Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:15 pm

Presidential Statement on Ukraine

Obama to speak ...U.S. gravely concerned about troops at Crimea airport


Ukraine Says Russian Military Blocking Airports and Roads

Ukraine official describes act as ‘military invasion’

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Tensions between Ukraine and Russia escalated sharply on Friday, as Ukrainian officials said Russian military forces had seized control of two airports in country’s the southern peninsula of Crimea.

Masked gunmen seized the airports overnight, the Associated Press reports, and Ukraine, whose new government is trying to tack away from Russia and toward Europe, quickly blamed the Kremlin. Ukraine’s State Border Guard said one base had been surrounded by Russian marines.

“I can only describe this as a military invasion and occupation,” Ukraine’s interim Interior Minister, Arsen Avakov, wrote on Facebook.

The latest tensions came after heavily armed pro-Russian militias seized several government buildings in the Crimean capital and hoisted a Russian flag above their barricades. Analysts fear that Russian President Vladimir Putin may push for military intervention in the region following the fall of the country’s pro-Moscow administration last week.

Meanwhile, ousted Ukrainian leader President Viktor Yanukovych, who has been lying low since fleeing Kiev amid protests last week, spoke publicly for the first time since leaving the country, saying from Russia that he’s still the country’s legitimate leader. Earlier this week, Ukrainian authorities issued a warrant for Yanukovych’s arrest for allegedly committing mass murder after security forces killed dozens of protesters during months of protests against the former president’s rule.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:15 pm

Obama, at the White House, warns Russia not to intervene in Ukraine

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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:51 pm

Ukraine official: Russia has launched 'armed invasion' in Crimea
Published February 28, 2014FoxNews.com
Russian troops moved into Crimea Friday, U.S. officials told Fox News, prompting Ukraine to accuse Russia of an "armed invasion."

At the White House, President Obama said the U.S. government is "deeply concerned" by reports of Russian "military movements" and warned any violation of Ukraine's sovereignty would be "deeply destabilizing."

"There will be costs" for any military intervention, he said, without specifying what those costs might be.

U.S. officials told Fox News they see “evidence of air and maritime movement into and out of Crimea by Russian forces” although the Pentagon declined to officially "characterize" the movement.

Agence France Press quoted a top Ukranian official as saying Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops have landed at a military air base near the regional capital of the restive Crimean peninsula.

"Thirteen Russian aircraft landed at the airport of Gvardeyskoye (near Simferopol) with 150 people in each one," Sergiy Kunitsyn, the Ukrainian president's special representative in Crimea, told the local ATR television channel, according to AFP. He accused Russia of an "armed invasion."

The new developments prompted Ukraine to accuse Russia of a "military invasion and occupation" -- a claim that brought an alarming new dimension to the crisis.

Russia kept silent on claims of military intervention, even as it maintained its hard-line stance on protecting ethnic Russians in Crimea, a peninsula of Ukraine on the northern coast of the Black Sea.

A spokesman for the Ukrainian border service said eight Russian transport planes have landed in Crimea with unknown cargo.

Serhiy Astakhov told The Associated Press that the Il-76 planes arrived unexpectedly Friday and were given permission to land, one after the other, at Gvardeiskoye air base, north of the regional capital, Simferopol.

Astakhov said the people in the planes refused to identify themselves and waved off customs officials, saying they didn't require their services.

Earlier in the day, Russian armored vehicles rumbled across Crimea and reports surfaced of troops being deployed at airports and a coast guard base – signs of a more heavy-handed approach to the crisis from Moscow.

Ukraine's U.N. ambassador Yuriy Sergeyev told the U.N. Security Council that Russian military helicopters and transport planes are entering his country, that neither major airport in Ukraine is under national control and that the main airport was "captured by Russian armed forces."

He claimed 11 Russian military helicopters had been brought in along with M-24 military transport planes.

Armed gunmen took control of the two main airports in Crimea Friday. However, Russia has so far been silent on the claims of military involvement. No violence was reported at the civilian airport in Crimea's capital of Simferopol or at the military airport in the Black Sea port of Sevastopol, also part of Crimea. At the Simferopol airport, a man claiming to speak for the camouflage-clad forces patrolling the airport described them as Crimean militiamen.

