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Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:05 pm

Dick Cheney: Even bigger monster than you thought
Listen to the man with a taxpayer-funded new heart wax indifferent to the life of his donor


You’ve probably heard that Dick Cheney agrees with Bill Clinton about letting people who are losing private insurance keep their old plans, as President Obama repeatedly seemed to promise they could. That’s not surprising: Cheney is a troll who maligns the president whenever he can, and piling on with Clinton is a special kind of fun. Yes, it’s outrageous that a man who has enjoyed many millions of dollars of taxpayer-funded medical care doesn’t give a damn about the uninsured in our society, but that’s Dick Cheney.

Still, I was a little startled to hear the former vice president express total indifference to questions about his heart donor in a revealing interview with Larry King (it airs Thursday night; here’s a clip). It’s a window into his utter entitlement and self-absorption, and he comes off as an even bigger monster than I’d thought. Most people would at least feign interest in the donor; Cheney can’t manage it.

When King asks if he knows the identity of the person whose heart keeps him alive, Cheney, who is promoting a book about his transplant experience, says no, and adds, “it hadn’t been a priority for me.” Then he goes on:

When I came out from under the anesthetic after the transplant, I was euphoric. I’d had–I’d been given the gift of additional lives, additional years of life. For the family of the donor, they’d just been [through] some terrible tragedy, they’d lost a family member. Can’t tell why, obviously, when you don’t know the details, but the way I think of it from a psychological standpoint is that it’s my new heart, not someone else’s old heart. And I always thank the donor, generically thank donors for the gift that I’ve been given, but I don’t spend time wondering who had it, what they’d done, what kind of person.

“It’s my new heart, not someone else’s old heart.” Consider the complete self-centeredness of that statement, and the utter lack of empathy. I shouldn’t be surprised at that — war criminals and torture-promoters aren’t known for their empathy — but I was. Cheney’s so absorbed in his great good luck that he can’t help sharing: “My cardiologist told me at one point, ‘You know, Dick, the transplant is a spiritual experience, not just for the patient, but also for the team.’” What a generous guy, sharing that “spiritual experience” with his cardiology team! So: Cheney is happy to have a new heart, but doesn’t bother to “spend time wondering who had it, what they’d done, what kind of person.”

And his statement that it wasn’t a “priority” to learn about his heart donor revealingly echoes his explanation for getting five deferments from the Vietnam War: The notorious war hawk famously told the Washington Post: “I had other priorities in the ’60s than military service.” Now he has other priorities than learning about his heart donor.

It’s certainly not compulsory to find out about the person who died so that you could live – who gave what Cheney called “the gift of life itself.” There may be valid psychological reasons not to. I don’t judge that decision. But I can’t get over the coldness required to express complete indifference to knowing about that person, and their family’s suffering.

Or could it be compassion? For a lot of people, the tragedy of a family member dying would be compounded, not lessened, by learning that their heart went to Cheney. Nah, there’s neither compassion nor self-awareness in the way Cheney talks about receiving “the gift of life,” from American taxpayers or from his mystery heart donor.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:24 pm

Or maybe that's the healthy thought patterns of a winner who is grateful for another couple rounds. Like Rummy, he's been an alpha male for a long time. Society selects for 'em, groups love 'em. Dark Cheney has done a shit-ton of cruel and horrible things, but this has a Mole Hill Mtn. kinda feel to it.

Thought experiment: is the simple fact Cheney didn't experience a heart attack on Sept 11th, 2001 the most glaring proof of his advance knowledge and complicity?
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby NeonLX » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:44 pm

It would be easy to say that The Dick Cheney is heartless, so I won't say it.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby 82_28 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:47 pm

It's funny. He obviously, doubtlessly, indubitably, no shadow of a doubt knows what the minions on and off the Internet think about him. I can't imagine having to live a life knowing everything I've ever done was very publicly looked at as evil. I know, I know, it's ego and a unique kind of pathology that is foreign to us. It really just stuns me though and I know I shouldn't be surprised, that he shows utterly no remorse for anything. Though I hate that man and thinking about putting myself in the situation of him falling down in front of me, I would still help him up out of blind kindness. Sure, I would rather kick him in the face while he was down. But I would choose to help him. I guess that's what makes us different and is hated the universe over. I don't forgive him, but I would help him.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:42 am

San Francisco today was transformed into "Gotham City" for a dying 5 year olds Make A Wish. Yet, if I was this amazing child's parents...Id beg Make A Wish to get this kid on the same transhumanism life expansion that
Cheney, Rockefeller, Kissinger, and Poppy Magog clearly are on
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby NeonLX » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:27 pm

Ya know, 82_28, you made me think. After all these years, it's still a novelty for me to do that. But anyway...I'm not sure what I'd do if The Dick fell down in front of me. My first impulse would be to help the dude, just like any other human being. But then...is he really another human being? Is there even the smallest shard of humanity left in his soul? Was there ever?

