Mass Shooting in California

[jlaw172364]

@Luther, you do realize that for all have human history, a key male role has been dispenser of violence, and that all males existing today are descended from survivors of armed conflicts too numerous to name, and are therefore somewhat optimized for violence, and that indoctrination and assimilation into dispenser of violence is still a key male role, as evidenced by all the war games and war toys young males are given by their parents.

You also realize that in nature, almost every organism kills organisms to survive, or else they die and become extinct if they can't do it as efficiently as other organisms.

Also, you write as if women, who haven't been evolutionarily optimized for violence and indoctrinated into it, also never kill.

http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/201 ... llers.html

I found that link on female serial killers. I'm sure there are plenty more out there. There was that whole Arsenic and Old Lace thing, the ladies who killed drifters for insurance money, and on and on. But women don't have to kill, because men are already doing it for them. Look at the militaries; they're mostly men. Sure, people are horrified at military aggression, but they are more horrified at being on the receiving end of it, which is why militaries are developed in the first place, to protect from outside aggression.

It's an unfortunate state of affairs, but that's life on the material plane.

If you read his manifesto, he talks about spending his entire childhood playing war games. That is far more relevant to me, even though I don't think that's what really pushed him to kill (his inability to cope and adapt did that). Look at the language he uses; it comes straight out of all those gory war games. I've played many of them so I know. They are all adolescent male wish-fulfillment kill all your enemies (mean kids, bullies, etc.) fantasies. And yet that's not getting harped on this time. Guess the gaming companies have paid everyone off already through their PR firms.

[Searcher08]

He went to school in Topanga Canyon.

[Luther Blissett]

I too found it odd that there's not too much talk about violent video games this time around, but then I take a step back, think about the overarching points of his manifesto that he kept coming back to time and time again and his final modus operandi video, and remember that he was first and foremost driven by his misogyny.

I count the number of times I've been a victim of sexism about the same number of times I've been a victim of "reverse racism": approximately zero. I think I have an enormous amount of privilege and power compared to women.

[jlaw172364]

@Luther, you never addressed the male victims and attacks at men addressed in his manifesto.

Why is that? Do their deaths not count for anything?

He killed men as well as women.
He constantly wrote of his hatred for other men. They were obnoxious brutes.

And yet, you call him only a misogynist.

He was a self-centered narcissistic psychopath MISANTHROPE with a god-complex.

[Iamwhomiam]

@Iamwhoiam "I won't be visiting any of those sites."

Lol, and this is why people are ignorant. You're not even going to take five or ten minutes to investigate the content of the sites in question? You're just going to blindly accept someone else's word for it, eh?

jlaw, whose word is it that is it that I'm blindly accepting? Would you please point out for me where I've accepted anything anyone has said about any "manoverse" site ever?

First of all, the sites are not being questioned, not that I'd care if they were. To me the site is entirely irrelevant.

What is relevant to me is where and how he got his guns. Those are the only questions I would like to see answered.

There is nothing at all any of us can do to alter the facts, but we can learn how a man under psychiatric care (according to his father) could so easily obtain guns and we can work to prevent a repeat occurrence.

Besides, why should I want to know anything about what's offered on any men's support group site? I am certainly well aware of men's issues today and frankly, helping only men is not high on my priority list.

The work I do protecting human health affects everyone, so I have no special interest group at all. RI is only the second blog I've participated in and I recently began posting helpful information on environmental issues in a local newspaper's community blogs.

A men's rights blog? Not really my thing. Nor am I ignorant. I find it pathetically sad that in a "Man's World" some need a blog and peers to assure them of their own manhood.

While I thank you for your next paragraph that I did not quote, at 65 I'm well aware of men's adolescent issues of insecurity and no matter how old one experiencing such angst might be, their issues are indeed adolescent.

I find it very saddening that in our male dominated world we have men blaming women for their own failure, for their own inate inability to dominate other men.

[82_28]

The fact remains however is that he did resort to bringing death to innocent people. Most people don't do that when shunned or the perception of being shunned. We're all shunned in some way throughout our lives. If one has a problem and is sane the problem is that self, that person and realizes this. He was obsessed with his artifically constructed ego. Artificial.

I can't think of any situation where one's entire ego is built upon the circumstances of basically everything being fake.

Perhaps he is kind of a "canary in the coal mine". Perhaps he literally was saying something about materialism and exploitation, just couldn't put it to positive use and internalized each and every hurt feeling when all along his perceptions belonged to him alone. You can basically see that in what is left of his Internet postings. He makes offensive assertions, gets ridiculed by perfectly sane seeming people (even though they are body builders or whatever) and then apologizes and then starts back up again.

This was his reaction to a fake existence foisted upon him and he had nary the tools in which to put into perspective and hopefully grow from spiritually. Not making excuses for the jackass, just, well, you know.

[82_28]

He went to school in Topanga Canyon.

WHOA!!!! Really?

[jlaw172364]

@ iamwhoiam

Fair enough. He said he went to a particular store in his manifesto, filled out the paperwork, and got the guns. Since he was a son of privilege with no criminal record, I imagine that he didn't show up in a database; also it sounded like went to a small shop that may have cut corners on him to save money, figuring he wasn't going to commit crimes.

Sorry if you took offense. The notion that we live in a male dominated world is one thing these MRA sites challenge. For a lot of men, they're dominated by other men, and women. A lot of men and women are blinded to how women have historically exercised power to accomplish objectives. They look only to the historical roles of subjugated women; ignore subjugated men, and women who have exercised various kinds of power to arrive at their thesis of a male dominated world. But I've already made this point on numerous occasions. Check out "The Manipulated Man" by Esther Vilar if you're interested in reading the argument in more detail. I myself am convinced that it's more about wealth, power, and class than gender. I believe the gender divide to be a giant red herring divide and conquer tactic to distract people and keep them weak and fighting amongst themselves rather than challenging elite authority. But that's my opinion.

