to push their bought and paid for congressmen ($65 million in contributions last year to pro-CISPA legislators)

So, the CRISIS involved how to get the alternative community on board with these new reforms. Answer?

enlisting non-government officials, “might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves.


Glenn Greenwald is basically offering up the rebuttal to those who question the need to “have the discussion between giving up some freedoms in exchange for security”. Who else would have similar clout with the anti-globalist, pro-rights groups? Greenwald markets himself simultaneously as an anti-establishment libertarian as well as a socialist … covering all the bases of those fringe type folks who make up the majority of the counter-culture activists here in the States. Greenwald’s credibility was artificially manufactured as his near immediate rise in the alternative journalism world was facilitated by almost weekly appearances on clearly controlled op sites like the Huffington Post and Democracy NOW!

Looking back, it kinda reminds me of little “LOVE MALALA!!!”

Let’s take a minute and look at the rest of this panel of 5 who are preparing the fix to the Snowden Psyop:

Michael Joseph Morell was the deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency and served as acting director twice in 2011 and from 2012 to 2013. Morell retired from his post on August 9, 2013” “He also managed the staff that produced the Presidential Daily Briefings for President George W. Bush” “Bush’s briefer during the September 11, 2001 attacks, and has been quoted as saying, “I would bet every dollar I have that it’s al Qaeda.” “a trusted asset to President Barack H. Obama in the Osama Bin Laden raid on May 2, 2011″

Geoffrey R. Stone is an American law professor. He is currently the Edward H. Levi Distinguished Service Professor of Law at the University of Chicago Law School.”

Peter Swire is a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress… was special assistant to the president for economic policy, serving in the National Economic Council under Lawrence Summers.”


As if handing over all this Snowden justified “reform” to the likes of “cognitive infiltration” Sunstein and CIA guru “I’ll bet it was al Qaeda” Morell wasn’t bad enough, there’s Richard Clarke.

“Clarke released his newest book, Cyber War, in April 2010. In April 2012, Clarke wrote an op-ed in the New York Times addressing cyberattacks. In stemming cyberattacks carried out by foreign governments and foreign hackers, particularly from China, Clarke opines that the U.S. government should be authorized to “create a major program to grab stolen data leaving the country” in a fashion similar to how the U.S. Department of Homeland Security currently searches for child pornography that crosses America’s “virtual borders.” Moreover, he suggests that the president of the United States could authorize agencies to scan Internet traffic outside the United States and seize sensitive files stolen from within the United States“

“Clarke is currently Chairman of Good Harbor Consulting and Good Harbour International, two strategic planning and corporate risk management firms; an on-air consultant for ABC News, and a contributor to the Good Harbor Report– an online community discussing homeland security, defense, and politics. He is an adjunct lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School“


Here’s a guy who was Clinton and Bush I’s “terrorism czar” who repeatedly stresses his talking points that Bush II should have known that al Qaeda had plans to bring down Towers I and II and Building 7 in an obvious controlled demolition but they were asleep at the wheel I guess… who also wants to give the President sweeping authority to sweep up whatever info he wants on the world-wide web in order to defend us from those dastardly Chinese … while he also JUST HAPPENS to run a consulting firm servicing Big Business, the types that want CISPA so bad they can taste it.

“CISPA had garnered favor from corporations and lobbying groups such as Microsoft, Facebook, AT&T, IBM, Apple Inc., Intel, Oracle Corporation, Symantec, and Verizon and the United States Chamber of Commerce, which look on it as a simple and effective means of sharing important cyber threat information with the government. Google has not taken a public position on the bill but has shown previous support for it…” List of companies who have sent letters of support for CISPA since 2012


You starting to get the picture here?

Try this on for size:

In their most concerted response yet to disclosures by the National Security Agency whistle-blower Edward Snowden, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, LinkedIn, Twitter and AOL have published an open letter to Barack Obama and Congress on Monday, throwing their weight behind radical reforms already proposed by Washington politicians.” The Guardian

“Jay Rockefeller (D WVA) has attached a cyber-security amendment (I attached it below) to the NDAA 2014 bill in Congress to mandate that precautions be taken to protect America’s cyber infrastructure and private entities. Those of us who represent private entities, will soon find our free access to the internet eliminated. The fact that this internet control bill is attached to the NDAA is no accident because this means that dissidents, posting anti-government rhetoric on the internet, can be snatched off the street and held indefinitely for their “terrorist” views.” Blacklisted News

“The five-strong task force (Sunstein, Clark, Morell) is to submit its recommendations to the Obama administration on Saturday, but the document is not yet finalized, and it’s not clear how much of it the White House chooses to make public.” RT


As the corporate state makes ready their demands in response to the Snowden Psyop, think about all of this for a second:

The guy who was the head of the CIA at the time of the Snowden “leaks” leaves that office just a month prior to being put on Obama’s team to come up with the “radical reforms” needed in light of the Snowden affair.