(un)fortunately, I'd probably end up doing the human thing. Even for The Dick. But goddamnit, could I live with myself afterwards? Or could I live with myself afterwards if I did NOT?
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby conniption » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:37 pm

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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby Asta » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:37 pm

I wouldn't have any feelings of guilt whatsoever if the Dick keeled over in my presence. I think it would be quite the experience to watch Evil die. In fact, I'd probably take notes, photos on my iPhone and post it on FaceBook.

Cheney is the embodiment of pure Evil. And to think that he has been given more time on this planet scares the hell out of me. Don't think for one moment that he's no longer one of the Major Players.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby Grizzly » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:16 pm

I'd probably end up doing the human thing. Even for The Dick. But goddamnit, could I live with myself afterwards? Or could I live with myself afterwards if I did NOT?


And therein,lies the the crux of the problem. But I wonder what would he do if the situation were reversed... On a simular note, does evil know it's evil? Or is he just a man, allbe it, a psychopath...
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby RocketMan » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:48 pm

This guy...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/31/s ... ty-speech/

The former vice president denied to The Eagle student newspaper that the Bush administration in which he served had used torture, although he conceded that three individuals were subjected to waterboarding.

“Some people called it torture,” Cheney said. “It wasn’t torture.”

Human rights groups say the practice was much more widespread, however.

Cheney said the enhanced interrogation tactics implemented by the Bush administration did not fall under the scope of the 1949 United Nations Geneva Convention because those rules do not apply to unlawful combatants.

“If I would have to do it all over again, I would,” Cheney said. “The results speak for themselves.”
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Postby Searcher08 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:36 pm

I have a really decent empathic mate who knew him a little from the business world. I asked him what he was like and he said "He's just a disagreeable asshole".

I think that was an *extremely* perceptive assessment.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby Harvey » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:07 pm

Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought


Not possible, in either sense.

The thing is, from the world view which made him, he's entirely consistent, rational and even monumentally valuable. It's an acquired taste, I know.

When he had his moment of reckoning, "Come to the dark side, Dick..." the chances are, he didn't need a microsecond to reflect. Just, "Yeah, sure."

Hate the fucker if you must, but you know he feeds on that shit, don't you? Excrete him from our collective thoughts and he's very probably drained from the world, like lanced boils. He's one of those relatively rare, but disproportionately influential individuals of whom it can be unequivocally said, "The world was better without him."

Dick who?
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:41 pm

‘We’re All Cheneyites Now’
April 1, 2014

In late 2008, when President Obama opted more for “continuity” than “change” — and ceded control over much of his foreign policy to hawkish “rivals” — he locked in many of Dick Cheney’s neocon theories that trampled constitutional principles, as retired JAG Major Todd E. Pierce explains.

By Todd E. Pierce

Dick Cheney’s ideology of U.S. global domination has become an enduring American governing principle regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office, a reality reflected in the recent Ukrainian coup, the 2011 “regime change” in Libya and drone wars waged in several countries by President Barack Obama.

The final form of this ideology took shape in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union when the world was then to be subjected to eternal U.S. military dominance, as revealed in the leaked “Draft Defense Planning Guidance” (DPG) devised by Cheney’s subordinates when he was Defense Secretary under President George H.W. Bush.

Vice President Dick Cheney.
Vice President Dick Cheney.
Since then, Cheney has been so successful in propagating this ideology of permanent U.S. domination abroad and rule by a “unitary executive” at home that it has now survived multiple changes of U.S. presidents largely intact. It is so much attributable to Dick Cheney that it merits his name: Cheneyism.

As unprecedented as Cheneyism may be – not even history’s most power-mad conquerors ever envisioned anything like “full-spectrum dominance” – President Obama has cemented Cheney’s ideological legacy by continuing his unilateralism and even expanding it into such executive powers as targeted killings of American citizens accused of terrorism.

Cheney’s ideology combines militarism under a state of permanent war with an un-American, anti-constitutional authoritarianism. It also embraces an aggressiveness toward past, present and possibly future adversaries, especially Russia.

Robert Gates, who was CIA director in 1991, has written in his memoir Duty that with the collapse of the U.S.S.R., Cheney “wanted to see the dismantlement not only of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire but of Russia itself,” so “it could never again be a threat to the rest of the world.”

Little wonder that Russian President Vladimir Putin concluded that denying Russian access to Crimean ports via the coup in Ukraine was just one step in a larger U.S. plan to deny Russia a means of naval defense, just as he might have seen the Kosovo War in the late 1990s as a move against a Russian ally.

While there remains some slight domestic opposition to Cheney’s most visible legacy, the U.S. global military prison at Guantanamo, there is virtually no deviation in the United States from the core of Cheney’s ideology. That is, the unrelenting pursuit of total U.S. global military domination as outlined in the Defense Planning Guidance.