Meanwhile, ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych surfaced in Russia Friday, thundering defiantly against the “pro-fascist hooligans” who drove him from office.

Yanukovych warned of the dangers of “irresponsible Western policy” as he vowed to continue the fight for Ukraine’s future Friday at a press conference in Rostov-on-don, Russia—his first public appearance since last Saturday.

"I intend to keep fighting for the future of Ukraine against those who are using fear and terror to seize the country," he told reporters.

The fugitive leader said he was forced to leave Ukraine due to threats, Reuters reported. He blamed the country’s crisis on “irresponsible Western policy,” and said he trusted the "decency of Western mediators” when he signed a peace deal last week brokered by members of the European Union. But recent actions by the opposition run counter to the agreement, he said.

Yanukovych said he does not plan to ask Russia for military support in dealing with the crisis in Ukraine, where he said power was stolen by ``a bunch of radicals.”

"Fascist hooligans" have taken power in Ukraine, Yanukovych told reporters, according to the BBC.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:57 am

Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin is like a Soviet baddie from a Tom Clancy Cold War novel!

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_0 ... nvoy-2669/

When answering journalists’ questions about the presence of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea, Churkin said that Russia operates in the Crimea according to an agreement on the deployment of the Black Sea Fleet that was signed with Ukraine.

Russia's UN envoy also pointed to the agreement of 21 February as the key to resolving the Ukraine crisis.

“The best way to resolve the crisis is to look hard” at the agreement signed one week ago, said Vitaly Churkin, the Russian ambassador to the United Nations, in a news conference following the emergency security council meeting.

When asked about Russia’s willingness to intervene militarily, Churkin laughed.
“Really, even the question is aggravating!” he said.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:49 am

Is it okay to villainize Putin, yet? :hrumph
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:58 am

FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:49 pm wrote:Is it okay to villainize Putin, yet? :hrumph


Whine, whine. :smallviolin: :uncertain:
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby Lord Balto » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:43 am

RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:58 am wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:49 pm wrote:Is it okay to villainize Putin, yet? :hrumph


Whine, whine. :smallviolin: :uncertain:


I hear no whining. Perhaps you are getting feedback from your headphones.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby Lord Balto » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:56 am


Color revolutions in the old form had become too obvious a scheme to be of further use. The concept was therefore extended to include intensive use of force and mercenaries and to support those forces from the outside with weapons, ammunition, training and other means. After Libya, where Gaddhafi forces are still fighting back, [b]Syria was destroyed and now the Ukraine is the target. There are likely lists of other countries that shall be attacked by such means. What is really behind the Gezi-park demonstrations in Turkey and the protests in Bangkok? Are foreign powers behind these too or are they just copycat actions by local groups? How does Egypt fit in?


This "all colored revolutions are the same" meme comes directly from Webster Tarpley, the LaRouchie and Russophile who thinks that nuclear power is a solution and that Malthus was wrong. Anyone who has watched the video coming from Yanukovych's palace knows who this character is. He's a crook who made his money through massive corruption.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:59 am

Lord Balto » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:43 pm wrote:
RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:58 am wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:49 pm wrote:Is it okay to villainize Putin, yet? :hrumph


Whine, whine. :smallviolin: :uncertain:


I hear no whining. Perhaps you are getting feedback from your headphones.


Nah, I'm definitely hearing the Sonata in Whine Minor, Opus 2. There's no truck given to Putin here, for fuck's sakes.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:18 am

Bullshit. There's plenty of fucking truck given.
How can you be blind to the general pro-Russia-ness here?
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby parel » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:42 am

Pro-Russia leader of Crimea claims military control, appeals to Putin for assistance

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SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine — Crimea’s pro-Russian leader on Saturday claimed control of the military and police in the region, saying that soldiers from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet are guarding government buildings now and that his government is coordinating directly with them.

On Saturday morning, armed men in helmets and green fatigues replaced local police in front of the regional parliament building, and Prime Minister Serhiy Aksyonov appealed to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin for help maintaining “peace and tranquility.”


