Mass Shooting in California

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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Project Willow » Sun May 25, 2014 8:59 pm

Iamwhomiam » 25 May 2014 13:34 wrote:
I find it very saddening that in our male dominated world we have men blaming women for their own failure, for their own inate inability to dominate other men.


Yep, except I don't think it's innate. Ironically, it's the strictures of culturally constructed masculinity, a masculinity that favors domination over personal empowerment, emotional numbing over intimacy, among many other factors, that help keep men trapped in this circle. Are these men's rights groups interested in joining feminists in countering the destructive elements of our gender roles? Reading over some of the comments, it appears it's far easier to keep hating on the female sex. It makes me feel like I'm some sort of demigod, my every whim carrying the power of life and death over some poor unsuspecting man. It's sad, and twisted, and something that men have to fix for themselves.

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http://www.salon.com/2014/05/25/elliot_rodgers_fatal_menace_how_toxic_male_entitlement_devalues_womens_and_mens_lives/
Elliot Rodger’s fatal menace: How toxic male entitlement devalues women’s and men’s lives

Rodger felt victimized by women, whom he appeared to desire and loathe simultaneously. He expressed anger and resentment toward other men, often because of their relationships with women. He seemed to be a profoundly troubled, profoundly lonely young man. According to a statement from the Rodger family’s attorney, he was receiving care from mental health professionals after his parents were alarmed by his Internet footprint — a series of YouTube videos and men’s rights chat groups where he expressed his violent views about women, men and himself.

It’s hard to say what any of this actually tells us. Maybe nothing. I won’t pretend to know. What role did Rodger’s misogyny play in this tragedy? And what about his apparent struggle with mental illness — that big, blanket term we never talk about except to throw it around as if it explains why someone would murder six people? And what about guns? What of our cowardice — the cowardice of our elected officials — when it comes to regulating deadly weapons so that we stand a better chance of keeping them out of the hands of men like Elliot Rodger? What about these things? As a friend and I discussed earlier while trying to grapple with the tragedy as we learned each new chilling detail, all of these things matter, but none seem sufficient to explain what happened. They couldn’t possibly, and yet they’re all we have.

It would be irresponsible to lay this violence at the feet of the men’s rights activists with whom Rodger seemed to find support for his rage. Rodger is alleged to have murdered six women and men. No amount of Internet vitriol — no unfulfilled threats of violence — can equal that. But it also denies reality to pretend that Rodger’s sense of masculine entitlement and views about women didn’t matter or somehow existed in a vacuum. These things matter because the horror of Rodger’s alleged crimes is unique, but the distorted way he understood himself as a man and the violence with which discussed women — the bleak and dehumanizing lens through which he judged them — is not. Just as we examine our culture of guns once again in the wake of yet another mass shooting, we must also examine our culture of misogyny and toxic masculinity, which devalues both women’s and men’s lives and worth, and inflicts real and daily harm. We must examine the dangerous normative values that treat women as less than human, and that make them — according to Elliot Rodger — deserving of death.

There is an angry part of me — a frightened part of me — that wants to tear Rodger’s video manifesto apart in the pettiest terms imaginable. Point to how cliched it all is — the tired self-importance, the god comparisons, his lazy use of “sluts” and “brutes” to describe the women and men he would allegedly target and murder only hours later. I have seen these videos before. Women have heard these threats before, and been forced to consider how seriously they should take a man who tells them on Twitter that he knows where they live and that, “You are going to die and I am the one who is going to kill you.” If Rodger had posted his angry monologue to YouTube or fired it off in an email to a woman online and then gone about his day — seething privately and without violence about his wounded sense of entitlement and the sting of having his resentful and warped desires unfulfilled — the country wouldn’t be talking about him. Because until the moment that he is alleged to have killed six women and men, Elliot Rodger was every bit the same as the other men who are defined by their resentment toward women and their sense of bitter victimization in the world. Men who threaten women in person and online in an attempt to control their lives. Men who feel that girls and women owe them adoration, sexual gratification, subservience. Men whose sense of rage and entitlement has rotted their brains and ruined them.

