Egypt - Return of the deep state

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Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:41 pm

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Why torture the innocent?

Daily News Egypt / February 23, 2014

By Wael Eskandar


Why would the regime arrest and torture someone if they didn’t do anything wrong or if they can prove their innocence?

Such a question seems to be a common logical retort by many Egyptians in response to accusations that the regime, personified in its security and judiciary bodies, carries out gross injustices such as random arrests, assault, torture, beatings, illegitimate detention, sexual assault and killing. At first glance it seems to cast a shadow over irrefutable evidence that the regime is indeed torturing many of its citizens, including the innocent. That is why we must remind ourselves of reality and attempt to answer that question: Why would the regime torture the innocent?

Perhaps the answer to this question is best illustrated in the 1979 film, ‘We’re the bus guys’ where two people are arrested after a fight with the ticket collector on a bus. They are taken to police headquarters and mistakenly transferred with political prisoners to a torture camp. They defend themselves by explaining that there must be some kind of mistake – that they’re the bus guys – but no one cares to listen. The warden doesn’t care either, he doesn’t necessarily disbelieve them but he’s under orders to get confessions out of all prisoners, after all, it’s not like the other political prisoners are more criminal in any way. Torture and humiliation ensue in the name of the country and the reason they ended up there along with the political prisoners gets lost along the way.

The story is set between 1966 and 1967 and is based on true events. Back then, the mukhabarat, Egypt’s intelligence services, were dominant in dealing with political security matters. They told the guards – the torturers – it was necessary to lock these people up, they were enemies of the state and Egypt would triumph if they were held in prison. In 1967, after Egypt was defeated in the Six-Day War, one question haunted the torturers: “Why were we defeated if we locked all the bad guys in?”

The story of the bus guys is the story of the Egyptian regime post 1952 when the free officers enslaved an entire nation. Power was in the hands of a few self-seeking individuals who profiteered from their positions and constantly fought to retain them. It remains very similar to the story today.

The keys to the dynasty changed hands within security services, but the regime’s indifference – and perhaps even contempt for its citizens – carried over. Upon taking over, President Mohamed Anwar Sadat arrested old power brokers within the government in 1971 to empower himself and keep their followers from regaining ground. Sadat attempted to uphold Nasser’s previous promise to end the ‘intelligence state’ by reforming the security apparatus already notorious for its harsh oppressive practises.

Under Sadat, there were moments where such practises were reduced considerably but the targeting of political opponents remained focused and old security practises were revived at various times. Towards the end of Sadat’s reign, state security had been more empowered to deal with the country’s internal politics.

In 1981, officers within the military conspired with extremist Islamists and assassinated Sadat. When Hosni Mubarak became president, more power was granted to the police represented by state security, the sadistic arm of the Mubarak regime. This was partly due to the assassination of Sadat, which meant that the military was not immune to infiltration and that mukhabarat failed to uncover the plot to assassinate the president. Mubarak was also attempting to sideline Field Marshal Abdel-Halim Abu Ghazala, the defence minister at the time and a popular figure within the ranks of the military.

By the 1980s and 1990s, state security had become so strong that it replaced intelligence as the main driver of the political agenda. Along with other factors, shifting control to the Ministry of Interior allowed one ministry to become both the judge and executioner, and thereby, torture became systematic by spreading inside police stations and over a much wider range of offences not limited to the political.

Under the firm grip of either intelligence services or state security, citizens’ rights and their dignity are disregarded. The current security apparatus is not trained to serve the people, but the regime. But regimes aren’t human and perhaps that is why most members of the security apparatus are dehumanised. On a more practical level, those inflicting the torture are quite separated from those making the arrests; they are taught not to listen and to inflict pain no matter what words are uttered by their victims.

Another way to describe it is that the regime does not care how many innocent lives they destroy, but how many threats to the state are averted irrespective of the cost. There are bound to be a handful of threats amidst the thousands they have arrested and killed. In the end, torturers are not held accountable because orders come from the main agenda drivers who protect the state and, in many ways, are the state. In all likelihood they do not think that torturing innocent people is a mistake in the first place.

The state has been consistent in its approach but the more worrying aspect of today’s Egypt is the silence – and even blessing – in response to such practises. Many have not only turned a blind eye, but even blessed the brutality of the state and created excuses.