The move comes amid growing pressure on the radicals from rival rebel groups.

Associated Press 6:59 AM ET

Later in the day, Putin asked the upper house of the Russian parliament for permission to send in troops, although he did not say he would actually order their deployment.

“I’m submitting a request for using the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine pending the normalization of the socio-political situation in that country,” Putin said.

Earlier, Moscow politicians had been moving in what appeared to be well-choreographed steps after the request from Aksyonov.

First, Sergei Naryshkin, speaker of the lower house, said Russian lawmakers had appealed to Putin “to take measures to stabilize the situation in Crimea and use all available means to protect the people of Crimea from tyranny and violence.”

Then came Valentina Matviyenko, chairman of the upper house.

“Perhaps in this situation we could grant the Crimean government’s request,” she said, “and send a limited contingent there to provide security for the Black Sea Fleet and Russian citizens living in Crimea.”

She said the decision was up to Putin, but added, “We should protect the people.”

[READ: To understand Crimea, take a look back at its complicated history]

Aksyonov, who became prime minister Thursday, belongs to the Russian Unity party in Crimea, which won about 4 percent of the vote in the last parliamentary election. In making his plea, Aksyonov noted that Ukraine’s central government does not control the situation in the region, as evidenced by the “unidentified” armed men and military equipment that have become so visible.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said “unidentified gunmen directed from Kiev” had tried to capture the Crimean Interior Ministry headquarters. Calling the attempt a “treacherous provocation” that had resulted in casualties, Moscow said that “decisive action” had repelled the “vigilante groups.”

“This confirms the desire of prominent political circles in Kiev to destabilize the peninsula,” the Foreign Ministry said, in a statement posted on its Web site. “We encourage those who give such orders from Kiev to show restraint. We believe it is irresponsible to continue whipping up the already tense situation in the Crimea.”

But there seemed to be little evidence to support the allegation that such an attack had taken place.

Igor Aveytskiy, who was named by the Kiev government to serve as chief of Crimea’s national police, said in an interview that “all was peaceful” at the Ministry of Internal Affairs building Friday night.

“Conditions are good. The situation is under control,” he said, though he would not answer questions about Russian troops.

Members of a pro-Russia self defense militia in front of that building said there were no violent clashes. “It’s all rumors, all lies,” said Mikhail Amirov, who works at an Internet cafe and was standing guard at the Interior Ministry headquarters Friday night.

Heightened Russian military activity in Crimea on Friday prompted a stern warning from President Obama and a deepening sense of crisis among the leaders of the new Ukrainian government in Kiev.

U.S. officials said Russian troops had entered Crimea, and Obama told reporters Friday evening that he was “deeply concerned by reports of military movements” and that there “will be costs for any military intervention.”

Earlier in the day, the new Ukrainian government said that hundreds of soldiers in green camouflage, without insignia but carrying military-style automatic rifles, had taken over two airports in Crimea. Regularly scheduled flights continued, at least until nightfall, when the airspace above Crimea, a region of Ukraine with deep ties to Russia, was suddenly declared closed.

Internet videos of Russian military helicopters flying over Crimea’s muddy winter fields went viral Friday. Russian IL-76 planes suspected of carrying 2,000 troops landed at a military base in Gvardiysky, near the regional capital of Simferopol, according to Crimea’s ATR television.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry said Moscow had informed Ukraine that it would be moving armored units from its Black Sea navy base in the city of Sevastopol deeper into Crimean territory to protect its operations.

In his remarks, Obama avoided confirming the Russian military movements. But U.S. officials said that confirmation of an influx of troops had prompted the president to speak.

“Any violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interests of Ukraine, Russia or Europe,” Obama said.

Whether the Russians were coming, or already here, consumed an anxious new government in Kiev and the residents of Crimea.

The armed men at the airports refused to answer any questions. Residents and outside experts speculated that they might be local paramilitaries, security contractors or even members of an anti-riot police unit that was blamed for the deaths of protesters who packed Kiev’s Independence Square in recent months, leading to the ouster last week of President Viktor Yanukovych. The unit, called the Berkut, was disbanded by the Ukrainian parliament this week and then welcomed to Crimea as heroes.

