Judeophobia & The Revolutionary Right

[American Dream]

I've given my opinion on NA and also a bit about the far right in general, but I'm no ideologue and don't want to write any wide ranging statements or essays. These are not dialogue.

If you have given a clear statement of position regarding the Far Right, then why don't I know what it is? Why can't I find a really clear statement regarding whether you came here supporting the anti-Fascist cause? the pro-Racialist cause? Some combination of the two?

What is your point of view regarding what most everybody would accept is the "Racist Right"?



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[jakell]

@jakell,

I understand AD's suspicions and why he has them. If you view yourself objectively, put yourself in his shoes and read yourself from an other perspective, do you also understand?

wrt ignoring:

by far the best way to deal with trolls/disinformation artists/crypto fascist recruiters/anti-semites/fossil fuel shills etc... is to just starve them. It's much more sanitary, if not nearly as fun. Same goes for overblown egomaniacs, even more so. I fall to temptation on occasion. Usually when I have too much free time and I'm bored.

I often try to view myself from another perspective, after all, on a forum you are basically authoring yourself. A familiar way of doing this is to imagine you are a lurker, but not a poster and ask yourself what you would think of yourself.

I understand suspicions in general, after all, in this environment there is little of the context that we usually use to reinforce impressions. An experienced poster is usually aware of this, and acts accordingly, and therefore, whilst I understand AD's suspicions he seems extremely clumsy (reticent even) about expressing and establishing their validity.

Even though clumsiness is forgivable in itself, one has to ask oneself, "how sensitive/important is this subject matter, and how important is it that I get it right?", and this helps give perspective.

OK. So if one were a supporter of National Anarchism and/or related ideologies and wished to insinuate oneself into boards such as ours here for the purposes of surreptitiously finding support and/or recruits what would that look like? How would that person go about that, assuming they were savvy enough (had lurked and studied long enough) to realize a frontal approach would not work?

Sorry, I'm not interested in engaging in such a daft thought experiment, unless you can provide me with motivation that is. eg by actually trying to establish a dialogue.

I thought that was what I was trying to do. No need to apologize though. Not everything under the sun is worth having a dialogue about.

No, a dialogue would be to follow on from what you quoted of mine (notice it didn't mention politics, or any of AD's NA stuff) with something properly related. Not to say 'OK' and then go on with something different and asking me to engage in supposition.

Try to understand that AD is irritating me here, and it looks like you are just jumping in and doing more of the same, so therefore I am doubly irritated.

If this isn't your intention, try to recall what you said about appreciating other's perpectives, particularly those of someone far less familiar with the environment.

[jakell]

I've given my opinion on NA and also a bit about the far right in general, but I'm no ideologue and don't want to write any wide ranging statements or essays. These are not dialogue.

If you have given a clear statement of position regarding the Far Right, then why don't I know what it is? Why can't I find a really clear statement regarding whether you came here supporting the anti-Fascist cause? the pro-Racialist cause? Some combination of the two?

What is your point of view regarding what most everybody would accept is the "Racist Right"?

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This is more like it, as the issues are complex, it is best to start simple.

I didn't 'come here' supporting any cause, especially a political one. A political board (like my previous one) would be the best arena for that, this is more of an advanced tinfoil talking shop**

My view of the racist right is really my view on racism in general (ie not just applicable to the right) in that any discrimination based upon race is unfounded.

** Sorry folks, I know it's more than that, but I'm trying to avoid side issues here.

[coffin_dodger]

advanced tinfoil talking shop

[American Dream]

I've given my opinion on NA and also a bit about the far right in general, but I'm no ideologue and don't want to write any wide ranging statements or essays. These are not dialogue.

If you have given a clear statement of position regarding the Far Right, then why don't I know what it is? Why can't I find a really clear statement regarding whether you came here supporting the anti-Fascist cause? the pro-Racialist cause? Some combination of the two?

What is your point of view regarding what most everybody would accept is the "Racist Right"?

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This is more like it, as the issues are complex, it is best to start simple.