@ 82_28

That was also my impression; he spent much of his childhood wandering around in virtual realities, and not even interesting ones at that. Just kill monsters for gold.

[Iamwhomiam]

He went to school in Topanga Canyon.

And he lived in Laural Canyon.

And I visited Topanga Canyon in January 1968, woo!

Anything more about the suppossed passenger?

[Searcher08]

I too found it odd that there's not too much talk about violent video games this time around, but then I take a step back, think about the overarching points of his manifesto that he kept coming back to time and time again and his final modus operandi video, and remember that he was first and foremost driven by his misogyny.

I count the number of times I've been a victim of sexism about the same number of times I've been a victim of "reverse racism": approximately zero. I think I have an enormous amount of privilege and power compared to women.

Hey Luther,

I'm saying this in a context of trying to understand you AND I find your languaging very 'cloud word' based (ie subject to a great deal of ambiguity)

Please have a peek at your last sentence.

When I hear you say "I have an enormous amount of (privilage and) power compared to women."
I really need to unpick this to understand it.

Power compared to WHICH women? How do you MEASURE this power?
Power begs the question of what class of power? Physical? Emotional? Mental? Spiritual? Artistic? Communicative?

Power to me (at it's deepest) means the power to create and bring things into being in one's life.

What does it mean to you?

[Hunter]

Still do not know what PUA reps. No matter, I won't be visiting any of those sites.

Without knowing much about the fellow, E.R., it seems to me that while materially well provided for, something else clearly was lacking from whatever parenting his parents provided. Perhaps some aspect of his "aspergers" prevented him from bonding with his parents and this was the true reason for his being unable to find a date.

One must wonder, did he ever actually approach a woman to ask her out? Was his rejection actually nothing more than a perceived projection, an imagining of his mind's creation had he never actually asked a woman out on a date?

Any mention of his loving home life in his manifesto? Did he mention his mother's love (for him) at all? Did he mention his mother or his feelings for her at all? Any mention of how he related to and with his father or their love for each other?

PUA=Pick Up Artists, its basically a bunch of guys who sell dvds, put on workshops and write books on how to pick girls.


The other group which ER belonged to was a PUA hate site, they are basically mad at the PUA guys for taking their money because the books and DVDs they sold them still didnt get them laid, that is what ER was mad about, he bought all their pick up artists books and DVDs and still couldnt get laid.


Also about whether he asked any girls out, in his manifesto he says he has never asked a girl out on a date. You get the very obvious impression that he didnt think he should have to, he believed they should be lining up to date him and he shouldnt have to put in the effort to find them and ask them. But, he does make it clear that he never asked a girl out in his life. So basically he didnt even try because he was under the impression they should be lining up for a nice guy like him.


He was close with his mom, mom and dad split up he lived with mom and spent weekends with dad and step mother, dad wasnt around so basically spent weekends with step mother whom he hated and couldnt stand.

[Hunter]

Can we take serious steps to stop this men’s rights activism thing now? It’s not just a dumb thing on a corner of the internet to poke and laugh at, it killed seven people. Seven women are dead because of this entitlement bullshit. Seven women aren’t alive any more because nobody sat this scumbag down and said, “Nobody owes you attention or sex or anything and people have a right to not want to sleep with you.” -

LOL no, whoever wrote this is a bit of a moron. 4 of his 6 victims were MEN, so no, seven women are not dead because of any of this.

As I understand it, 4 men 2 women and the perp was the seventh. Seven dead in total including the shooter, 5 of them were males including the shooter.

[jlaw172364]

"ER was mad about, he bought all their pick up artists books and DVDs and still couldnt get laid.

Also about whether he asked any girls out, in his manifesto he says he has never asked a girl out on a date. You get the very obvious impression that he didnt think he should have to, he believed they should be lining up to date him and he shouldnt have to put in the effort to find them and ask them. But, he does make it clear that he never asked a girl out in his life. So basically he didnt even try because he was under the impression they should be lining up for a nice guy like him."

He actually bought the DVDs? I definitely got the impression that he never tried asking anyone out. I mean running up to people and assaulting them with coffee, soda, water, etc. screams of social isolation. You get the sense that internalized all of his feelings, and that nobody had any clue what he was thinking half of the time.

If he never tried any PUA stuff, then how can he actually be a PUA? These anti-MRA anti-PUA "he's a misogynist" criticisms make no sense. And PUAs are trying to have sex with women, not murder them. You can argue that they are misogynists because they objectify women, etc. But they are not the violent, murdering kind of misoanthropes that ER was. Most PUAs are just awkward guys who are trying to learn social skills so they can get a girlfriend or a wife eventually.

The whole point to PUA is go out and get rejected a million times, learn from lots social interactions, and gradually improve at socializing with women.

[Iamwhomiam]

I would say when regarding to people that power is the ability to exercise one's desire over and against the will of another without them suffering any or little consequence.

The power to create and bring things desired or undesired into the life of another.

[Hunter]

I have read so much I cant pinpoint it now but someone posted an excerpt from one from one of his forum posts where he is bitching about them PUA guys scamming him and taking his money without producing (meaning it didnt help him get laid). But then you read that he never asked anyone out in his life, so if he didnt even try, well then wtf does he expect.

Yea the kid was a fucking mess, lived in a bubble of some sort. No sense of reality at all.