A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:58 am

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:49 pm wrote:he does it all the time...day after day....week after week...year after year...


I did think that once the articles ran out, then discourse would have to ensue, but no, I've seen plenty of duplicates.

I think there may be an identifiable issue about turning General Discussion into a Data Dump, if someone were to pursue that line.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:09 pm

there is a unspoken code here as far as topics go....everyone here tries very hard to keep like topics in one thread....people even go back years to pull up something if there is new info to add....and everyone respects that ideal ...except for AD....except when AD decides to bump a thread of his...and there are soooo many to chose from....although he has no problem kicking up his mega thread so he does know how to do it but refuses to comply when it comes to this subject...and guess what we have a fascism sub forum....but in fact AD has NEVER posted in it
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:23 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:09 pm wrote:there is a unspoken code here as far as topics go....everyone here tries very hard to keep like topics in one thread....people even go back years to pull up something if there is new info to add....and everyone respects that ideal ...except for AD....although he has no problem kicking up his mega thread so he does know how to do it but refuses to comply when it comes to this subject...and guess what we have a fascism sub forum....but in fact AD has NEVER posted in it


Are all those sub-forums relatively new? There didn't seem so many when I first joined RI.
The problem with lots of sections is that, when posting activity becomes low (for whatever reason), then posters get isolated from each other, and people want to cluster together.

If, due to what seems to me like childish territoriality, I have to start my own thread on this matter, I'll consider that section. I do like to have some company though.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:42 pm

This is an anti-fascist thread centered on neo-fascist/racialist movements in Europe, especially on how they utilize anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and Nationalisms in varying ways to advance their agenda.

Stop trolling this thread and if you need to go someplace else to continue your discussion, then please do that.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:46 pm

when you stop trolling your own thread by reposting the exact same article over and over again then you will have the right to ask anyone else anything

you are trolling your own thread
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:53 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:46 am wrote:when you stop trolling your own thread by reposting the exact same article over and over again then you will have the right to ask anyone else anything

you are trolling your own thread


Actually jakell was saying a falsehood and succeeded in playing you like a violin. He is a nobody here and has nothing to lose by misleading and otherwise manipulating you.

Now, stop trolling this thread and go somewhere else. I've given you lots of chances already.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:08 pm

since you continue to post falsehoods why would you complain if and when someone else does?
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:17 pm

American Dream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:42 pm wrote:This is an anti-fascist thread centered on neo-fascist/racialist movements in Europe, especially on how they utilize anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and Nationalisms in varying ways to advance their agenda.

Stop trolling this thread and if you need to go someplace else to continue your discussion, then please do that.


GENERAL DISCUSSION IS A *DISCUSSION* FORUM
If you do not like that, please either post in the Data Dump or set up your own website. This isnt TIDS and if you dont like critique, well sorry, this is not YOUR private "anti-fascist board".

I think it is a bit rich for YOU to be declaring what the thread is / is not about given that you did even post ANY personal comments or objectives, only other peoples articles, for the first nine months of the threads existence! I consider Hasbara to be *directly relevant* to this subject and if you do not like that, tough. You have been consistently and clearly vague and evasive and dismissive when confronted with hasbara activity right here on R.I.; I consider Hasbara trolling here to be much more of a threat than vague allegations that jakell "smells funny" and your Appeal to Authority fallacy about people with a brain thinking that way as well.

The responses I have seen to him are starting to look more and more similar to the pounding you put me through, considering me a racist anti-Semite, full of innuendo and half-truth and "Six Degrees of David Icke Dodgyness" Character Assassination bullshit.

And Yes, I AM angry!








If you dont want to speak with jakell, please put him on ignore. You baselessly calling other people out for trolling after YOUR CopyPasta deluge post my request to DISCUSS is a poor show, old chap.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:38 pm

we are mad as hell and we just are not going to take it any more

you've been doing this crap to us oldsters around here for years.....we're used to it.... but you are not going to pull your crap on a newbie that up until this point has done nothing to warrant you labeling him....calling him names ...except for having the audacity to stand up to you if and when he breaks the rules or is found out to have nefarious intentions here then call a mod and have them take care of it ....for now YOU STOP IT YOU ARE PUTTING PEOPLE OFF FROM THIS PLACE BY YOU CONSTANT BULLYING...by your constant warning that the fascists are coming the fascists are coming....
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:47 pm

The problems only really began when jakell came on to this thread, with his sustained trolling campaign. To this day, I don't think we can tell what he really thinks about the most fundamental questions regarding anti-Fascism, Racism, and the like, especially as they relate to the Third Positionist/National Anarchist line which jakell seems to endorse .