Perhaps it is as American philosopher Eric Hoffer says, “The most effective way to silence our guilty conscience is to convince ourselves and others that those we have sinned against are indeed depraved creatures, deserving every punishment, even extermination. We cannot pity those we have wronged, nor can we be indifferent toward them. We must hate and persecute them or else leave the door open to self-contempt.”

Many Egyptians today believe that the police state can help solve the current crisis by offering some sort of stability. Researchers Thomas Plate and Andrea Darvi described it best when they said, “The tragedy of the secret police solution is that it is such a blunt and crude instrumentality that in the name of preserving paradise it winds up creating hell. And when even the moderate critics of the regime are eliminated, incarcerated, exiled, or intimidated, the secret police machine rolls on … Enemies of the regime will be created even if real enemies have long since ceased to exist.”

In the end, the answer to the question as to why the regime would chose to torture the innocent is found in the question itself. It’s because the regime chooses the immoral act of torture in the first place. It is because the security apparatus that is violating the law also controls who is to be held accountable for violating the law. It is because the regime doesn’t really care.

The fact of the matter is that we’re all the bus guys. To be subjected to grave injustice is just a matter of chance. It does not help if you do everything right, abide by whatever laws you can, cheer for the police despite their injustices, or keep to yourself. Sooner or later, you or someone close to you will fall victim to these injustices. By that time, it will not matter to security forces if you had been protesting their rule or cheering them on.


Wael Eskandar is an independent journalist and blogger based in Cairo. He is a frequent commentator on Egyptian politics and has written for Ahram Online, Egypt Independent, Counterpunch, and Jadaliyya, among others. He blogs at notesfromtheunderground.net.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby solace » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:23 pm

"Help. They Broke My Arm. Egypt Police": Peace Activist Medea Benjamin Detained en Route to Gaza"Help. They Broke My Arm. Egypt Police": Peace Activist Medea Benjamin Detained en Route to Gaza"

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/4/he ... _arm_egypt


U.S. peace activist Medea Benjamin was detained Monday at Cairo’s airport by Egyptian police without explanation. She says she was questioned, held overnight in an airport prison cell and then violently handcuffed by Egyptian officials, who dislocated her shoulder and broke her arm. She was then put on a plane and deported to Turkey, where she is now seeking medical treatment. We speak to her by telephone from the airport medical facility. Benjamin had intended to meet up with international delegates before traveling to Gaza for a women’s conference.
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AMY GOODMAN: We turn now to U.S. peace activist Medea Benjamin, who was just detained at Cairo’s airport by Egyptian police. She was in Cairo to meet up with an international delegation before traveling to Gaza for a women’s conference, but she said she was detained upon arrival and held overnight before being deported to Turkey, where she’s now seeking medical treatment. Medea Benjamin joins us on the phone from Turkey.

Medea, how are you?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: Well, I’m in a lot of pain. I’ve gotten two shots of painkiller, but it’s not enough. They fractured my arm, dislocated my shoulder, tore the ligaments. They jumped on top of me. And this was all never telling me what was the problem. And so, it was a very brutal attack, and I’m in a lot of pain.

AMY GOODMAN: Explain what happened. You arrived at Cairo’s airport, and you were attacked there?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: No, I arrived at the airport. When I gave in my passport, I was taken aside, brought into a separate room, where I was held for seven hours without anybody ever telling me what was wrong. Then I was put into a jail cell in the airport, held overnight. And in the morning, five very scary-looking men came in and wanted to take me away. And I said, "The embassy is coming. The embassy is coming." They were supposed to have arrived. Instead, they dragged me out, tackled me to the ground, jumped on me, handcuffed my wrists so tight that they started bleeding, and then dislocated my shoulder, and then kept me like that, grabbing my arm. The whole way, I was shouting through the airport, screaming in pain. Then the—I demanded to get medical attention. The Egyptian doctors came and said, "This woman cannot travel. She’s in too much pain. She needs to go to the hospital." The Egyptian security refused to take me to a hospital and threw me on the plane. Thank God there was an orthopedic surgeon on the plane who gave me another shot and put the arm back in its shoulder. But they were so brutal, and, as I said, Amy, never saying why.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the U.S. embassy representative ever come to see you at the airport?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: No. Some of the delegates, including Ann Wright, who had already arrived for the Gaza delegation, had been calling the embassy non-stop. The CodePink people in D.C. were calling the embassy non-stop. They were always saying, "They’re supposed to show up. They’re supposed to show up." They never showed up. I was on the tarmac. The Turkish airline was forced to take me, but we delayed an hour while they were debating what to do. There were about 20 men there. And the embassy never showed up the entire time.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:58 pm

Egypt charges two 'Israeli agents', two Egyptians with spying
CAIRO Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:55am EST
(Reuters) - Egypt's public prosecutor charged on Tuesday two men it said were Israeli intelligence agents and two Egyptians with conspiring in Israel's interests, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office.