And this anger — this toxic male entitlement — isn’t contained to random comment boards or the YouTube videos of disturbed young men. It’s on full view elsewhere in our culture. Earlier this week, a writer for the New York Post quoted a member of a men’s rights group as the sole source in a report on Jill Abramson’s ouster at the New York Times. Mel Feit of the National Center for Men told columnist Richard Johnson that Abramson was systematically firing men and replacing them with women. He said that our society gives women preferential treatment. On his website, Feit bemoans a culture in which men are subject to the powerful whims of vindictive women who exist on “sexual pedestals.” He argues that men can’t be blamed for rape after a certain point of arousal. These views about women and violence are replicated in our criminal justice system. They filter into our media. This is what makes Rodger’s misogynistic vitriol so terrifying — the fact that in many ways it’s utterly banal.

The news out of Isla Vista is still painfully fresh, and in the coming days we will continue to struggle to understand this pattern of violence. And while we do that — the work of considering what laws, support systems and cultural shifts must be put in place to prevent these tragedies from destroying more lives, families and communities — I can’t help but be reminded of all of the women who have been victimized by a culture and a system that denies their humanity.

I’m reminded of Marissa Alexander, whom the state of Florida is trying to imprison for 60 years because she fired a warning shot to ward off a man who had a history of violently abusing her and had told her that he was going to kill her. I’m reminded of CeCe McDonald, a trans woman of color who was incarcerated for defending herself during a brutal assault. “Her gift for survival was a prison sentence,” trans actress and activist Laverne Cox recently observed. I’m reminded of the 276 Nigerian schoolgirls who were abducted more than a month ago and remain missing because they had the audacity to go to school.

I think of the millions of other women and girls whose names the public does not know, but who have been forced all the same — by institutional forces larger than themselves, by systemic and enduring misogyny and racism, by the sheer bad luck of being at a given place at a given moment — to become statistics or symbols of our culture’s profound disregard for the humanity of women and girls. I am reminded of all of them and I don’t know where to put the pain and anger that comes with that. There is no possible vessel large enough to hold it all.




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A young man felt spurned by women and shot people because of it. He drove up and fired a weapon out of a BMW and committed murder, leaving behind a video and a manifesto about his rage against women. He felt rejected by them. He was reportedly a follower of MRA (Men’s Rights Activism), which is a group of men who are upset because they feel they have an unequal set of rights in a few key areas, which is a lot like a rich guy who is mad at a homeless guy because the homeless guy is standing in his favorite patch of sunlight. (The term “men’s rights” is roughly analogous to the phrase “white power,” and equally creepy.) Yes, we can talk about gun rights and mental health issues because neither are properly addressed in this country. But we also need to talk about the entitlement of men and the objectification of women.

Most of the men who read this blog are, I hope and assume, not entitled piss-bags who think that they are owed affection by women, as if that’s the role of women in this life, to be willing and charitable receptacles for our urges. To be punching bags and accessories. To reiterate and sound the horn just the same: women don’t owe you anything. Whether you’re an alpha male or a wanna-be alpha, some faux bro-dude bad-ass or some repressed alley-dwelling CHUD, it matters little. I don’t care who you are; your maleness does not entitle you to anything.

You may have been told otherwise.

Culture wants us to think that. That being a guy comes with a rider like we’re Van Halen demanding a fucking bowl full of green M&Ms or some shit, but I’m here to tell you, that isn’t true. It’s a myth. You’re entitled to nothing, and yet, ironically, you’re born with this pesky thing called privilege. And sure, someone out there is already mad I’ve invoked that word, that being a dude is hard on its own and privilege is an illusion and blah blah blah something about divorced men and prostate cancer, but just remember that the men go on dates thinking they won’t get laid, and women go on dates thinking they might get raped, punched, maybe killed. Remember that as a man you can say all kinds of shit and add “lol” at the end of it and nobody gives a shit, but as a woman anything you say might be interpreted as antagonistic and end up with rape threats or death threats. Remember that any seemingly safe space — train station, bookstore, social media, city park — is an opportunity for a man to catch a train or read a book, but is also an opportunity for a woman to be the subject of threat or sexual violence.

Remember that men get paid more, get to do more, get to be more.