This February’s successful subversion of Ukraine’s democratically elected government by Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland is merely the latest example of U.S. policies first conceived and promoted by Cheney and like-minded ideologists, including Nuland’s husband, renowned neocon Robert Kagan, a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century.

If there was any doubt about the continuation of Cheneyism under Obama, the activities of Nuland – a Bush-43 holdover who was promoted by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then Secretary of State John Kerry – shows there was no real break in foreign policy with the change of administrations in 2009.

As revealed by Nuland, there has not been a Russian policy “reset” by the U.S.; it was a mere subterfuge. And as Putin is learning, any objection to U.S. strategic expansionism is treated as “terrorism” or “aggression” and becomes a pretext for U.S. diplomatic, economic and military suppression of the “threat.”

In 1991, as conceived by Cheney and other Pentagon ideologues, such as Paul Wolfowitz and David Addington, this strategy of constantly violating other nations’ sovereignty has been waged both by military and political means, as in the old adage that war is an extension of politics by other means (and vice versa).

Yet, the scale of this persistent U.S. subversion of other nations’ sovereignty has never been seen before, not even in pre-World War II days by German and Japanese agents or by the Soviet Comintern, none of whom had military commands covering the entire globe.

Cheney may never have served in uniform but he thoroughly internalized the precepts and practices of authoritarian militaristic regimes as an ideologue and infected U.S. political culture with this contagion.

Roots of Cheneyism

Like many other extremist ideologies, Cheneyism grew out of defeat. In this case, the U.S. military defeat in Vietnam and the political defeat of Richard Nixon’s administration where Cheney began his career in national politics.

As occurred with Field Marshall Erich Ludendorff and a then obscure corporal named Adolf Hitler following Germany’s defeat in World War I, a similar “stab in the back” legend was created by the U.S. military and political leaders after the Vietnam War. They never understood, as General Frederick Weyand did from the beginning, that the Vietnam War was unwinnable by the U.S. military.

Instead, political leaders such as Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon along with strategically challenged Flag Officers, the likes of General William Westmoreland and Admiral U. S. Grant Sharp Jr., held that the U.S. would have won if the “will” to fight hadn’t been lost by the American people.

They blamed this on the media and the resultant dissent to the war. Consequently, it became a priority of the U.S. government to control access to information in future wars through censorship and secrecy, to ensure public support through carefully crafted propaganda, and to keep a close eye on any potential dissenters, with various forms of detention available to suppress a disruptive opposition or to stop the dissemination of embarrassing state secrets.

However, even these benighted officials recognized that the U.S. Constitution was an obstacle to the wartime authoritarianism that they aspired to entrench in the U.S. political system. They saw the “exigencies” of war – even the undeclared kind – as shoving the Constitution aside.

The “fountainhead” for this ideology was the Office of Legal Counsel’s opinion written by William Rehnquist in 1970, “Re: The President and the War Power: South Vietnam and the Cambodian Sanctuaries” (the so-called “Rehnquist Memo”). This memo asserted the right of the U.S. to wage preemptive war on the thinnest of grounds.

This political viewpoint was internalized by many military officers and some political officials, including Cheney, notwithstanding their oath to defend the Constitution. The consequences are evident today in the hyper-secrecy and information control policies adopted since 2001 and the arguments by the likes of Cheney for even harsher authoritarian policies.

On Sept. 25, 2001, just two weeks after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, John Yoo, a lawyer who worked for President George W. Bush’s Office of Legal Counsel, summarized the concept of unconstrained presidential power.

“It has long been the view of this Office that the Commander-in-Chief Clause is a substantive grant of authority to the President,” Yoo wrote. “The power of the President is at its zenith under the Constitution when the President is directing military operations of the armed forces, because the power of Commander in Chief is assigned solely to the President.” As support, Yoo cited the Rehnquist Memo.

Though terrorism was always seen by the U.S. Army as mere “sporadic attacks,” not rising to the level of war, the U.S. media’s immediate conflation of the 9/11 attacks as an “act of war” was the final piece necessary to fully implement Cheney’s ideology of permanent warfare by citing the vague threat of terrorism and thus justifying unlimited presidential powers.

As a further rationalization for his “unitary executive theory,” Cheney cited the 1987 congressional Iran-Contra committee’s “minority report” that he and other Republican members drafted in defense of President Ronald Reagan’s defiance of legal constraints on his execution of foreign policy.

In the report, Cheney details Reagan’s “struggle” against those legal obstacles as justified by the Constitution’s separation of powers that Cheney argued empowered the President to cast off the shackles of both U.S. and international law in the name of “national security.”

