Towards Rigorous & Radical Conspiracy Theory

[jakell]

you guys don't understand ...we don't need the MSM ...our government....old white men....sun revolves around the earth folks....to validate what we know....there will come a time when more people understand what is happening than not..just like with pot....gay rights ...their world is crumbling around them FAST....we don't need them....WE DON'T NEED THEM

The NYT is never going to be on our side.....the NSA is never going to be on our side...the U.S. government is never going to be on our side...old white men are NEVER going to be on our side....but they will be in their graves sooner rather than later...it's just a fact of life


there is no political solution...to our evolution


there never has been a political solution

I'm totally with you on this one. The reason I don't fret too much here is that the power structures we have now are as dependant on the oil economy as everyone else, maybe more so as they are more centralised.

They'll only need a little push to topple over if it's done in the right place at the right time, and especially if they're busy fighting each other as well.
Some will have built lifeboats. But people in lifeboats trying to get by are not particularly scary or vigilant.

[TheBlackSheep]

The Bilderberg meetings are too identifiable and public to be directly part of any conspiracy even if they were in the past, and look like a circus to me. If anything they serve as a nice diversion from other stuff, and as an Icke and Jones magnet.

As to different countries behaving in a similar fashion, I see power structures playing copycat, and watching each other to see what works. Why be creative?
If there is

The content of the Bilderberg meetings aren't available to the general public, we have no way of knowing whether our 'elected officials' are acting in our interest or not. So there is a degree of secrecy involved.

As for the governments playing copycat, such behavior still supercedes democratic decision making. As these countries profess themselves to be democratic to their citizenry, to supercede that mandate is not the expression of democratic behavior. Hence there is an element of lies involved. I admit the degree to which this can all be called a conspiracy formally is debatable...

And just because the Bilderberg meetings were once a conspiracy but have now become outed formally, yet do not display the contents of their meetings to the general public do not bring them entirely out of the realm of conspiracy.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

you guys don't understand ...we don't need the MSM ...our government....old white men....sun revolves around the earth folks....to validate what we know....there will come a time when more people understand what is happening than not..just like with pot....gay rights ...their world is crumbling around them FAST....we don't need them....WE DON'T NEED THEM

Gay rights and Pot are hardly the foundations of elite power, but I agree that the current system is falling apart fast and thats not necessarily a good thing. Our current system, as morally fucked as it is, is probably the best system in history to live in. Greater health, relative freedom all that noise. This short term prosperity is based on destroying anything we have that resembles a pleasant future. Its hard to tell what will come after this system, but I dont think it will be very nice. Peak oil, global warming, water shortages. And thats leaving out the question of what comes after this current system? Theres no reason to believe whatever is coming next is going to be pretty, just looking at the current state of society I wouldnt say that we are "winning". The collapse of the Empire isnt due to any great raising of consciousness, its because the machine is flawed and is breaking down. Just because they lose doesnt mean that we win. Even if we string every Banker and Bilderberg from lamp-posts it doesnt end there. We have to rebuild, and just taking a quick look at who "we" is doesnt give me much hope. How many of the millions of people who listen to Glenn Beck are going to advocate for strong personal freedoms? Do we really want a constitution written by the Jersey Shore generation? What happens when all those "Merrka #1" folks are put in charge of the army?

Historically, when has the collapse of a massive empire been followed by a golden age of prosperity? There is a sick sort of consolation in knowing that THEY are going to get whats coming to them, but that doesnt mean our problems are over.

And really, I might be underestimating the grand reptiles here. They may be able to hold on to control till the bitter end. But Mutiny or no Mutiny, were still all trapped on a sinking ship.

[seemslikeadream]

i'm not happy having to post this because it is Alex Jones but I couldn't find a better interview of Billy...

[FourthBase]

i'm not happy having to post this because it is Alex Jones but I couldn't find a better interview of Billy...

I revere Billy Corgan.