"The public prosecutor ordered Ramzy Mohamed, Sahar Ibrahim, Samuel Ben Zeev and David Wisemen - two officers in the Israeli Mossad - to be sent to a Cairo criminal court for spying for the interests of the state of Israel," the statement read.

The two Egyptians are already in jail pending investigation, the statement said.

The public prosecutor ordered the arrest of the two Israeli officers. It was not clear from the statement if the Israelis were in Egypt. There was no immediate reaction from Israel.

The Egyptians are accused of providing information about Egypt to the Israeli officers with "the intent of damaging national interests in exchange for money and gifts and sex."

It accuses Mohamed of "sleeping with women who work in Israeli intelligence." The Egyptian is also accused of recruiting the accused woman, Ibrahim, to work for Israeli intelligence.

The statement said that the two Egyptians had admitted that they had "committed the crime of spying for Israel" during investigations.


Money, Sex and Gifts in Israeli Espionage
Cairo, Feb 18 (Prensa Latina) The Egypcian Prosecutor General today sent to court two accused, a man and a woman, who have been accused of spying Israel in exchange for money, sex, and gifts, according to an official statement.

According to leaks, two officers of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, whose location has not been determined yet, are fugitives from the Egypcian justice.

The prosecutor referred to court Ramzy Mohammad, Zahar Ibrahim, both Egypcians and remand prisoners; Samuel Ben Zeev and David Wisemen, of Israeli nationality, so that they can be judged for spying for Israel, the statement indicates.

The Egypcian prisoners are accused of providing information with "the intention to damage their own country in exchange for money, gifts, and sex".

According to a reading between lines of the statement from the Prosecutor's Office, Mohammad had sexual intercourse with an Israeli woman to whom he gave information, which then was passed on to Mossad officers; the woman, Zahar Ibrahim, seems to have benefitted with gifts and cash.

The statement highlights that "during the investigations both Egypcians admitted to the crime of spying for Israel", a crime that in Egypt can be sanctioned even with death penalty.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:16 am

MEDEA BENJAMIN: No, I arrived at the airport. When I gave in my passport, I was taken aside, brought into a separate room, where I was held for seven hours without anybody ever telling me what was wrong. Then I was put into a jail cell in the airport, held overnight. And in the morning, five very scary-looking men came in and wanted to take me away. And I said, "The embassy is coming. The embassy is coming." They were supposed to have arrived. Instead, they dragged me out, tackled me to the ground, jumped on me, handcuffed my wrists so tight that they started bleeding, and then dislocated my shoulder, and then kept me like that, grabbing my arm. The whole way, I was shouting through the airport, screaming in pain. Then the—I demanded to get medical attention. The Egyptian doctors came and said, "This woman cannot travel. She’s in too much pain. She needs to go to the hospital." The Egyptian security refused to take me to a hospital and threw me on the plane. Thank God there was an orthopedic surgeon on the plane who gave me another shot and put the arm back in its shoulder. But they were so brutal, and, as I said, Amy, never saying why.


Why, oh why? she wails, bewildered and innocent. All she did, poor lamb, was to travel without a visa to a country wracked by terrorism orchestrated by her own country and in many cases carried out by foreign infiltrators, including from Gaza, and demand to be allowed to cross a border that has been closed for security reasons. She claims that she was attacked and beaten by "five very scary-looking men" without rhyme or reason; presumably because they are just evil. She says, "The whole way, I was shouting through the airport, screaming in pain." This is a large, busy international airport, but no witnesses saw or heard her screaming progress, and there is nothing to corroborate her story, or her injuries if there are any. "The Egyptian doctors" who could have, are unnamed and possibly made up.