The guy who has been calling for new “sweeping powers’ for the president to rule over the global internet is also tasked with helping come up with the reforms.

And finally, Cass Sunstein, a man who put forth the notion that the government should ban conspiracy theorists or charge them some sort of “tax” to stop them and use “non government actors” to influence alternative movements by feeding them deliberate disinformation, is also part of the president’s task force create all those radical reforms needed because of Edward Snowden and the non-government actor… Glenn Greenwald.

Now, in the past, some people thought I might have been reaching a bit when I wrote about the connections between the Snowden Psyop and Big Business’s DEMAND they get CISPA passed this year after it failed last year.

Do you remember how viciously those of us who raised questions about the validity of this whole affair were attacked across the board when we did? I was called an “Edward Snowden Truther” by Salon magazine (same corporation that Glenn Greenwald got his start with. hmmm). Even so-called ‘alternative” journalists like Lindorf and Tarpley railed against anyone who made mention of any questions regarding the ridiculous Snowden story (kinda like Rivero rails against those who question the official story of the Pentagon on 9/11)

In my years of doing this stuff I have found that when there is such a rapid, rabid universal reaction to questions about anything being brought up, there is usually something to those questions. But that’s just me.

We’ve come full circle. The Snowden reforms are nearly ready. Big Business is voicing their approval as we speak. And the authors of all this new “CHANGE” are some of the most controversial figures in the White House today.

The Snowden Psyop was always intended to give those 800 companies exactly what they wanted: a population ready to accept the radical reforms of CISPA that they rejected just a year before. They needed a “heroic looking” patsy and an alternative dissident movement approved salesman to pitch the plan and sway the public and so that’s what they got.

That’s the Manufactured Hero story in a nutshell and as sad as it is, the majority of alternative minded activists are going to stand and applaud the new CISPA inspired radical reforms until it’s too late too change them and the internet is effective handed over to Big Business, for our “national interests” of course.

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UPDATE:

Chew on this for a second.

Let’s say this is all about CISPA and shutting down the free and open exchange of ideas on the internet. About shuttering the doors of many alternative investigative website like this one or Global Research or FireDogLake or any number of them out there.

What is going to happen? Where are those people who depend on that news and analysis going to turn to find their news on a daily basis?

You think they’re going to have a sudden IQ reduction and start watching CNN or Fox News?

And what are the billionaire globalist and his for-profit “alternative news truth teller” hero doing?

They are setting up a new alternative investigative journalism network, that’s what they’re doing.

In anticipation of the massive hole that is about to be formed in the market, Glenn Greenwald and his billionaire owner are about to spend a quarter of a billion dollars setting up a replacement to fill that void for millions of potential viewers.

Almost like they see it coming, huh?


food for thought.

UPDATE 2: from New York Times

“A presidential advisory committee charged with examining the operations of the National Security Agency has concluded that a program to collect data on every phone call made in the United States should continue, though under broad new restraints that would be intended to increase privacy protections, according to officials with knowledge of the report’s contents…

… The advisory report offers the first signs that the revelations by Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor who took thousands of documents from the agency’s archives and has given some of them to news organizations, may lead to changes in the programs he exposed

… Caitlin Hayden, the spokeswoman for the National Security Council, declined to discuss any specific recommendations of the panel…

… Among its members are Richard A. Clarke, who served in the Clinton administration and both Bush administrations and has become an expert on digital conflict; Michael J. Morell, a former deputy director of the C.I.A.; and Cass R. Sunstein, a Harvard Law School professor who served in the Obama White House and is married to Samantha Power, the ambassador to the United Nations…

… Two officials said that the advisers had gone further to challenge the intelligence agencies’ ways of doing business than they had expected. “There’s going to be a lot of pushback to some of their ideas,” said one person familiar with the contents, who declined to go into detail.


