Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

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Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:03 am

Thought a separate thread was in order at this stage.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has asked his upper house of parliament to approve the deployment of Russian troops in Ukraine, the Kremlin says.

It follows discussions by the lower and upper house on ways to "stabilise" the situation in Ukraine's Crimea region, where many ethnic Russians live.

Earlier, the Ukrainian defence minister said Moscow had already deployed some 6,000 extra troops to Crimea.

Kiev has accused Moscow of deliberately trying to provoke a confrontation.

President Putin submitted the request "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine and the threat to the lives of Russian citizens", the Kremlin said.

He asked the upper house - which constitutionally must approve such a motion - for Russian armed forces to be used "until the normalisation of the political situation in that country".

Crimea is largely Russian-speaking and is home to Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

Earlier, the newly-elected pro-Moscow leader of Crimea appealed to Mr Putin for help to ensure peace on the peninsula - a request that would "not leave unnoticed" the Kremlin said at the time.

It follows days of military activity in Crimea during which unidentified, but believed to be pro-Russian, armed men moved in to take over the regional parliament, state television and telecommunications hubs.

Witnesses also spoke of seeing a build up of Russian armoured vehicles and troops in the area.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:04 am

you could at least put the start of WWIII in the headline :

Third World War to begin during Winter Games in 2014
25.03.2011

On March 24, well-known Russian astrologists, shamans and parapsychologists gathered to discuss forecasts for near and distant future.

"The phenomenon that they call the world financial crisis, and which, as they believe, is now ending, was not the financial crisis per se. It was just an omen of the imminent crisis. The real financial crisis is going to take place in the future," astrologist Aleksei Kolov said in the beginning of the meeting.

The most impressive astrological forecast was made by Pavel Globa: "Many attack me now claiming that I was promising Russia a quiet year. What kind of quiet year is it if earthquakes rattle Japan. But Japan is not Russia. There will be wars in the world this year, but everything will be fine in our country, except for the summer. The summer is going to be tough: there will be three eclipses in a row in June-July. This year, there will be six eclipses in total. We had such a catastrophic year as this one 20 years ago, when the Soviet Union collapsed," the astrologist said.

Eclipses will cause a lot of trouble this year, Globa warned. By the moment of the latest one, which is going to take place on December 10, armed conflicts will occur on the Balkans. Terrorists will plant a bomb at the Nobel Prize award ceremony.

According to Globa, this year can be compared to 1939 - the year preceding WWII, from the point of view of astrological data.

The participants of the meeting also unveiled the date for the beginning of Third World War. The new war is said to begin in March of 2014, during the Olympic Games in Sochi. It is also possible that the war may start five days after the Games end. Globa did not say in which country exactly the war would begin. He only said that the African revolutions would slowly be moving towards Russia. Massive protests will eventually spark in Central Asia, the astrologist said. According to Globa, such events are happening because of the Black Moon. NATO attacked Libya the day when the Black Moon allied itself with the sun. When the Black Moon allied itself with Uranus, the Japanese earthquake occurred.

In the nearest future, one shall expect revolutions in Syria and Yemen. The Yemeni leader will be toppled only in three years, though. Algeria will be the luckiest country among them all: the riots there will not last long.


"I studied the horoscopes of the leaders of all countries of the region. The Algerian president is the only leader who has no charisma at all. By the way, his birthday is the same day with Gorbachev - March 2nd, 1931. He will leave peacefully. They'll even give him a yacht and a villa. There will be no revolution in Algeria. As for Gaddafi's fate, the problem is that no one knows his birth date - it's either 1937 or 1940 or 1942. If he was born on June 7 indeed, he will die on his birthday - there is an eclipse just near that date. But I don't believe that he is a Gemini. He acts like an Aquarius. Newspapers have recently written that he is a son of a French pilot, they even published a photo of the pilot. I saw the photo - they both look the same indeed," Pavel Globa said.

Parapsychologist Larisa Vais did not predict anything positive either.