The Egyptian authorities have only commented by issuing a statement that this American woman was attempting to enter Egypt, claiming to be headed toward Gaza, but that she was refused entry and deported; first, because she had no visa and second, because Egypt's sole border with Gaza is closed (Israel controls six entry points with Gaza). The government spokesman said straight out that she is a liar, that she was neither held against her will nor assaulted in any way, and that throughout the time that she claims she was imprisoned and beaten, she was in fact writing twitters and other things on her lap-top while awaiting the Turkish flight out of the country.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:14 pm

We got a fresh batch of them today. Once again, they arrived without visas and demanded to be allowed into Egypt, to go to the border with Gaza. As I mentioned earlier, the border is closed and indeed, most of northern Sinai, especially near the border of Israeli-occupied Palestine is currently a very dangerous military zone with bombs, IED's, and armed terrorists including foreign infiltrators, where hundreds of Egyptian soldiers and officers have been and continue to be killed and wounded.

The man is presumably a journalist for Youm 7; he asks the woman in Arabic: "How have you been treated?" She grudgingly answers, "With respect." She adds, "But they won't let us go to Gaza, and we want to go there." He asks her what her name is, and she says, "Nadia." He asks her, "Just Nadia?" and she says, "Yes." Then she complains that they're hungry. He offers to have food brought for them all, and asks how many there are. She ignores him and starts to turn away.

I've traveled quite a bit, especially to Europe and North America and frankly, my mind boggles to think what would happen to me if I acted the way these women did in any international airport. But they got away with it, whereas if they'd done the exact same thing in, say, Israel or in the US or in France or any other country I can think of, let alone if these countries were facing the kind of attacks Egyptians are, they'd have been arrested at the very least, and possibly much worse. And guess what: most sane people would note that they deliberately and provocatively broke the law, exhibited total contempt for Egypt's sovereignty and the airport authorities and deserved to bear the normal consequences of such behavior.

No doubt, had there not been a film crew, these charmers would have claimed all over CNN and to any other eager media megaphone, that they were tortured and otherwise abused. And they would probably have been believed, too.

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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby stefano » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:16 am

AlicetheKurious » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:14 am wrote:We got a fresh batch of them today.

Interestingly, one of them was Djamila Bouhired, a heroine of Algeria's war of independence and a very long-time Palestine activist. FWIW, she says she had never previously been asked for the kind of authorisation to travel to Gaza through Egypt as she was asked for this time. Right now, though, she is lending her name to an anti-Bouteflika movement in Algeria called Barakat, which looks very April 6-ish, so there's that.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:38 am

stefano » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:16 pm wrote:
AlicetheKurious » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:14 am wrote:We got a fresh batch of them today.

Interestingly, one of them was Djamila Bouhired, a heroine of Algeria's war of independence and a very long-time Palestine activist. FWIW, she says she had never previously been asked for the kind of authorisation to travel to Gaza through Egypt as she was asked for this time. Right now, though, she is lending her name to an anti-Bouteflika movement in Algeria called Barakat, which looks very April 6-ish, so there's that.


I hate to break it to you, stefano, but the reports claiming that Djamila Bouhired was one of them, and was turned back by the Egyptian authorities are yet more lies. Djamila is a huge heroine here in Egypt -- poems have been written about her, songs have been sung and movies have been made about her, so it would have been a big deal if someone of her stature among Egyptians had been denied entry for any reason. But she never arrived at Cairo Airport and she was never prevented from entering Egypt. Seriously, I advise you to readjust your bullshit meter, especially when approaching any "news" about Egypt: it's set far too low.

BTW, I couldn't access the article at the link you posted, without registering. It would be nice if you could copy and post the article or just the relevant segment.
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Postby stefano » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:00 am

AlicetheKurious wrote:BTW, I couldn't access the article at the link you posted, without registering. It would be nice if you could copy and post the article or just the relevant segment.


Sure:

Ghaza : L’Egypte refuse l’accès à Djamila Bouhired

Les autorités égyptiennes ont refoulé, hier, la moudjahida Djamila Bouhired et près de 80 femmes activistes de différentes nationalités qui tentaient, depuis mercredi, d’accéder à Ghaza via le passage de Rafah.

Un «non» catégorique de la part des autorités égyptiennes ; celles-ci exigent une autorisation préalable qui devait être déposée au niveau des ambassades égyptiennes dans les pays respectifs des activistes avant même leur arrivée au Caire, apprend-on de sources égyptiennes. L’Egypte, dans un communiqué du ministère des Affaires étrangères rendu public hier, a démenti «l’octroi d’une autorisation à ces activistes» et affirme que «l’Egypte avait expliqué, avant même l’arrivée de ce groupe de femmes, qu’il était nécessaire de reporter la visite, compte tenu de la situation sécuritaire tendue».

