conniption » Wed May 14, 2014 10:10 pm wrote:Germany Sets New Record, Generating 74 Percent Of Power Needs From Renewable Energy
By Kiley Kroh May 13, 20141 of 119 comments
Nancy Gotwalt · Senior Logistician at Leidos
Germany has brains. We have the Koch brothers. Need I say more?
· 22 · Yesterday at 1:44pm
Meine Damen und Herren, please do be extra careful when faced with statistics this astounding, especially when they appear to support your (my, our) case. I live in Germany and I can assure you that this headline is -- to put it mildly -- highly misleading. Yes, good progress is being made with renewable energy sources here; but no, it's simply not true that three-quarters of Germany's energy comes from renewables! In fact, it is -- at best -- currently somewhere between one quarter and one third.
Somebody in the comments box at that site did eventually get suspicious and the following short dialogue ensued:
Matthew Fennell · Top Commenter · Waltham, Massachusetts
I can't find the 74% number anywhere but the brief snippet linked. 45% by 2030 is the number I keep seeing. Anyone else see this?
Reply · · 5 · May 13 at 12:54pm
Brandon Adams · Top Commenter · Operations Engineer at DreamBox Learning, Inc.
I think they mean a peak of 74%. Solar and wind are highly variable.
That variability also means that more traditional energy sources have to used to serve peak demand when the sun's not shining and the wind's not blowing. In the Pacific Northwest we're lucky to have massive hydro capacity that can quickly ramp up and down in response to changes in renewable production elsewhere, like our wind farms.
In other parts of the world, peakers operate on fossil fuels. So, when that 74% goes to something more like 5% at night, the other 95% is natural gas, coal, etc.
Reply · · 7 · May 13 at 1:16pm
Keith Gibson · University of York, UK
Brandon Adams, yes it was supposedly 74% on one particular day and even then it was not including transport and I suspect it was not including natural gas heating too. I'm aiming to move to Germany solely for their smart thinking of renewable energy systems.
Reply · · 1 · 4 hours ago
I googled "erneuerbare Energien in Zahlen" ("renewable energy in figures") and came up with the figure of 27% for the last quarter-year, as reported in the conservative daily Die Welt six days ago:
09.05.14 Erneuerbare Energien
Ökostrom-Anteil schnellt auf 27 Prozent hoch
Von Daniel Wetzel
Sonne und Wind: Mit ihrer Hilfe ist in Deutschland ein knappes Drittel des Stroms erzeugt worden
[...]
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article12 ... -hoch.html
So yes, what they're reporting is good news -- a substantial increase in the percentage of energy supplied by renewables. But an increase to 27%, not to 74%! Also, N.B.: That figure of 27% applies only to the first quarter of 2014, and the institution that delivered the figures (BDEW - [German] Federal Association of the Energy and Water Industry) makes a point of stressing that this figure cannot be generalised over the whole year because renewable energies are highly dependent on unpredictable variables such as the weather and the time of year.
(Don't have time to translate the whole thing, but Google Translate will give you more than the gist.)
tl;dr - The Federal Republic of Germany is not the Big Rock Candy Mountain.