Let’s see, we’re on the cusp of the new CISPA and the TPP being implemented around the same time the Obamacare corporatist “healthcare” plan hits high gear.

Can you imagine how many millions would be in the streets protesting this fascist slide down Bush’s ‘slippery” slope right now if McCain or Romney were in the White House? All hail left-cover baby! jesus

UPDATE 3:

“The external panel, formally known as the Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology, had considered recommending an end to the bulk collection program, an official familiar with the deliberations said. But that recommendation “had been changed or withdrawn,” the official said. Instead, sources said, the panel recommended that phone companies retain the records and have the NSA transmit numbers suspected of terrorism links to be run against them.” Washington Post


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With CISPA Ready in the Wings, The Manufactured Hero Edward Snowden Psyop is Coming to an End
Posted on December 16, 2013 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: “Snowden VINDICATED!” – Court says program “MAY “ have violated 4th amendment… “almost certainly” . It’s all wrapping up quite nicely, isn’t it? Declare victory and walk away? Snowden bides for political asylum in Brazil

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Amnesty for the leaked files. That’s the offer being floated out there today. So who exactly has these “keys to the kingdom” anyway? The Washington Post? The Guardian? Glenn “I don’t believe in the coercive nature of money” Greenwald? His boyfriend? Edward “Catch 22″ Snowden (“The spirit gone, man is garbage.”)?

CBS’ “60 Minutes” did a piece on the NSA the other night which is being widely panned as pure propaganda even by members of the MSM. Keep in mind, these “truth telling” voices of reason are largely the same MSM outlets that dutifully parroted government lies in order to push us into an illegal invasion of Iraq, justify regime change bombings in Libya based on more lies about Gaddafi killing his own citizens and supported the fictitious narrative that the “freedom fighters” in Syria were good, hard working, heroic patriots being gassed with chemical weapons from Assad not all that long ago. Pot meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

During that 60 Minutes Mockingbirdesque infomercial, aside from basically saying “the NSA is just fine and out there protecting our freedom because the NSA says so”, somewhere along the line they floated the idea of amnesty for “Edward Snowden”

The director of the agency says “no” but, the NSA official leading the task force to assess the damage done by Snowden’s leaks said “maybe” if “Edward Snowden” gives them back the files.

Give them back the files? How the heck could they prep that narrative? What possible set-up could they employ to justify such a “Mission Accomplished” betrayal by the glorious Glenn and the Snowden snow-job?

I’m glad you asked.

“My personal view is, yes, it’s worth having a conversation about,” Ledgett told CBS. “I would need assurances that the remainder of the data could be secured and my bar for those assurances would be very high. It would be more than just an assertion on his part.”

Ledgett said some of the most worrying documents in Snowden’s possession are those that would provide a “roadmap” for other nations to protect themselves from U.S. surveillance efforts.

To an adversary, Ledgett said, “It is the keys to the kingdom.” Huffington Post


“Gives them back the files”? How can he do that? Aren’t those geniuses at the NSA paying attention to the narrative?

[color=#FF0000]Edward Snowden doesn’t have the files…[/color]

Edward Snowden doesn’t have the trove of top secret National Security Agency documents that he leaked anymore, he claimed in a new interview with The New York Times.

When Snowden fled to Hong Kong and then to Moscow, a number of U.S. government officials speculated that the top secret documents that have fueled a summer of revelations might have been compromised and fallen in the hands of Chinese or Russian spies. But Snowden, who now lives in an undisclosed location in Russia, revealed in the interview that he didn’t bring the documents with him when he left Hong Kong.

All the documents, he said, are now in the hands of journalists Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. Carrying the files with him, Snowden said, would have been useless.

“What would be the unique value of personally carrying another copy of the materials onward?” he said, justifying his decision to get rid of them. “There’s a zero percent chance the Russians or Chinese have received any documents.” Mashable


And now Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras have cashed in on those files and have book deals and movie deals and a brand new quarter of a billion dollar “news” network slated to be similar to the Huffington Post in the works as a result.

Glenn Greenwald Cashes In: CISPA Backing eBay Founder Sets Him Up with His Own Network Oct. 16th, 2013

Curiously, Huffington is a controlled-op fake leftie website run by a former right-winger who pretends to be progressive these days, just like Glenn. And just like Glenn, she got a right-wing billionaire globalist to pay for her start-up in the first place before selling out even more to AOL.

It’s funny what passes for the left these days, isn’t it?