"It's going to be a long spring, the summer will be hot, six-fingered children and beasts will be born. I saw it inside of me," she said.

The parapsychologists also saw (inside of her as well, apparently) that the "supreme commander-in-chief" is already looking for his successor. The successor's name will start with a letter 'K'. Larisa Vais said that such visions had never tricked her before. Back in 1996, Larisa saw a Ukrainian woman with a braid. The parapsychologist even mentioned that in one of her interviews to a well-known Russian journalist during those years.

Now Larisa Vais can see a woman as well. This woman, Vais said, would be ruling Russia from behind the back of her husband, the president.

Speaking about global problems, Larisa Vais said that Japan would suffer from other mammoth earthquakes. "A lot of people will die on the planet this year," she said.
Andrei Dondukov, a shaman from Tuva Republic, said that the year 2009 marked the beginning of the era of Yamaraj, the god of death. "Everyone will be held accountable for all they did. Death will be especially close on November 5," shaman said.

Dondukov confirmed Vais's predictions. According to him, men lost their true power a long time ago. "We are living in the era of pseudo-patriarchate. This era will soon end and matriarchate will return," he said.

Russia will survive this change of trend easily. Dmitry Medvedev will remain the nation's ruler. Medvedev is the man, whom Russian Buddhists recognized as the incarnation of female deity - White Tara.

When asked about Putin's role, Dondukov said that Putin is a fighter.

"Putin is a military man, and Medvedev does yoga. There are two types of men in general. One of them is the horizontal type - this is where military men refer to. There's also the vertical type of men - they aim for spiritual growth. Medvedev is a true czar, the Lord's Anointed. Putin is just a duke," shaman Dondukov said
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:09 am

I predict Russia will successfully invade and occupy the Crimean peninsula "to safeguard the people" and "ensure stability" and then say: "Well, whaddya gonna do about it?"

Possibly some sort of rubber stamp administration will then move to accept a Russian annexation of the territory, conceivably after some sort of more or less dodgy referendum.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5e71a73c ... z2uiL6g642

Russia has accused “prominent political circles in Kiev” of trying to violently seize control of the interior ministry in Crimea as the Ukrainian peninsula’s prime minister confirmed that the armed men guarding buildings and patrolling the streets were Russian soldiers, heightening fears of conflict in the majority Russian-populated region.

“In the night to 1 March, unidentified armed people who were sent from Kiev undertook an attempt to seize the building of the ministry of the interior. As a result of the treacherous provocation, there were casualties,” the Russian foreign ministry said. “Thanks to the decisive actions of self-defence units, the seizure […] could be averted.”

The ministry said the alleged incident confirmed the desire of prominent political circles in the Ukrainian capital to destabilise the situation.
There was no independent confirmation of this on Saturday.

The statement came as Russian news agencies reported that the Kremlin had assured the new Russia-friendly prime minister of Crimea of its support.

Sergey Aksyonov, whom the regional parliament appointed prime minister on Thursday as part of a series of pro-Russian moves, had sent an “appeal to Russian president Vladimir Putin to assist in maintaining peace and tranquillity in the territory of Crimea,” reported Interfax, Ria Novosti and Itar-Tass. They quoted the Russian presidential administration as saying Russia would not disregard the appeal.

Mr Putin’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr Aksyonov has moved up the autonomous region's referendum calling for a further break from Ukrainian rule from May 25, the scheduled date for Ukraine’s snap presidential elections, to March 30.

Ukraine’s newly appointed prime minister called upon Russia to “immediately pull back” its troops in Crimea and “not provoke”. Otherwise “responsibility for the stand-off will lie solely on the Russian side and personally on its leadership,” said Arseniy Yatseniuk.

“There is now in Crimea an inappropriate presence of Russian military forces . . . a violation of the base agreements for the temporary presence of the Russian Federation’s Black Sea Fleet on Ukrainian territory,” he said at a Saturday cabinet meeting.