I understand that as a man your initial response to women talking about misogyny, sexism, rape culture and sexual violence is to wave your hands in the air like a drowning man and cry, “Not all men! Not all men!” as if to signal yourself as someone who is not an entitled, presumptive fuck-whistle, but please believe me that interjecting yourself in that way confirms that you are. Because forcing yourself into safe spaces and unwelcome conversations makes you exactly that.

Instead of telling women that it’s not all men, show them.

Show them by listening and supporting.

Show them by cleaning the dogshit out of your ears and listening to their stories — and recognize that while no, it’s not “all men,” it’s still “way too many men.” Consider actually reading the #YesAllWomen hashtag on Twitter not to look for places to interject and defend your fellow men, but as a place to gain insight and understanding into the experiences women have. That hashtag should serve as confirmation that women very often experience the spectrum of sexism and rape culture from an all-too-early age. Recognize that just because “not all men” are gun-toting, women-hating assholes fails to diminish the fact that sexism and rape culture remain firmly entrenched and institutional within our culture.

Because if your response to the shooting is to defend men (or worse, condemn women) instead of speaking out against this type of violence and attitude, then you best check yourself.

This isn’t the time to talk about nice guys. Or friend zoning. Or men’s rights. Or rejection.

This isn’t the time to ride up as standard-bearers for the realm of menfolk.

You have privilege, so use it. You’re not a white knight, but if other men try to objectify women or talk down to them — step up or walk away. If you have a son, teach him about consent and drive home the point that the 100% of the fault in a rape case is on the rapist, not the victim. Help other men — you, your children, your friends — reach a place of empathy.

This isn’t about you. Don’t derail. Don’t pull that mansplaining bullshit.

Shut your mouth and don’t speak over them.

Open your ears and listen.

Open your eyes and see.

Thus endeth the lesson, gents.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Sun May 25, 2014 9:00 pm

Handlers? Perhaps the reports of second guy in car?


While I visited home, my parents, along with my psychiatrist Dr. Charles Sophy, arranged for a counsellor to meet me frequently and help me out with my life. His name was Gavin Linderman, a clean-cut twenty five-year-old. He had a similar role to Tony, my old counsellor from the regional center back when I was nineteen, except Gavin was much younger and acted more like a friend who could take me out to places. Every time I went back to visit my parents, I would meet up with Gavin once. We usually met up at a restaurant somewhere, or went on a hike. I told him about all of my problems with girls, and
all of the hardships I’ve had to face in Santa Barbara. Being familiar with Isla Vista himself, since he spent
a great deal of time there when he was younger, he confirmed to me that yes, the girls in Isla Vista prefer tall, muscular, rowdy jock-type men. Gavin was the only young person I really interacted with at the time, besides the occasional meetings with my friends Philip and Addison. He was a good-looking guy, with a chiseled jaw and bright blonde hair. Whenever we went out to a restaurant, or anywhere that had girls, I got extremely jealous when I saw that girls were checking him out instead of me. This one girl at a restaurant in Santa Monica was staring at him the whole time we were sitting there. No girl had ever done that to me. This only made me more aware that girls did not consider me physically attractive. My hatred of the female gender could grow no stronger. It was too much.


What do we know about his Dr anyone ever heard of the guy?
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun May 25, 2014 11:58 pm

@Willow

"Except I don't think it's innate. Ironically, it's the strictures of culturally constructed masculinity, a masculinity that favors domination over personal empowerment, emotional numbing over intimacy, among many other factors, that help keep men trapped in this circle. Are these men's rights groups interested in joining feminists in countering the destructive elements of our gender roles?"

Yep. Plenty do. They complain about how, in their experience, they have to put on a strong game face all the time, and as soon as they betray any sign of weakness, the women in their lives at their throats. They complain about the expectation that they pay for everything, but paradoxically, paying for everything often results in them being exploited financially while being denied the affection they crave.

But I digress. This guy wasn't really an MRA. He didn't care about other men; he only cared about himself.