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The men also could have been Russian troops, including members from special anti-terrorist squads used to protect Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, which is anchored here. Units from the Russian fleet are often seen on the highways here.

The Ukrainian parliament demanded that Russia halt what lawmakers described as violations of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

“What is happening can be called an armed invasion and occupation. In violation of all international treaties and norms. This is a direct provocation for armed bloodshed in the territory of a sovereign state,” said Arsen Avakov, Ukraine’s new interior minister.

The U.N. Security Council held an emergency, closed-door meeting Friday in response to a request from Ukraine’s U.N. ambassador, Yuriy Sergeyev, who cited “the deterioration of the situation” in Crimea.

The U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, declined to provide numbers or specific locations of Russian deployments. Sergeyev told the Security Council that there had been an “illegal crossing [of] the borders by Russian military transport aircraft IL-76, about 10 of them, and that 11 military attack helicopters had also violated Ukrainian air space.”

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) said in a statement Friday that “it appears that the Russian military now controls the Crimean peninsula.”

An administration official said options being considered by the United States and its European partners if the Russians do not pull back included canceling attendance at the June G-8 summit to be held in Sochi, site of the Winter Olympics, and rejecting Russian overtures for deepening trade and commercial ties. The official also cited an indirect impact on the value of the ruble.

There was no overt discussion of a Western military response. Asked what Ukraine wanted the international community to do, Sergeyev told reporters after the Security Council meeting: “We want you to help us bring the truth around the world. . . . Political support — do everything possible in insurance of preventive diplomacy. Still we have a chance to stop the negative developments . . . with strong voice around the world.”


The council decided to send a mediator to Ukraine and indicated that it may hold further meetings.

In a speech Friday evening, Ukraine’s interim president, Oleksandr Turchynov, accused Moscow of “trying to provoke” Kiev into an “armed conflict.”

Turchynov said the Russians were pursing an “Abkhazia plan,” suggesting that Moscow was interested in a reprise of its 2008 war with Georgia, where it wrested control of two breakaway republics, South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

But Ukraine is much larger — and far more complicated — perhaps requiring a more subtle strategy. That line of thinking led to speculation that Russia was encouraging loyal civilian ­forces to put on unmarked uniforms, take up arms and hold ground for Russian troops, should they be deployed.

Ukraine’s new leaders assert that troops from the Black Sea Fleet had also blocked entrances to Belbek’s dual civilian and military airport near Sevastopol.

A spokesman for the Black Sea Fleet denied the reports that its troops were involved, according to the Interfax news agency.

“No subdivision of the Black Sea Fleet has been advanced into the Belbek area, let alone involved in blocking it,” the spokesman said. “Given the unstable situation around the Black Sea Fleet ­bases in the Crimea, and the places where our service members live with their families, security has been stepped by the Black Sea Fleet’s anti-terror units.”

At the Belbek airport, armed men and a military transport truck blocked the entrance. Whoever the men were, they did not resemble the more motley civilian self-defense militias operating here. They were trained soldiers. When a man who appeared to be a Russian officer with two bodyguards approached them, they spread out in defensive, flanking positions, squatted, their fingers off the triggers, and waited for orders.

A convoy of armored personnel carriers stopped alongside a major highway here, and soldiers inside one of the vehicles said in a brief interview that they were Russian Federation troops, from a base in the Krasnodar region, about 300 miles to the east in Russia.


In the Balaklava district near Sevastopol, at least 20 men wearing the uniform of the Black Sea Fleet and carrying automatic rifles surrounded a Ukrainian border guard post Friday, initiating a tense standoff with the border police inside, Reuters news agency reported.

In Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin broke his week-long silence on Ukraine with a mixed message. He ordered Russian officials to consult with other nations as well as the International Monetary Fund on means of financial assistance for Ukraine. He also said that efforts to maintain and promote trade between Russia and Ukraine should continue.

At the same time, Putin said Moscow would consider the possibility of sending humanitarian supplies to Crimea.