Will this be the end of the Snowden psyop? Is all this recent chatter about Glenn Greenwald’s opportunist handling of these leaks as if they were shares of IBM stock part of the operation? After all, when CISPA kicks off they can’t really have the new billionaire funded website sitting on a million leaks that could supposedly bring down the government (isn’t that exactly what Glenn himself threatened not too long ago?) while they shut down other websites not run by billionaires because they pose a threat to “national security”

That wouldn’t look right, would it? Well, how do they fix that?


One way to fix it is to have “Snowden” come forward, declare victory and give back all those files, in the interests of national security, right? He’s said from the very beginning that this was all about getting us to “have the discussion” about how we give up certain freedoms of privacy in exchange for that all important sense of security (the security of Big Brother watching, recording, evaluating and commodifying everything we do).

Mission accomplished, right?

What’s the final act of this reality TV narrative now that the public have been properly conditioned to accept this year’s CISPA roll-out?

[*] 11 Governments Are Meeting in Peru to Figure Out How They Can Control the Internet
[*] Cass Sunstein and CIA Director at Time of the Leak are the Advisers Fixing the “Crisis” Caused by Snowden Psyop
[*] Manufactured Hero Edward Snowden: Greenwald and Gibson Parrot Obama on REDDIT While New CISPA in Announced
[*] Manufactured Hero Edward Snowden: PCLOB to the Rescue
[*] Obama’s Insider Threat Program Just Prior to Edward Snowden “Leak”
[*] The Curious Timing of the Snowden “Leak” and Obama’s Formation of the PCLOB – Laying the Groundwork for CISPA
[*] The Missing Motive of the Snowden Psyop: CISPA (yes… CISPA)

How do they get the Manufactured Hero to turn in all those “leaks” without looking like a complete heel? More importantly, how do they get Glenn to hand them over while still maintaining a semblance of credibility and even a modicum of his manufactured Dudley Do-Right image?

[*] Checkbook Journalism & Leaking to the Highest Bidders Dec. 8 2013
[*] BFP Breaking News- Omidyar’s PayPal Corporation Said To Be Implicated in Withheld NSA Documents – Dec. 11 2013
[*] Green-Light for Greenwald: Government Duplicity or Government Duality? Dec. 14 2013
[*] Mr. Snowden, It’s Time to Come Out and Take a Stand Publicly as to Your Intentions – Dec. 15 2013

One way they could do it is too create a shit-storm of controversy surrounding Glenn’s handling of the “leaks” and ask Edward what he wants done with them. Eddie boy comes out, claims the purpose of his “brave” efforts has been fulfilled and since it’s turning into something other than what he envisioned, he wants them turned in rather than cashed in.

Glenn then honorably yields to the “whistle-blower’s” wishes and complies.

His new “news” service doesn’t have the “keys to the kingdom” anymore and he can run around doing interviews in the states again without people wondering why he’s not arrested or whacked by the CIA and the NSA.

And “Where’s Edwardo” exits stage left, quietly disappears into the background noise to live out his days after seeing his project to it’s successful conclusion.

The book, the movie, they all have a heroic and happy ending for Glenn as our Manufactured Hero rides off into the sunset.

Glenn and Sibel make nicey-nice with the former actually hiring the latter for his new network to prove just how trustworthy and “transparent” they are going to be.

And everyone involved lives happily ever after with big paychecks and steady page views while the new CISPA is unleashed on the unsuspecting Snowdenites of America, shutting down websites of the “Snowden Truthers” so they don’t “radicalize” good clean American folks turning them into “extremists” for no good reason with their “conspiracy theories” about chemical weapons attacks, Monsanto and Coke killing union leaders in Columbia.

That’s how you could write the final chapter of the Manufactured Hero Edward Snowden psyop. There are other ways. Maybe it’s all just a coincidence like that “New Pearl Harbor” dream of the neocons back in 2000. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.

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Guess I’m already losing Sibel fans who are unfollowing my Twitter feed. That didn’t take long. Oh well.