Le Caire veut, entre-temps, jouer la carte de la diplomatie. Ce communiqué, en fait, s’adresse directement à la moudjahida Djamila Bouhired pour lui assurer qu’elle est et sera «toujours la bienvenue dans son deuxième pays, l’Egypte, mais sa demande d’accéder à Ghaza ne peut en aucun cas être acceptée en l’absence d’une autorisation». «Djamila Bouhired, ajoute le même communiqué, a été, à deux reprises, invitée par les mêmes autorités, au lendemain de la révolution égyptienne, mais elle n’y a jamais répondu.»

Selon une source sécuritaire de l’aéroport du Caire, les autorités égyptiennes ont bloqué ces activistes dès leur arrivée, mercredi, et les ont tout de suite refoulées, l’une après l’autre, vers leurs pays d’origine, à savoir l’Algérie, la Belgique, la France, l’Autriche, la Suisse, la Grande-Bretagne, l’Irlande et les Etats-Unis. «Nous avons été auditionnées pendant huit heures par la police égyptienne avant qu’elle notifie son refus catégorique de nous permettre d’accéder à Ghaza», témoigne Mairead MacGuire, activiste irlandaise, âgée de 70 ans, et prix Nobel en 1976, dans une déclaration à la presse égyptienne. «Le régime égyptien insiste encore pour qu’il soit le régime le plus sale de l’histoire de l’Egypte.

Pourquoi ce régime refuse à des activistes dont une militante et une grande moudjahida comme Djamila Bouhired l’accès à Ghaza et leur demande d’y accéder par l’Israël. Il s’agit alors de leur collaborateur», dénonce Aïda Seif El Dawla, une militante égyptienne des droits de l’homme. En zone internationale à l’aéroport, un sit-in a été observé par ces femmes qui voulaient soutenir les Palestiniennes en répondant à leur appel, particulièrement les Ghazaouies, et en leur rendant visite à l’occasion de la Journée internationale de la femme.

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AlicetheKurious wrote:I hate to break it to you, stefano, but the reports claiming that Djamila Bouhired was one of them, and was turned back by the Egyptian authorities are yet more lies. [...] she never arrived at Cairo Airport and she was never prevented from entering Egypt. Seriously, I advise you to readjust your bullshit meter, especially when approaching any "news" about Egypt: it's set far too low.


I often get that impression too... But I have to get news from somewhere. I just re-read the above and don't see anything peculiar about it, and as a reader I have no way of evaluating the good faith of the "Egyptian sources" the journalist cites. El Watan is a privately owned Algerian paper that I've been reading for years and that I've never had reason to consider unreliable.

Here's a video showing Djamila Bouhired at Orly, with group of activists before it leaves for Cairo. On the video you see the same tall woman, Nadia, who appears in the clip you posted. At the end there's a caption saying that Bouhired is to take the plane for Cairo the next day (March 5), but just before that she's shown leaving the airport, and also from her interactions with the group, and what is said at the beginning, it seems more likely that the "trip" they talk about is just her flying from Algiers to Orly to greet them at the airport? The clip was posted by an account that uses the Rabea symbol and promotes the Barakat movement in Algeria, which has some funny aspects to it (that I hope to get round to discussing on here).



So it's entirely plausible that I, and most of the Algerian press (state-owned media reported the story too), fell for an MB propaganda op. But I can't do that kind of testing on every article I read, so, again, if you come across a generally sound news source for Egypt I'd very much appreciate hearing about it.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby Sounder » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:56 am

It seems quite sad sometimes, to consider how easily or often so many of us (all of us?) are being used for psy-op purposes.

or a certain something in us is getting used.

maybe its a major road to discrimination, I don't know, but it sure is a rocky road. :shrug:
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:39 pm

Sounder » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:56 pm wrote:It seems quite sad sometimes, to consider how easily or often so many of us (all of us?) are being used for psy-op purposes.

or a certain something in us is getting used.

maybe its a major road to discrimination, I don't know, but it sure is a rocky road. :shrug:


All of us. I'm still reeling from the discovery of just how much crap I've been fed by the media over so many years, and I considered myself quite the savvy skeptic. Just to cite one example, that Mavi Marmara thing that I was so worked up about a few years ago was largely a psyop orchestrated by Erdogan and Hamas and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to establish their creds as champions of the Palestinian people and enemies of Israel, and to position NATO member Turkey and Erdogan as the (fake) new "leader of the Arabs and Muslims". Turkey's regional popularity did indeed soar, as did Erdogan's (the reports that Turkey and Israel's mutual trade and military relations subsequently escalated and became even closer didn't make a dent in Erdogan's new image). Turkish products, Turkish retail chains and even dubbed Turkish soap operas flooded our markets, helping to fuel Turkey's economic boom. Turkey became a highly popular destination for Arab tourists, and many purchased summer homes there. As for the Muslim Brotherhood, that marked the beginning of a new defiance on the part of Egyptian media, which provided them with a lot of fawning exposure in violation of the government's ban. A lot of us fell for it, including many experienced journalists who have bitterly regretted it. And don't even get me started on the fakery about Syria, which many people didn't recognize until the exact same tricks were used against us. The very outrageousness of the lies, and the reputation for "respectability" of the sources make it almost impossible to appreciate just how much we are being coldly and professionally -- and totally -- manipulated.

«Le régime égyptien insiste encore pour qu’il soit le régime le plus sale de l’histoire de l’Egypte.


I want to use really bad language here, but I'll just steep in my own fury for a few minutes instead, then forget about it. Maybe she's just a deluded idiot, or maybe she's a @#@$%^&. Or maybe both.
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Postby Sounder » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:03 am

All of us. I'm still reeling from the discovery of just how much crap I've been fed by the media over so many years, and I considered myself quite the savvy skeptic.


I think we belong to the same club.


Just to cite one example, that Mavi Marmara thing that I was so worked up about a few years ago was largely a psyop orchestrated by Erdogan and Hamas and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to establish their creds as champions of the Palestinian people and enemies of Israel, and to position NATO member Turkey and Erdogan as the (fake) new "leader of the Arabs and Muslims". Turkey's regional popularity did indeed soar, as did Erdogan's (the reports that Turkey and Israel's mutual trade and military relations subsequently escalated and became even closer didn't make a dent in Erdogan's new image). Turkish products, Turkish retail chains and even dubbed Turkish soap operas flooded our markets, helping to fuel Turkey's economic boom. Turkey became a highly popular destination for Arab tourists, and many purchased summer homes there. As for the Muslim Brotherhood, that marked the beginning of a new defiance on the part of Egyptian media, which provided them with a lot of fawning exposure in violation of the government's ban. A lot of us fell for it, including many experienced journalists who have bitterly regretted it. And don't even get me started on the fakery about Syria, which many people didn't recognize until the exact same tricks were used against us. The very outrageousness of the lies, and the reputation for "respectability" of the sources make it almost impossible to appreciate just how much we are being coldly and professionally -- and totally -- manipulated.



Your input is always refreshing Alice as you consistently pack good doses of information and perspective while effectively addressing any post you are responding too.

These are difficult issues, and not conducive to backslapping parties.

I hope you don’t mind if I take a moment to contrast your demeanor and content with a mutual irritant we share. When a person can include an example of having been wrong it speaks to that person’s humanity. It shows actual respect for the subject (Palestine) rather than some simple minded identification with the ‘cause’.

People that are never wrong, in their own eyes, are not to be trusted. The reason is simple; self-righteousness has always been a prime source for abuse of power. By this time though I am enjoying the irritant because the contrast between what he says and what he does becomes clearer day by day. His vain attempts to keep multiple threads on top of the hit list is bound to backfire because while the reader consciously supports much of what is said, there exist a sub-conscious nagging that sees manipulative ulterior motives.

Yes, all of us fall for manufactured and contrived narratives.

My contention is that because this subject is most studiously avoided by certain people, it stands as a necessary area for examination.



The very outrageousness of the lies, and the reputation for "respectability" of the sources make it almost impossible to appreciate just how much we are being coldly and professionally -- and totally -- manipulated.


Yes, -almost impossible to appreciate, perhaps because our cultural framework equates manipulation with success. Our unconscious has been programmed to accept manipulation and coercion as a norm. Cracking that cookie will require more than picking which 'team' one chooses be on so as to do battle with 'the bad guys'.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:42 pm

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/17 ... death-in-m

529 Brotherhood Supporters Sentenced to Death in Minya

Mar 24 2014
by Mada Masr


Minya Criminal Court in its second session sentenced 529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters to death for violence following the dispersal of the Rabea al-Adaweya and Nahda sit-ins last August.

The defendants were handed down the sentences for storming and burning the Matay police station in Minya, killing a police officer, attempting to kill two others, stealing weapons and releasing inmates, state-owned newspaper Al-Ahram reported.