[READ: Ousted Ukrainian president says he’s surprised by Putin’s silence]

Secretary of State John F. Kerry spoke Friday with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

“We raised the issue of the airports, raised the issue of armored vehicles, raised the issue of personnel in various places,” Kerry said. “And while we were told that they are not engaging in any violation of the sovereignty and do not intend to, I nevertheless made it clear that that could be misinterpreted at this moment, and that there are enough tensions that it is important for everybody to be extremely careful not to inflame the situation and not to send the wrong messages.”
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:00 pm

FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:18 pm wrote:Bullshit. There's plenty of fucking truck given.
How can you be blind to the general pro-Russia-ness here?


Nah, it just sounds like there's not enough ANTI-Russianness here for your tastes.

Show me an instance where Putin's fuckery is approved of here. That's right, there are none.

Some people seem to expect ritualistic denunciations of Putin's thugocracy everytime Russia is mentioned. That's just stupid and, ironically enough, Soviet Union-like.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:34 pm

RocketMan » 01 Mar 2014 11:00 wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:18 pm wrote:Bullshit. There's plenty of fucking truck given.
How can you be blind to the general pro-Russia-ness here?


Nah, it just sounds like there's not enough ANTI-Russianness here for your tastes.

Show me an instance where Putin's fuckery is approved of here. That's right, there are none.

Some people seem to expect ritualistic denunciations of Putin's thugocracy everytime Russia is mentioned. That's just stupid and, ironically enough, Soviet Union-like.


Bullshit. A lot of posters here show a clear, consistent favoritism toward Russia and by extension Putin, the instinct being to defend Russia and Putin from what is reflexively dismissed as American propaganda. A favoritism toward, well, any country perceived to be a rival of America. I mean, duh. I didn't think someone here would actually have the gall or the lack of awareness to dispute such an obviously-true characterization. This isn't so much an anti-fascist board as it is an anti-American board. Hence the failure of anyone to substantively dispute any of my posts in this thread. Over half the members here are terminal hypocrites when it comes to Russia, China, Iran, Communism, Islam, etc.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:38 pm

FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:34 pm wrote:
RocketMan » 01 Mar 2014 11:00 wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:18 pm wrote:Bullshit. There's plenty of fucking truck given.
How can you be blind to the general pro-Russia-ness here?


Nah, it just sounds like there's not enough ANTI-Russianness here for your tastes.

Show me an instance where Putin's fuckery is approved of here. That's right, there are none.

Some people seem to expect ritualistic denunciations of Putin's thugocracy everytime Russia is mentioned. That's just stupid and, ironically enough, Soviet Union-like.


Bullshit. A lot of posters here show a clear, consistent favoritism toward Russia and by extension Putin, the instinct being to defend Russia and Putin from what is reflexively dismissed as American propaganda. A favoritism toward, well, any country perceived to be a rival of America. I mean, duh. I didn't think someone here would actually have the gall or the lack of awareness to dispute such an obviously-true characterization. This isn't so much an anti-fascist board as it is an anti-American board. Hence the failure of anyone to substantively dispute any of my posts in this thread. Over half the members here are terminal hypocrites when it comes to Russia, China, Iran, Communism, Islam, etc.


Your views have been noted what must be at least a thousand posts ago. Now what's left is

:deadhorse:

I can't believe you just played the "anti-Americanism" card. But it's good you did, I suspected you were one of those anyway.

You're just unhappy that the board does not conform to your leanings. Like I said, it has been made abundantly clear, so why not give it a rest, it's boring. At least maybe not bang on about it on every. Fucking. Thread. Plus a few self-created ones.

All the more reason to because by your own account you stand victorious, as no one has apparently managed to "substantively dispute" anything you say. Take a few victory laps, go crazy, just stop flooding the board.
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Re: Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine - Color Revolution By Force

Postby FourthBase » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:46 pm

But it's good you did, I suspected you were one of those anyway.


Reported, because it violates something, whatever the fuck you possibly mean.

Your "dead horse" angle is bizarre.
I hardly ever bring this shit up.
You are straight-up lying.
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