I will eagerly listen to this, while skipping the Jones parts.

p.s. Has it ever occurred to anyone here with media ambitions to compete against Jones for the tinfoil demo? There are probably 10 or more people here who could host a more entertaining and more informative show than that fraud, if you even just half-assed it, with zero experience. Caveat: Probably not unless you're a libertarianish lefty, meaning, nobody's going to listen to a typical pinko, to put it crudely. (We're talking about a crude audience!) But yeah, that motherfucker could be trounced.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

You guys want to put together some kind of infowars ripoff? Just for a quick buck? I am complete serious. We could also do a bit of headfucking once the ordeal was over. If we were successful we could reveal that we were always just in it for the money and just cynically manipulating people, sort of a Marjoe kind of deal. We could damage the credibility of conspiracy hucksters while making some money at the same time.

[coffin_dodger]

Shame AJ tried to finish so many sentences that Corgan started. And often got the intended message wrong. Bit rude, really.
He's painful to watch, that Jones fellow.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

I find him more amusing than anything.

[seemslikeadream]

my post was about Billy NOT Jones.....please don't make this about Jones......just listen to Billy ...he had some great things to say...forget Jones...if anyone has a better vid of him speaking.... POST IT

[Rory]

Shame AJ tried to finish so many sentences that Corgan started. And often got the intended message wrong. Bit rude, really.
He's painful to watch, that Jones fellow.

Poor Alex - however good his intentions might have been, he has gone to a bad, slightly unwell place. But I guess the revenue generation this path has provided makes the transition from earnest truthseeker to kooky parody a bit easier

Bit like Icke too really. The only winners are their accountants and tptb

[semper occultus]

.....although Ike's starting-point was proclaiming himself the son of god on a chat-show & iirc predicting imminent global apocolypse.....I have to admire the way he came back from the ensuing ridicule.....on the back of his ability to project warmth, humour & not taking himself too seriously....not qualities I associate with Jones ......

[Rory]

I think the character appraisal is fair - I would put some of it to cultural background. Icke is of a personality typical in late 20th century (middle class) southern England. Self depreciating, a little bit goofy and apparently good natured - self effacing charm.
Jones has that Texan stereotype - brash, bombastic and prone to vein on temple throbbing hyperbole. Not as easy to warm to. But I'm not Texan so maybe others find him endearing.

Ultimately, they both lead down a rabbit hole of unfiltered fuckwittery that literally assaults the critical faculties of those without the cynicism to see past the revenue generating raison d'etre

[TheBlackSheep]

Don't you guys think it would be more worth while to critique the contents of what Alex Jones broadcasts rather than his personaly? I am not a fan of Jones but he has pointed out things that aren't covered in the mainstream media and that do have verifiability. If the only criteria is going to be personality and personal beliefs then you might find it difficult to get along with or agree with nearly everyone on earth. I'm not saying that the content that Jones distributes can't be critiqued, I'm just saying wouldn't it be a more worthwhile endeavor to do so and get more closely towards the truth than join in a clucking match of your own to discredit his character. In this sense there is little difference between Jones and a few of the posts above me.

[Rory]

Don't you guys think it would be more worth while to critique the contents of what Lyndon LaRouche broadcasts rather than his personaly? I am not a fan of LaRouche but he has pointed out things that aren't covered in the mainstream media and that do have verifiability. If the only criteria is going to be personality and personal beliefs then you might find it difficult to get along with or agree with nearly everyone on earth. I'm not saying that the content that LaRouche distributes can't be critiqued, I'm just saying wouldn't it be a more worthwhile endeavor to do so and get more closely towards the truth than join in a clucking match of your own to discredit his character. In this sense there is little difference between LaRouche and a few of the posts above me.

Do you want me to do one with Jeff Rense, or Glen Beck next?

Why can't we all just get along!! Clucking is a thing

[TheBlackSheep]

I'm not sure I get your response. You can do a criticism of whomever you please. I don't have a problem with people thinking whatever they wish about Alex Jones or whomever else. It just seems like if we engage in empty character based criticism then we aren't really facing the situation that is taking place. I don't think it is good for Alex Jones or anyone else to fabricate or conflate his messages, and that is why a genuine critique would be useful to get more deeply at the truth... I just meant that if we are going to base all of our understanding on the character of who is speaking then we are probably going to find we don¨t really agree with anyone. People are different, sometimes people are plainly assholes, but they might say some things that are true some of the time, and they might try to mislead us other times, but what is important is being able to tell the difference.