Anyway, be that what it may, I'm going to invite you Searcher that if you think Hasbara is a serious issue on this board, then make a thread dedicated to that theme. If you think you can make a case there for how there is a big Hasbara problem on this thread, then do your best. I'd really like to understand what you're saying- and if there is any sort of organized psy-ops campaign by agents of the Israeli State and/or people who are committed to reactionary zionist ideologies etc., then I very much want to deal with it.

I'm going to absent myself from conversation here for at least 24 hours- barring an urgent need to do otherwise- so that I can cool myself down and get a good grip on myself. I would invite others who care about being good board members to do the same.

Meanwhile, hopefully there can be a clear articulation of concerns- backed by concrete evidence as much as possible- on the Hasbara thread.



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Postby Perelandra » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:55 pm

Searcher08 wrote:GENERAL DISCUSSION IS A *DISCUSSION* FORUM
If you do not like that, please either post in the Data Dump or set up your own website. This isnt TIDS and if you dont like critique, well sorry, this is not YOUR private "anti-fascist board".
Exactly right. This posting style is rude and disruptive. One could say AD is trolling GD.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:04 pm

Perelandra » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:55 pm wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:GENERAL DISCUSSION IS A *DISCUSSION* FORUM
If you do not like that, please either post in the Data Dump or set up your own website. This isnt TIDS and if you dont like critique, well sorry, this is not YOUR private "anti-fascist board".
Exactly right. This posting style is rude and disruptive. One could say AD is trolling GD.


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Re: Re:

Postby Saurian Tail » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:20 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:04 pm wrote:
Perelandra » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:55 pm wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:GENERAL DISCUSSION IS A *DISCUSSION* FORUM
If you do not like that, please either post in the Data Dump or set up your own website. This isnt TIDS and if you dont like critique, well sorry, this is not YOUR private "anti-fascist board".
Exactly right. This posting style is rude and disruptive. One could say AD is trolling GD.

concur.

Yep ... agreed.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:23 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:38 pm wrote:we are mad as hell and we just are not going to take it any more


Now that sounds like spirit to me.

One of the impressions I've received from you (if you'll forgive the supposition), is that you have become resigned to what you see as a bad situation here, which is a shame because this is part of your history, and part of your family, and it must hurt.

As a relative outsider, it seems to me that there needs to be some movement here because the tension (over the board) is palpable. the remark that I am 'playing you' is funny because you appear to have far more energy and staying power than me. I would have jumped ship by now.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:36 pm

Hopefully no one will mind If I return to the post I made before this recent, slightly heated exchange. The subject matter here is worthy IMO.:


jakell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:54 pm wrote:............This article has piqued my interest in the Italian Right, and especially because the word 'fascist' in that country very likely has a much more specific meaning than when used by most of the world.
It's a word I try to avoid because it's meaning has become so vacuous, and when it rears it's head, it then gets a lot harder to make progress in a discussion. I liked JMG's reference to it as a 'snarl word':

............These days, to be more precise, the word “fascism” mostly functions as what S.I. Hayakawa used to call a snarl word—a content-free verbal noise that expresses angry emotions and nothing else. One of my readers last week commented that for all practical purposes, the word “fascism” could be replaced in everyday use with “Oogyboogymanism,” and of course he’s quite correct; Aldous Huxley pointed out many years ago that already in his time, the word “fascism” meant no more than “something of which one ought to disapprove.” When activists on the leftward end of today’s political spectrum insist that the current US government is a fascist regime, they thus mean exactly what their equivalents on the rightward end of the same spectrum mean when they call the current US government a socialist regime: “I hate you.” It’s a fine example of the way that political discourse nowadays has largely collapsed into verbal noises linked to heated emotional states that drowns out any more useful form of communication.


http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.uk/2014_02_01_archive.html

At a future point, I might have a go at recovering this meaning, but as someone on here has remarked, it didn't work the last time. The above essay is not a bad place to start though.


This may strike some as a bit basic, but occasionally going back to basics is part of my style, especially when the issues are grave and important to me.
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