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:45 am

The place to watch for live streaming is spiegel.de - the following is a comment just posted:

"I think we're wasting the president's time!" says a senator. Then they vote for Putin's Ukraine invasion unanimously http://t.co/jGIal2xJa6


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Comments in all languages, but live streaming is in German.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:58 am

Ukraine crisis in maps

The focus of the crisis in Ukraine has shifted from Kiev to the Crimea region, as Ukraine accuses Russia of carrying out an armed invasion by sending naval forces to occupy Sevastopol airport.

Another Crimean airport, Simferopol, has also been occupied by armed men, thought to be pro-Russia militia.
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Strategic importance
The majority Russian-speaking Crimea region is of political and strategic significance to both Russia and Ukraine.

Russia's Black Sea Fleet has its historic base at Sevastopol. After Ukraine gained independence, a leasing agreement was drawn up to allow the fleet to continue operating from there.

In 2010, this lease was extended to 2042 in exchange for Russia supplying discounted natural gas
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Crisis overview
The crisis began in November 2013 when President Yanukovych's cabinet announced that it was abandoning an agreement that would strengthen trade ties with the EU. The government later sought closer co-operation with Russia.

Anti-government protesters, who supported closer ties with the EU, called for the resignation of President Yanukovych and early elections.

Kiev's central role
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Map of Kiev
There were protests across the country, but Kiev's Independence Square was at the heart of protests for three months.

Although peaceful for most of the time, bouts of violence injured hundreds and left more than 80 people dead.

As the violence escalated, the Ukrainian parliament voted to overthrow President Yanukovych and he fled over the border into Russia.

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But the divisions within Ukraine go back much further than recent events. The country has been torn between East and West since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and this is reflected in a cultural and linguistic divide.

Russian is widely spoken in parts of the east and south. In some areas, including the Crimean peninsula, it is the main language.

In western regions - closer to Europe - Ukrainian is the main language and many of the people identify with Central Europe.

This division is to some extent reflected in voting patterns. The areas where a significant proportion of people speak Russian almost exactly match those that voted for Mr Yanukovych in 2010.

EU and Russia
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Ukraine has economic ties to both the European Union and Russia.

Russian gas pipelines to Europe pass through the country - a fact made abundantly clear in 2006 when Russia briefly to cut supplies, sparking alarm in Western Europe.

The recent moves to reach a trade agreement with the EU again fuelled tensions with Moscow, which regards it as a step towards eventual EU membership.

Russia would prefer to halt Ukraine's closer integration with Europe in favour of boosting its own influence via a customs union.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:04 pm

Bill Neely itv :

Pro Russia crowds tell me they welcome Russian troops -"our protectors".Many also say they want #Crimea to be part of Russia, soon.


From Reuters, 5 minutes ago

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's upper house of parliament will ask President Vladimir Putin to recall Moscow's ambassador from the United States, the chamber's speaker said on Saturday.

Valentina Matviyenko, the head of the Federation Council, asked the Council's Committee on Foreign Affairs to draw up a proposal setting out the demands to Putin.



Another great streaming site is

http://live.faz.net/Event/Krise_in_der_Ukraine

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:03 pm

WORLD
Moscow Seals Off Ukrainian Bases in Crimea
Kiev Says Attack by Radicals and Russian Troops Repulsed at One Base; Tense Calm at Others

Ukraine military bases were quickly surrounded and sealed off by Russian forces in Crimea on Saturday, as the Kremlin made preparations for a larger-scale landing of troops on the peninsula.

By Alan Cullison

SEVASTOPOL, Ukraine—Ukraine military bases were quickly surrounded and sealed off by Russian forces in Crimea on Saturday, as the Kremlin made preparations for a larger-scale landing of troops on the peninsula.

Ukraine’s ministry of defense said one of its bases was attacked “by radical forces and armed servicemen” of Russia’s Black Sea fleet on Crimea’s western coast, but they were repulsed. The statement didn’t say whether there were any casualties.

The Russians haven’t directly commented on the alleged attack, but they have said their troops in Crimea are strictly observing the agreement authorizing their deployment there.