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Game, Set and Match: Di$info Jone$ on Snowden Psyop – “I don’t think this is disinfo”
Posted on December 27, 2013 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton

“I know I’m for real, I know I’m not working for anybody. I’ve said on-air that I’ve had family work for black-ops and even with the CIA… but they said the government is bad. They said I’m dead on. They’re patriots. They don’t like what is happening… We can’t all decide that there can’t be anyone good… and that anyone that has success must be an operative…. I look at the fruits of this and if it was a staged event, which I don’t think it was, it’s not going good for them.” Di$info Jone$


As the alternative community is starting to come around on the Snowden Psyop (readying the American public to accept the new CISPA laws) Di$info Jone$ feels the need to step forward and announce his support for the psyop based on the fact that he knows ‘so much” about the NSA that he “doesn’t know” what’s going on.

“Snowden saw what he thought was evil. He’s a Ron Paul libertarian” Di$info Jone$


He claims they “may” have started off this little project as some kind of inner-agency feud but it’s gone “out of control” since then, whatever that means. The logic of that line of reasoning is ridiculously stupid. If they started it off as a psyop, Snowden and Greenwald must still be operatives working for that psyop.

Here’s a little quote from Di$info which tells you exactly what he’s doing:

We need to have a societal discussion about this” Di$info Jone$


That’s the exact same thing ObamaGod has been telling people since 3 days after the original Snowden “leaks” came out earlier this year. That’s been the marketing campaign of this program since day one. Get the people to “have the discussion”

If anyone is still on the fence here at American Everyman regarding what Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald are doing, I suggest going back over my old articles on the subject and having a listen to Di$info Jone$’ take on it which you can find after the break.

I hate to post a Di$info video knowing what I know about his operation.

However, it’s enlightening in that he felt he needed to do an entire segment on his show pumping up support for the psyop at this late stage in the process when more and more people are starting to see it for what it is.



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Manufactered Hero Edward Snowden: Paving the Way for New CISPA
Posted on January 17, 2014 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: OBAMA’S SPEECH TEXT

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“The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPAH.R. 3523 (112th Congress), H.R. 624 (113th Congress)) is a proposed law in the United States which would allow for the sharing of Internet traffic information between the U.S. government and technology and manufacturing companies“

“The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA, would obliterate any semblance of online privacy in the United States.”[51]

“Reporters Without Borders is deeply concerned with the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act of 2011 (CISPA), the cyber security bill now before the US Congress. In the name of the war on cyber crime, it would allow the government and private companies to deploy draconian measures to monitor, even censor, the Web. It might even be used to close down sites that publish classified files or information.”[53]

“CISPA would effectively take the door off the hinge of every household in America, but lacks the tools necessary to distinguish whether there is a criminal hiding in the attic. Why surrender the core of our privacy for the sake of corporate and governmental convenience?“[54]


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“President Obama will require intelligence agencies to obtain permission from a secret court before tapping into a vast trove of telephone data, but he will leave the data in the hands of the government for now, an administration official said.”

“The president will say that he is ordering a transition that will end the Section 215 telephone metadata program as it currently exists and move to a program that preserves the capabilities we need without the government holding this bulk metadata,” said the official, who insisted on anonymity to preview a part of the 11 a.m. speech.”

A review panel appointed by Mr. Obama recommended that the government no longer be allowed to hold the data and that instead it be left in the hands of the telecommunications firms or an independent third party and tapped only with permission of a judge.” New York Times, Jan 2014


flashback to April 2013

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Back in the day, prior to the Snowden/Greenwald Psyop, the vast majority of the American people opposed the idea of allowing Big Telecom to collect our phone calls, email content and “meta data” to use as they saw fit. Big Business and the politicians they owned loved the idea. There was a conflict. Not one between their plans and our civil rights, but one between their plans for the developing corporate totalitarian state and the illusion us citizens continue to live under.

Therefore they needed a crisis. One of considerable magnitude which they could exploit as the narrative to justify sweeping changes like CISPA had to offer.

Tomorrow or the next day, our president (the same guy looking to fast track corporatist TPP) will announce his recommendations gleened from his Cass Sunstein led “Snowden Commission” which will include the key provision of CISPA which is continuing the bulk data collection but privatizing the process and commodifying the data itself.

Early in the Snowden psyop I wrote that this was all about paving the way for CISPA. Today I rest my case.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/01 ... new-cispa/


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slimmouse » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:35 pm wrote:On edit. Im glad I caught that Ridllerism prior to it sinking into non-existence. The post has gone.


Are you really this stupid, or this much of a liar? Which one is it? None of my posts are gone. They have not been censored, and I feel no need to edit anything I wrote. Here, again: Kill yourself. It's just about the most creative option available to you.

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