The Men's Rights reddit cares about the following issues: family court issues where men pay high alimony, never get to see their children, etc; the possibility that women deliberately scam men into marriage so they can "divorce rape" them and extract money in the form of alimony and child support for children they only had for that purpose (I actually know of three situations like this in real life, all with people relatively close to me); domestic violence issues where the woman attacks the man and calls the cops if he defends himself, or lies to the cops, or the cops arresting the man assuming he's always the aggressor; publicity campaigns that portray every man as a potential rapist; instances where men are accused of being child molestors for walking near a park, or spending time with their children in a public place.

The PUA reddit, Seddit, is about guys who are socially awkward with women, guys with little romantic success, how they can adopt social strategies and tactics to make them more appealing to women.

The TRP reddit, which is hated by a lot of people is about how women are drawn to men with wealth, social status, strength, and other attributes, and that PUA is pointless foolishness, and that men should self-improve, not put women on a pedestal, and not expect to be loved by women, who are fickle and will bolt at the first sign of trouble.

MGTOW are guys who have given up hope on having a romance with a woman, or who have been burned bad in a relationship and want nothing more to do with women. Some of these guys are bitter; others are ambivalent.

The PUAhate forum was what this guy belonged to. This is a subset of guys who don't believe that PUA tactics will work for them because they're so undesirable as human beings that no matter what they do, they'll never get to make it with Bambi the Head Cheerleader. This really has nothing to do with MRA, TRP, or PUA, but a lot of people jumped to that conclusion.

From what I read, this guys issue stemmed mostly from class; he came from a wealthy background where everything was handed to him, where his father had a beautiful wife, a beautiful girlfriend, where he was surrounded by pretty women, who he expected to fall into his arms as easily as all the toys that were bought for him. His problems also came from retreating into videogames for YEARS at a time. If you read about his childhood, it was one videogame, then another, many of them violent and warlike. This stunted his ability to relate to other people. Somewhere along the way, he became a racist too, and was infuriated by men of color involved with white women. He killed men as well as women. He was a psychopathic misanthrope with an enormous entitlement complex.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Mon May 26, 2014 12:06 am

I just realized, in his Retribution video, he quotes World of Warcraft.

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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon May 26, 2014 12:12 am

In his own words, he hated women more. Read Hunter's quotes. His violence came from misogyny first and foremost.

Fully agree with everything in Project Willow's post. This didn't develop in a vacuum.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Mon May 26, 2014 12:27 am

Willow, you are my personal friend and you met my ex. However, it was the exact opposite for me. Several years ago I got that DUI and had it reduced or whatever it is they do. Anyway when she broke up with me (both of us on the lease) she told me I had to leave. I told her "bullshit, you have to leave". She lorded over me the fact that I was male and if I didn't leave she would inform the police I had been abusing her and that I was on probation. She fully leveraged the fact she was female and me not. Of course I have never laid a hand on anyone ever. Previous to this she punched me and all I could say was "Dude you seriously just punched me!" Then she started screaming and laid on the car horn. I was just worried about her so I said no, I wasn't leaving until she calmed down.

I was scared a neighbor would call and it would be a certain arrest for me, just by dint of being male and her being utterly crazy. But I stuck it out with her because I really feared for her. Shit simmered down and a few days later she apologized.

Then like a year or so later she calls me because she is scared to go home. We're broken up at this point. But she has a true bonafide physically abusing BF now. He hit her around and shit. So, I rush out to help her. She wouldn't have done the same for me. I considered her a person first and a woman second. She maxed out all my male creds because she knew she could and got away with it. Nothing I would ever do to anyone.

Do I blame her? Sure, personally. But not because she is female, just that she knew she could because I am male. That much was obvious.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Mon May 26, 2014 12:31 am

@Luther.

"He hated women more"

Nah. You just want to fit the facts into your worldview. He espoused hatred for men and women and killed individuals from both genders. Those are the facts. If he truly only hated women, or hated them a great deal more, he would have only massacred women. Instead he assaulted and then massacred both men and women. You're trying to split hairs by reading more into his words than his deeds. I read his manifesto. He REPEATEDLY espoused hatred for men, as well as women. Do you hear me claiming that he was actually a misandrist that hated men more under some esoteric reading? Nope, I prefer to stay on more probable ground: that he was a psychopathic misanthrope who hated men and women for different reasons; women for allegedly denying him sex, and other men for getting the sex he allegedly was being denied. Does it really matter, in any case? Was his hatred a constant thing? I imagine it was situational where he hated whoever was offending him at the time, or whomoever's offense he was recalling. In any case, all deaths are equal and he killed men and women to express his hatred for them. Also, nobody is dwelling on the fact that he also expressed racist views; he repeatedly expressed infuriation that guys with skin of a different color from his were having sex with white girls. So, one might say that he hated men of colour more than white men . . . but that would also splitting hairs, and what's the point? He expressed for white guys too!