Then came the other foundational document of Cheney’s ideology: the 1991-92 draft Defense Planning Guidance, wherein the Defense Department under Cheney declared de facto global military domination by the United States (as described in Harper’s Magazine). While the DPG had multiple authors – and it became known as the Wolfowitz Doctrine – the draft report was prepared under Cheney’s sponsorship as Secretary of Defense.

For Cheney, it was as if he saw the Cold War as having been a winner-take-all contest for global domination. When the U.S. “won,” the countries of the world were to submit to global U.S. domination. As stated in Harper’s Magazine, the United States would move from “countering Soviet attempts at dominance to en­suring its own dominance.”

More specifically, in addition to the first objective of the U.S. being “to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival,” primary objectives were also “to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests” and to “maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.”

After the draft DPG was leaked, causing controversy with U.S. allies, it was withdrawn and revised but with no substantive changes. It was released in January 1993 as the Defense Strategy for the 1990s, just as the Bush-41 administration was giving way to Bill Clinton’s administration.

If this grandiose document merely represented the excesses of one administration, there would be no need to write about it as a new American ideology. But as Wolfowitz wrote in 2000, and quoted by author James Mann in Rise of the Vulcans, these ideas “turned into the consensus, mainstream view of America’s post-cold war defense strategy.”

Mann pointed out that Wolfowitz’s assessment may have been a slight exaggeration but – after a review of defense issues – Clinton preserved the general outlines of the force structure and strategy that had been worked out under Cheney and Wolfowitz.

Cheney’s ideology of permanent U.S. dominance achieved its purest form under President George W. Bush, with Cheney as his influential Vice President. But Cheneyism also has maintained a strong foothold in the five years of the Obama administration. Though President Obama may have learned that there are limits to U.S. military power, that message apparently never got through to the likes of Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham or to many prominent opinion leaders at major news organizations and think tanks.

Indeed, broadly understood, Cheney’s geopolitical ideas have become the consensus of both Republicans and Democrats and have assumed a permanent place in “mainstream” American political thought and governance under Obama.

Cheney’s ideology, which was put into legal terms by John Yoo and other authoritarian-minded attorneys, has been adopted in large part by Obama administration attorneys such as Harold Koh on issues of presidential powers and has become embedded in American jurisprudence.

This reality is displayed in Justice Department arguments and court decisions in “national security” cases, such as unconstrained surveillance of U.S. citizens, sweeping invocation of state secrets, and defense of military commissions (where the government now invokes the martial law jurisprudence of the Civil War, describing it as U.S. domestic common law of war).

David Armstrong, author of the Harper’s Magazine article on the DPG, wrote that “Cheney’s unwavering adherence to the Plan would be amusing, and maybe a little sad, except that it is now our plan. In its pages are the ideas that we now act upon every day with the full might of the United States military.” This remains true under Obama.

So, for a foreign government to anticipate how the U.S. will act, their analysts need to understand Cheneyism as a controlling ideology in U.S. policy, just as American intelligence analysts were steeped in theories of Marxism and Stalinism during the Cold War. U.S. citizens should understand the tenets of Cheneyism, too, since this arrogant ideology has the potential for disastrous consequences.

These consequences will be economic at minimum, as we have seen from the financial fallout of the Iraq War. But the consequences could eventually be strategic as well, leading to a military catastrophe as has happened to many world powers in the past.

Indeed, there is a German precedent for Cheney’s ideology that is not Nazism. Following the failure of the Imperial German Army in World War I, philosophical militarists such as Ernst Junger and authoritarian legal philosophers like Carl Schmitt came together in the “Conservative Revolutionary Movement.”

Celebrating war and authoritarianism, they believed that Germany was the “exceptional” nation of Europe, deserving of military expansion in both eastern and western Europe. The German Conservative Revolutionaries didn’t all become Nazis, but they created a hospitable culture for them. With hindsight, they could have been called proto-Cheneyites.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby thrulookingglass » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:31 pm

It's easy to pile on Dick Cheney, so I might as well. If half of what Cathy O'Brien's book Trance-formation of America is close to true, or what Jeff here has revealed of his nature, then Cheney is one of the most abominable beasts that has ever lived. Shot Attorney Harry Whittington and was barely apologetic about it, wore an atrocious outfit to Auschwitz with a hat that read "Staff 2001" and the man that we now know was in charge of operations, if you will, at the White House while 9/11 unfolded! I would have to agree that Cheney finds pleasure in observing the reaction to his shameless flashes of rancorous behavior. And this heart transplant disturbs me even more as I wouldn't be surprised if we discover some mischief behind this handy donated heart. It also helps to paint Cheney as some Frankenstein's monster, f#cking energizer bunny of evil nit wits! I hope Dick is some kind of tranformative lizard multi-dimensional space alien, it would help restore my faith in humanity.
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Re: Dick Cheney: Even bigger dick than you thought

Postby Elihu » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:34 am

faith in humanity
wrong place

wonderful writing though from a longtime member
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