Ukraine’s land and naval forces in Crimea are vastly outnumbered by Russia, which has based its Black Sea Fleet in the port city of Sevastopol. That has helped make Sevastopol a strongly pro-Russian city.

So on Saturday, as word spread that Russia would officially send more troops into Crimea, the promenade along the shore in the city center was alive strolling families, some waving Russian flags.

At the Ukrainian military bases, the last apparent vestige of Kiev’s authority in the region, the mood was more somber.

At the headquarters of the Ukrainian fleet, soldiers inside the compound were buttressing defenses, welding bars to permanently shut the black iron gates in front and moving massive concrete blocks directly behind them.

They then fixed yellow paper signs on the gate and in the barbed wire around the perimeter saying in Russian “Forbidden Zone, Entrance Closed.”

At Ukranian bases near Sevastopol, Russian troops were posted near the gates and were spread around the perimeters of several bases. When asked why they were there, officers replied they were providing security to the bases to stop any pro-Russian citizens who might try to take them.

At one base off Makarova Street near downtown Sevastopol, Russian troops used a military truck to block the entrance to the main gate. The Russians, clad in green, and the Ukrainians, clad in black, cradled heavy machine guns as they eyed each other through a gray painted wrought iron gate.

The troops besieging the base had no markings on their uniforms. Their commander, when asked if he could reveal their nationality, said “of course not.” Others admitted they were Russian.

Ukrainian officials at the base said the Russians were allowing food and provisions to be brought in. So far, the standoff had been “peaceful and quiet,” said the Ukrainian commander, who declined to give his name. “There is some element of them also preventing others from attacking us,” he said. By “others,” he was referring to armed Crimean civilians who reject authorities in Kiev.

At another base containing antiaircraft batteries in southern Sevastopol, Russians guarded the entrance and placed soldiers every few yards along its outlying walls. Though in the standoff, the two sides were congenial. Two Ukrainian officers stood outside drinking coffee with the Russian commander. “No, we have no problems here,” one said. “They are letting us in and out as we please for now.”
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:46 pm

The old warmonger on the job :
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/u ... 56416.html


Senator John McCain:

Deeply concerned that #Russia will expand its mil intervention in E. #Ukraine - Obama needs to impose "costs" now http://t.co/7V9kWZUme
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Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:10 pm

Much more information at the link.


Ukraine live: Security Council to meet tonight amid worsening crisis
The United Nations Security Council will hold an emergency meeting at 19.00 GMT, following Russia's green light for Vladimir Putin to use force in Ukraine. Vitali Klitschko urges "national mobilisation" in face of "Russian aggression" as violent protests break out in the east. All the latest news from Ukraine here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... oscow.html

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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby KeenInsight » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:28 pm

What is Russia to do, stand by while the U.S. and EU support the Neo-Nazi's and right-wing fascists openly in Ukraine?

Its the same shit all over again, and the U.S. even BOASTS about giving these fucking fascists billions of dollars... you know money that could have been education, healthcare, the poor, whatever, right here in the U.S.

And then McCain has the gall to come out and say, "Nuh-uh, we aren't supporting Fascists and Radicals." What the fuck, does he think we are stupid? Classic Goebbels BULLSHIT propaganda.

And yet there they are, at the forefront hijacking the "revolution" in Ukraine burning people's homes and generally acting like thugs, while openly admitting they hate Russians and Jews. They have been trying to overthrow countries democratic governments since the end of WW2, upwards of 50+ countries now. The U.S. Foreign policy does not give one shit about the people of Ukraine, all they care about is installing someone under their control to make them "u.s./EU" friendly for all the economic banksters to loot the country, making it another Greece or Hungary.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:46 pm

^^^^^

What he said. :thumbsup

(Although not sure where Hungary fits in in the present situation, but Greece certainly.) So depressing to see the paid-for pols, Merkel, Hague, Obama, and all the others as well as the unelected Nuland, Ashton, LaGarde reading their scripts, mouthing their threats, like good fascists should. So depressing to see so many women centerstage in fostering actions that could result in WW III.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:15 pm