A report by the Associated Press said that more than 400 defendants in the case were tried in absentia, quoting defense lawyer Khaled al-Koumi.

The sentence is awaiting the grand mufti's ratification. The Minya Criminal Court will issue the final verdict on 28 April, Al-Ahram reported, following the mufti’s ratification.

Ahmed Shabeeb, a member of the defense team on the case, told Mada Masr that they will appeal the verdict.

He described the ruling as a “judicial fumble that will not be forgiven.”

“We do not even consider it a ruling,” he told Mada Masr, “it does not carry the truth, it wastes it and conceals it.”

Local media reported that this is the largest number of defendants handed down death penalties in Egypt’s modern history.

Seventeen others were acquitted in the case.

Sherif Agaiby, an activist from Minya, told Mada Masr that there were minor skirmishes outside the court by defendants’ families following the verdict, but that security forces soon dispersed them.

He added, however, that the ruling has sewed panic among residents in Minya, with parents rushing to schools to pick up their children in anticipation of a possible backlash by Muslim Brotherhood supporters.

Earlier state media reported that protesters set fire to a school in Minya, however this report was quickly denied by the Interior Ministry, MENA reported.

On Tuesday the same court will start trying 683 defendants facing similar charges, including Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Mohamed Badie.

Defense lawyers had filed a case against the presiding judge Said Youssef for turning down a request to postpone the case and allow time to review case documents, which is in violation of the law, state-owned news agency MENA reported.

Shabeeb questioned how the court could reach a verdict in a case with over 4,000-page documents in just forty-five minutes, citing several irregularities that occurred during today’s as well as Saturday’s court hearing, including not listening to all witnesses’ testimonies.

On Saturday, when the first hearing for the case took place, Shabeeb said the judge vowed that he would rule on the case in the next session, ignoring requests by the defense team to stand before another court, which would have suspended any ruling in the case.

He added that the judge on Saturday had asked security to surround the bench, preventing anyone from approaching it.

Shabeeb lamented that the “those who insult and violate the law are the judiciary themselves.”

Nonetheless, he explained that the defense team can only resort to the law and will appeal the verdict.

"This is the first time in my information in history to have this number of people sentenced to death in the same case, after almost no hearings and with such an imbalance in the number of victims. It is a catastrophe," Gamal Eid, lawyer and executive director of the Arab Network for Human Rights Information (ANHRI), told Mada Masr.

"Even though there can be appeals and processes through which the ruling may change, the disaster will remain that there was a judge who issued this ruling after a quick hearing."

Eid called the ruling "political but also a stupid political move," one that could be seen as a "gain" for the Brotherhood. "This will be used to show how Egypt is associated with the lack of any proper judiciary," he claimed.

Eid added that ANHRI has lawyers defending Muslim Brotherhood political prisoners on other cases but not on this one. "We have that many lawyers and countless cases. We cannot handle all of them."

A wave of violence gripped Minya after former President Mohamed Morsi was forcibly removed from power. Violence then spiked after the August dispersals. The governorate’s churches and Christian residents have repeatedly come under attack, on top of state institutions.

Hundreds were arrested in the governorate following the dispersals on 14 August.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:38 am

The MB's global PR machine has been running crazy with this one, and it's been picked up by every ignorant, lazy or malicious (witting or unwitting) collaborator in their manipulative lies designed to make these rabid wolves appear to be helpless lambs. I checked in here this morning because I just knew that someone like American Dream would gobble it up and invite others to share.

More disinfo. One clue? Those who are quoted in the article are either from the defense or, like the ubiquitous Gamal Eid, from shady George Soros front organizations like ANHRI, or an "activist", etc.

In fact, nobody has yet been sentenced in this case. I'm not sure how the US system works, but I think first you have a Grand Jury that hears the preliminary evidence and decides whether to indict. Again, I'm not sure, but the Grand Jury also decides if this is a capital case, i.e. if the severity of the crime warrants the death penalty if the defendant is found guilty. This does not mean that the defendant will necessarily be sentenced to death if found guilty, but that the judge has this option.

In Egypt, there are three judges who weigh the preliminary evidence. If they believe that the crime is severe enough to warrant a possible death penalty, they turn the evidence over to the Grand Mufti's office. There, it is examined and the Mufti responds with an opinion based on Islamic jurisprudence, either agreeing or disagreeing that this is a capital crime. This is what's happened so far. The court has turned the evidence over to the Mufti's office, indicating that it believes that the charges are severe enough to warrant a possible death sentence if the defendants are found guilty.