I didn't 'come here' supporting any cause, especially a political one. A political board (like my previous one) would be the best arena for that, this is more of an advanced tinfoil talking shop**

My view of the racist right is really my view on racism in general (ie not just applicable to the right) in that any discrimination based upon race is unfounded.

** Sorry folks, I know it's more than that, but I'm trying to avoid side issues here.

Yeah, your fancy footwork is looking kinda, well, clumsy. We all know that newer iterations of boneheads may talk about "Autonomy" and "Separate but Equal" as cover for their racism, even though they really are extreme racialists. What do you think about that?

Aren't National Anarchists and Autonomist Nationalists sleazy and reprehensible racists? Even (especially!) if they deny that they are racialists at all?

[jakell]

advanced tinfoil talking shop

Yeah, sorry about that. I may try and come up with more appropriate phrase later when the star chamber session concludes. If it ever does that is, according to some other posters this sort of stuff has gone on forever here.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

Sorry to butt into what Im sure is very important drama about very important things without any context(which would require sifting through several pages of extremely interesting bickering), but does RI have some kind of crypto-racist problem I should be aware of?

[seemslikeadream]

Sorry to butt into what Im sure is very important drama about very important things without any context(which would require sifting through several pages of extremely interesting bickering), but does RI have some kind of crypto-racist problem I should be aware of?

NO....but it is a very easy conclusion to make ...isn't it?

and why do you think that?


I would be very interested in your answer to that question...if you could please

[jakell]

I've given my opinion on NA and also a bit about the far right in general, but I'm no ideologue and don't want to write any wide ranging statements or essays. These are not dialogue.

If you have given a clear statement of position regarding the Far Right, then why don't I know what it is? Why can't I find a really clear statement regarding whether you came here supporting the anti-Fascist cause? the pro-Racialist cause? Some combination of the two?

What is your point of view regarding what most everybody would accept is the "Racist Right"?

.

This is more like it, as the issues are complex, it is best to start simple.

I didn't 'come here' supporting any cause, especially a political one. A political board (like my previous one) would be the best arena for that, this is more of an advanced tinfoil talking shop**

My view of the racist right is really my view on racism in general (ie not just applicable to the right) in that any discrimination based upon race is unfounded.

** Sorry folks, I know it's more than that, but I'm trying to avoid side issues here.

Yeah, your fancy footwork is looking kinda, well, clumsy. We all know that newer iterations of boneheads may talk about "Autonomy" and "Separate but Equal" as cover for their racism, even though they really are extreme racialists. What do you think about that?

Aren't National Anarchists and Autonomist Nationalists sleazy and reprehensible racists? Even (especially!) if they deny that they are racialists at all?

Hey, I never claimed to be graceful, and the ground in this field is pretty hard going (or haven't you noticed)

I'm going to have to repeat my intitial phrase of " I support any movement that adheres to the anarchist principles of voluntarism and non-interference"

You see, I'm really talking about anarchism here, and this deceptively simple phrase covers a lot of ground, it is you who subsequently went on to obsess about National Anarchism ad nauseum and probably tinged the whole thread with it in the eyes of others.

There are those on the Right and the Left who claim falsely to be anarchists, this can only really be determined by taking a close look at them and not spouting ideology from a distance. I'm hoping someday to have a decent discussion on anarchism, but I'm guessing we're quite a long way from that possibility ATM.

[jakell]

Sorry to butt into what Im sure is very important drama about very important things without any context(which would require sifting through several pages of extremely interesting bickering), but does RI have some kind of crypto-racist problem I should be aware of?

NO....but it is a very easy conclusion to make ...isn't it?

and why do you think that?

You see, I'm really talking about anarchism here, and this deceptively simple phrase covers a lot of ground, it is you who subsequently went on to obsess about National Anarchism ad nauseum and probably tinged the whole thread with it in the eyes of others.

Wallpapering a thread with lots of in-depth seeming articles (too many to determine accuracy or consistency) is one way of convincing casual onlookers that that is what the thread is about.