Only thing I have to say is, dont pretend for a second that Russia has good intentions in this. Even if the Ukrainian revolution consisted of nothing but paragons of virtue Russia would still be making the same move. Its pure Geopolitics, dont give credit where it isnt due.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:27 pm

http://rt.com/news/donetsk-kharkov-ukraine-protest-365/

Thousands rally against 'illegitimate govt', raise Russian flags in eastern Ukraine


Thousands of pro-Russian demonstrators across eastern Ukraine and Crimea are protesting against the new government, with administration buildings being seized in several cities. Gunshots have been reported as anti- and pro-Maidan protesters clash.

Protesters in Kharkov and Donetsk stormed local government offices and removed Ukrainian flags, replacing them with the Russian tricolor on Saturday.

Between 7,000 to 10,000 demonstrators gathered in the center of Donetsk, a large industrial city in eastern Ukraine. Reportedly, protesters seized the regional administration building. While a group of demonstrators were storming the building from the central entrance, a crowd in Lenin Square in front of it kept chanting “Russia!”
The participants of the rally were demanding to hold a referendum on the future of the region, and particularly, on the status of Russian language.

Later in the day, Donetsk City Council held an extraordinary session and approved an idea of holding a referendum on the future fate of the Donetsk region. The council also supported the initiative on setting up municipal militia squads to protect citizens from possible aggression by radical nationalists, reported Itar-Tass. Additionally, authorities decided to introduce Russian as a second official language in the region.

The City Council refused to recognize the legitimacy of the government in Kiev and declared itself the only legitimate body in the city, according to ZN.UA.

The decisions were read out to the crowd of demonstrators, who praised the move.

Earlier, according to a local news portal, a scuffle occurred between Party of Regions supporters and the so-called Volunteers’ Crops commanded by activist Pavel Gubarev, who was spontaneously proclaimed “regional governor.” Addressing the crowd, Gubarev said the authorities in Kiev were illegitimate and called for establishing popular rule. He then urged demonstrators to set up a peaceful protest camp in front of the regional government’s office.

In Kharkov, the largest city in eastern Ukraine, pro-Russian protesters managed to break through the cordon of Maidan supporters and captured the government building. The storming was accompanied by clashes and shooting, RBC daily reported.


More at the link which has photos showing the huge pro Russia crowds demonstrating in eastern Ukraine.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby justdrew » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:42 pm

I see no reason why that region should be dragged along with the mob-dominated region. The street mobs, aided with millions of western dollars and training subverted the legitimate electoral process. Mob Rule is not acceptable. You never know when the next mob will form or who they'll be. Or who this one is. now if yanukovich started stealing elections, that would be a different thing. The entire desire to suck up to the EU is pathetic and ill-advised. It's not either/or, they need to trade in both directions, obviously. Russia and the Russian leaning regions are perfectly within their rights to defend their interests and security against a disorganized mob, who were using the same violent tactics they accuse the legitimate government of.

All of a sudden governments have no right to put down by force violent mobs seeking to control civil society? Bullshit. None of you want that. Think about it. Next week it could be Aryan Nations "protests" in DC.
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Re: Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:12 pm

KeenInsight » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:28 pm wrote:And yet there they are, at the forefront hijacking the "revolution" in Ukraine burning people's homes and generally acting like thugs, while openly admitting they hate Russians and Jews. They have been trying to overthrow countries democratic governments since the end of WW2, upwards of 50+ countries now. The U.S. Foreign policy does not give one shit about the people of Ukraine, all they care about is installing someone under their control to make them "u.s./EU" friendly for all the economic banksters to loot the country, making it another Greece or Hungary.


That's not the main purpose, though it is a definite bonus. Look at the map, look at where the Ukraine is, everyone focusses on the second part of "geo-strategic" when the first part always dictates the significance of the second....

When in doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a map, where are raw materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a map of civil wars and conflicts on top of that --they coincide. The same is the case with the third map: nodal points of the drug trade.
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