The Mufti's opinion is not binding. In any case, the Mufti also has the option of not responding at all. After a certain deadline (in this case, if I'm not mistaken April 28), the court proceeds to hear the detailed evidence, the prosecution and defense present their arguments, a verdict is reached, and the sentence issued. The sentence can be appealed, more than once, then a final verdict and sentence are handed down.

In this case, the crime itself was pretty horrific. In mid-August 2013, in the town of Minya, in Egypt's South (Upper Egypt), following the dispersal of the terrorist camps in a suburb of Cairo, a large mob of armed fanatics went on a rampage of terror. For around three days, they burned Christian homes, businesses, 10 churches, and schools. They destroyed a museum of ancient Egyptian antiquities, desecrating mummies and smashing irreplaceable artifacts thousands of years old. They murdered 15 police officers and 40 civilians, including some who were burned alive in their homes or churches, and wounded 448 innocent people. They looted and torched the police station.

The hopelessly outnumbered and out-weaponed police did not shoot, probably in order to avoid provoking the bloodthirsty mob. It didn't do any good. One officer, Mustafa Al-Attar, was shot, savagely beaten and left barely alive. Some people managed to get him to the hospital; he was placed in an examination room where he remained unconscious. One of the doctors, a member of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood, went out of the hospital and called out to the mob, inviting them to enter the hospital and "finish him off". The hospital was overrun by the terrorists, who murdered the helpless officer in cold blood and proceeded to vandalize the hospital.

All of this was premeditated and organized in advance. The Muslim Brotherhood had explicitly threatened to unleash a nation-wide wave of terrorism against the Egyptian people and against the Egyptian state (to "burn Egypt") if they were removed from power. Their cadres were poised and waiting for the signal to terrorize and take over entire towns, especially in Upper Egypt. The plan was to cut entire towns and cities and regions off from the Egyptian state, where they would establish their reign of terror, similarly to what the US-backed terrorists of Al-Qaeda and ISIS have done in Syria and Iraq.

There is a tremendous amount of evidence in this case, which documents the threats, identifies the murderers, and shows the crimes being perpetrated. All that being said, 420 of the defendants have escaped. They are being sought by the authorities, but it's almost certain that they've escaped abroad, probably to Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan or any of the other countries where the Muslim Brotherhood/Al-Qaeda/ISIS have bases.

Back to our court case: according to Egyptian law, defendants can be tried in absentia, but once they've been apprehended, they must be tried all over again, with one proviso, that the severity of their sentence can not be greater than the one they received in their previous trial. So if someone was tried in absentia, and received a 10-year prison sentence, once he/she is arrested and re-tried, they can be found innocent or sentenced to prison -- up to but not exceeding --10 years.

Therefore, in this case, of the defendants who are present, 17 have already been found not guilty and released. The evidence against the others is compelling enough to keep them in custody and proceed with their trial. Should they be found guilty as charged, the court will have the option of sentencing them to death. As for the 420 or so who remain at large, IF and WHEN they are caught, they will be tried and once again, IF the Mufti issues a decision that this is a capital crime, and IF they are found guilty as charged and IF the court chooses to accept the Mufti's decision, it will be possible to sentence them to death, AFTER the appeals process has been exhausted.

I know the truth is so much more complicated, and it's so much easier to just gulp down the screaming headline "EGYPTIAN COURT SENTENCES 529 MUSLIM BROTHERS TO DEATH!!!!" And of course, that's what the terrorists and their ignorant and/or complicit propagandists rely on.
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby cptmarginal » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:24 pm

Thanks for the ongoing details and perspective on all of this, it's really appreciated :angelwings:
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Re: Egypt - Return of the deep state

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:27 pm

In this case, the crime itself was pretty horrific. In mid-August 2013, in the town of Minya, in Egypt's South (Upper Egypt), following the dispersal of the terrorist camps in a suburb of Cairo, a large mob of armed fanatics went on a rampage of terror. For around three days, they burned Christian homes, businesses, 10 churches, and schools. They destroyed a museum of ancient Egyptian antiquities, desecrating mummies and smashing irreplaceable artifacts thousands of years old. They murdered 15 police officers and 40 civilians, including some who were burned alive in their homes or churches, and wounded 448 innocent people. They looted and torched the police station.

People that cover up for this kind of wanton destruction, while painting a picture of a vengeful state, are working a banker agenda.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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