Do this with multiple threads and then it tinges the whole forum

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

I've given my opinion on NA and also a bit about the far right in general, but I'm no ideologue and don't want to write any wide ranging statements or essays. These are not dialogue.

If you have given a clear statement of position regarding the Far Right, then why don't I know what it is? Why can't I find a really clear statement regarding whether you came here supporting the anti-Fascist cause? the pro-Racialist cause? Some combination of the two?

What is your point of view regarding what most everybody would accept is the "Racist Right"?

.

This is more like it, as the issues are complex, it is best to start simple.

I didn't 'come here' supporting any cause, especially a political one. A political board (like my previous one) would be the best arena for that, this is more of an advanced tinfoil talking shop**

My view of the racist right is really my view on racism in general (ie not just applicable to the right) in that any discrimination based upon race is unfounded.

** Sorry folks, I know it's more than that, but I'm trying to avoid side issues here.

Yeah, your fancy footwork is looking kinda, well, clumsy. We all know that newer iterations of boneheads may talk about "Autonomy" and "Separate but Equal" as cover for their racism, even though they really are extreme racialists. What do you think about that?

Aren't National Anarchists and Autonomist Nationalists sleazy and reprehensible racists? Even (especially!) if they deny that they are racialists at all?

AD, lets apply Occam here. Either Jakell is a secret racist pretending to be an anarchist, or is perhaps a racist Anarchist, OR Jakell is just an Anarchist. It doesnt seem too unthinkable that a non-racist Anarchist could hold the viewpoints that Jakell has. The conclusion that requires less assumptions is that he is just an Anarchist. So what reason do you have to suspect that Jakell is a racist? Or is there some data here that Im not aware of? Does Jakell have a habit of seig heiling at inappropriate times? Does he start a lot of conversations with "Now Im not racist, BUT"? Does he keep a copy of Mein Kampf in his sock drawer with sticky pages?

[coffin_dodger]

advanced tinfoil talking shop

Yeah, sorry about that. I may try and come up with more appropriate phrase later when the star chamber session concludes. If it ever does that is, according to some other posters this sort of stuff has gone on forever here.

'star chamber' -

Wasn't sure about you to start with, but warming.

[jakell]

AD, lets apply Occam here. Either Jakell is a secret racist pretending to be an anarchist, or is perhaps a racist Anarchist, OR Jakell is just an Anarchist. It doesnt seem too unthinkable that a non-racist Anarchist could hold the viewpoints that Jakell has. The conclusion that requires less assumptions is that he is just an Anarchist. So what reason do you have to suspect that Jakell is a racist? Or is there some data here that Im not aware of? Does Jakell have a habit of seig heiling at inappropriate times? Does he start a lot of conversations with "Now Im not racist, BUT"? Does he keep a copy of Mein Kampf in his sock drawer with sticky pages?

Ah thankyou, some fecking humour at last, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. I don't know about the whole board, but I've had a hard time when mentioning Occam around here, apparently he's a bit too simplistic (which I thought was meant to be the point).

Actually, you are not far off. I do keep a spare pair of socks in my Mein Kampf drawer (they are priest's socks, which as we all know, are properly black)



This is from the 'nazi' episode of Father Ted, so it has a slight relevence here

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

Ive noticed too that people with an interest in conspiracies and high strangeness tend to have a knee jerk reaction to Occam. I think it comes from the misunderstanding that Occams means "the simplest answer is right", which as a lot of smart assed apologists have pointed out would mean that "God did it" is the answer to everything.

[jakell]

Ive noticed too that people with an interest in conspiracies and high strangeness tend to have a knee jerk reaction to Occam. I think it comes from the misunderstanding that Occams means "the simplest answer is right", which as a lot of smart assed apologists have pointed out would mean that "God did it" is the answer to everything.

I've also found this to be case, and I have to point out that Occam is a simply a basic tool, a way of initiating an investigation into something complex, and that it doesn't have the last word.