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Excellent find regarding the WoW influence. Not surprised at all.

@82_28

"But she has a true bonafide physically abusing BF now."

Sorry to hear that. Has she left him yet?
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Mon May 26, 2014 12:44 am

I have no idea. I assume. But, who knows. I care of course. But. . . .
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Mon May 26, 2014 12:48 am

@82_28

Sad to say, but your situation sounds like a cliche from the TRP and MRA subreddits. You're kind and gentle to your GF and she's mean to you, threatens to frame you to the police, then leaves you for someone who physically abuses her, then runs to you for help again, as if you owed to her even after she mistreated you. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but damn. I know of lots of situations likes this. They always get explained away or swept under the rug though.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Mon May 26, 2014 12:52 am

Yeah, but I would never consort with any of those jackasses. It's just life.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon May 26, 2014 12:55 am

Project Willow » Sun May 25, 2014 8:59 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » 25 May 2014 13:34 wrote:
I find it very saddening that in our male dominated world we have men blaming women for their own failure, for their own inate inability to dominate other men.


Yep, except I don't think it's innate. Ironically, it's the strictures of culturally constructed masculinity, a masculinity that favors domination over personal empowerment, emotional numbing over intimacy, among many other factors, that help keep men trapped in this circle. Are these men's rights groups interested in joining feminists in countering the destructive elements of our gender roles? Reading over some of the comments, it appears it's far easier to keep hating on the female sex. It makes me feel like I'm some sort of demigod, my every whim carrying the power of life and death over some poor unsuspecting man. It's sad, and twisted, and something that men have to fix for themselves.


Yes, Willow, innate was an inappropriate and inaccurate descriptor, especially because these acts of violence are indeed learned behaviors.

What seems to be a commonality in recent mass murders is the isolation, real or imagined, the perpetrators felt. And both shared in common a certain neurological condition limiting their ability to perceive the feelings of others.

I can only imagine how young he was when he first felt so set apart and different. Perhaps one day as a young child he asked his mother or father why nobody liked him enough to have him as their friend and they responded by telling him, "Well son, you're different than other boys; you're "special."

It is entirely possible that in addition to being mentally ill and in addition to his aspergers and social isolation he could have been a true sociopath. His writings seem to reflect this would be true.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Mon May 26, 2014 1:12 am

@82_28

So . . . you're saying men who post similar experiences to yours are ALL jackasses? I don't understand. If a bunch of women band together and talk about how they've been fucked over by men, and all the different ways, and what they can do to prevent it from happening again, and maybe there's something wrong with men, etc. It's perfectly fine. If men do this, they're jackasses. Makes no sense. Sure, some guys write inflammatory things. Other guys are assholes whatever. But there are legitimate grievances there. You seem perfectly fine with the fact that your girlfriend threatened to bear false witness against you to law enforcement. What if she'd actually made good on her threat? She could have really damaged your life. Women do this to men. And yet, all you can say is that "It's just life." If this part of a larger cultural pattern, if men all across the country are reporting similar incidents, and are wondering why it hapens, you have no curiousity as to why and no desire to contribute to the dialogue. It would be like women not banding together to talk about domestic violence or rape and how they can be prevented and avoided, because "It's just life."

I suppose also that MRAs are assholes for talking about all the prison rape that goes on in male prisons and how everyone makes jokes about it like its no big deal, or about the male genital mutilation known as circumcision, or men being conscripted into wars, etc. etc. Yep, jackasses indeed.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby BrandonD » Mon May 26, 2014 1:46 am

Project Willow » Sun May 25, 2014 7:59 pm wrote:Yep, except I don't think it's innate. Ironically, it's the strictures of culturally constructed masculinity, a masculinity that favors domination over personal empowerment, emotional numbing over intimacy, among many other factors, that help keep men trapped in this circle.


IMO the enforcement and encouragement of emotional coldness and cruelty, dressed up in the name "masculinity" so as to make a weakness appear as a strength, this is the main reason men are so effed-up in American society.

If one believes he must have a stance of competition with everyone and therefore never reveal his vulnerability or inner feelings in order to maintain what is expected of his gender, then change will only arrive via a major break of some sort, be it a heart attack or snapping and going psycho on a group of people.

I think these sort of instances are a wake up call that we need to make an effort to be a little more kind to the people around us. They may be going through a lot of pain and are unable to show it. I really do think that simple things like a male actually being kind or a female giving some sort of positive attention can make a big difference in the life of someone like this - then again, he's definitely an extreme example so perhaps his particular case would be an instance of "too little, too late".

But there are lots of males in various stages of hate and vengeance-feelings. I remember in high school I used to write comics where I had super powers and would kill all of my male friends, because they were very cruel to me back then and I didn't know what to do about my feelings. My dad was a nice guy and didn't raise my brothers and I to interact through aggression and the trading of insults and things like that, but males in society are quite a bit different.

Those comics were just fantasies that I never dreamed of truly acting out, but then again fantasies are a starting point. If my life circumstances were different, if my dad would've been a more typical male or I never ended up meeting some decent friends, then perhaps I could've fallen down a spiral of self-loathing and hatred like this guy.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Mon May 26, 2014 2:27 am

First off, bartending for 15 years I have worked around mostly women. I've heard it all. I had some relationships in my mid 20s and whatnot with staff. But I think probably around when I turned 30, I got over doing anything like that with staff. I'm 39 now. I became a male confidant to every woman I worked with -- 82_28 (me) actually has about 0% creep factor. When they would get "gross" I would plug my ears or something giving them the cue "too much information". I worked in a social atmosphere, not one cut off from female interaction.

While I do see what you're saying, feeling sorry for one's self is not a popular male trait. Just the way it is. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "jackasses". I agree, women do not realize actually how hard men do indeed have it. For gentle people, gentlemen, as it were, it can be quite difficult if you maintain your ethically kind behavior and still satiate the all important "needs" of both you and your female companions in the different spectrums we all must exist.

Since this conversation we're all having is about for the most part crazy men, I find it topical for men to talk about this as men. I do not believe this has verged into anything disproportionate to the feelings of our female members.

But yeah, I have no need to indulge my ill feelings for certain people because of a generalization of gender, race etc especially with a bunch of jilted men. Some people just suck.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Project Willow » Mon May 26, 2014 3:05 am

BrandonD » 25 May 2014 21:46 wrote:
IMO the enforcement and encouragement of emotional coldness and cruelty, dressed up in the name "masculinity" so as to make a weakness appear as a strength, this is the main reason men are so effed-up in American society.

If one believes he must have a stance of competition with everyone and therefore never reveal his vulnerability or inner feelings in order to maintain what is expected of his gender, then change will only arrive via a major break of some sort, be it a heart attack or snapping and going psycho on a group of people.


It's incredibly sad. I can't count the number of men I've seen struggling with various issues because they have no permission to be vulnerable with others, or heaven forbid, seek treatment. I can't count the number of times I knew a male friend was silently suffering because, out of the need to appear strong, he rebuffed all offers of help, or the number of times I've seen relationships break up because a girlfriend could no longer cope with the emotional disconnection. Lots of lives wasted, it's terrible.

Our economic system plays no small role. I have no interest in advancing the equality of women if such a program only ends up inserting us into greater positions of power within a morally bankrupt system built on the premise that a human life carries no intrinsic value, unless its labor is successfully sold in the marketplace.

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Since this is yet another mass shooting thread, I'll take the opportunity to post this trailer again, as well as an article I found valuable written in response to the Connecticut school shooting. These mass shootings will become a commonality until some shift or change in one system or another occurs.

http://thestartingfive.net/2012/12/18/manhood-crisis-at-the-heart-of-the-newtown-tragedy-part-i/

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