Hunter » Mon May 26, 2014 1:14 pm wrote:I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THIS TREND TO SAY EVERY ONE OF THESE EVENTS are hoaxes and using crisis actors and what their fucking agenda is, it is insane and make the rest of us who just want the truth and are apt to question certain things to get to it, look like kooks. Maybe that is the agenda and purpose!
"...Do You Have a Moment to Talk About the New World Order?"
Yes Alex plays a big part in that BUT WHAT IS HIS AGENDA, he has to KNOW that this sort of thing only serves to discredit real honest and sincere discussion about real coverups, corruption and actual literal conspiracies, so is that his agenda and purpose and who is he working for to accomplish that?
Is he a Hal Turner informant, is he working for the spooks, FBI?
There was also the Meatmen: "If you still have girl problems, the answer is at the end of your arm!"
I mean no personal affront, Sonic, but this, as quoted above, is some very bad advice.
Do you not realize that one's fists too, are located at the end of one's arms?
I would never suggest to any man angry for any reason with any woman to find relief at the end of his arms on the off-chance he might misinterpret my meaning.
Masturbating is no solution to "girl problems" which in reality are the boy's or man's problem.
Perhaps instead you'll in future recommend your horny friends to seek relief in the comfort of the five maidens. When asked who these 5 might be, you can inform them that they can be located at the end of one's hands.
And not to beat a dead horse, but yes the young man was indeed expressing misogynistic feelings. He killed two young women he did not know because he hated them with no sound reason. That he also killed four men does not moot that fact. It seems his motive for killing the men was simply his jealousy of them for being normal young men interacting normally with young women, something for some reason he was incapable of. He never seems to have experienced rejection, only the fear of it. And so, he avoided such situations and his fantasy grew dangerously.
His self-loathing cannot be disguised by his apparent hate speech towards all.
I don't doubt that whatever aspergers-like affliction he had limited him in some way. He also seems to have exhibited sociopathic behaviors, his words seem to reveal no understanding of feelings of others or that others actually have feelings of their own.
I have to say, there are similarities to this spree murderer and the 26 year old fellow who committed the mass murder that took my son's life 8 years ago.
Both wanted to kill many more than they did before each committed suicide immediately afterward. Neither had a true understanding of who their victims were.
While VT kinda blew the Seattle murders off the map, I do wish that at least here at RI we wouldn't forget the seven who died there the year before whenever listing mass murders. Please include March 25, 2006. (How I wish I could rid that site of his photo and replace it with those of his six victims!)
The six Isla Vista massacre victims, from top left: Christopher Michaels-Martinez, Veronika Weiss, Katie Cooper, Cheng-Yuan Hong, George Chen, Weihan Wang.
I came across this yesterday as I went from link to link. I had not heard of 'sofa dating' and was curious how it differed from my own experience (which involved sofas, cars, tents and mountaintops)...
I was cheering along at the message of esteem, and suddenly the terms of commodity started to come out like "why buy the cow when the milk is free?", and a lot of it began to boil down to holding out for the proper marriageable target. Like the mavens of the "Rules", it paints both sides locked in a battle where love doesn't matter as much as the securing of a asset. I'd say it's 'rich people problems', but humans as a species still have a hard time not thinking of women in proprietary terms. Making women more capable in negotiating does nothing to free us or men from the stereotypes that keep all of us suffering.
So perhaps in this situation you have elite male who owns all the baubles and geegaws and feels entitled to a certain class of woman, but who as a mate is not seen as a good investment by his female elite peers and is confronted with the fact that his peers, especially the women he feels are his potential mates, reject him.
It's all fucked up.
“The Radium Water Worked Fine until His Jaw Came Off”
Although some will object to this, my view, of why we're hearing 'Hoax!" after every event made deadly by a gunman, I believe in many cases it is coming from members and supporters of the gun lobby.
Every mass murder spurs gun sales local to the tragedy and nothing sells gun like fear, especially the fear that their government will confiscate their firearms.
With more guns than people, confiscation of everyone's firearms would be an impossible task. A fact little realized by the fearful.
The reason they're crying hoax is because they so mistrust our government they believe absolutely nothing is beyond its ability and that the gov't. is staging these events, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing and now this, to raise the public hate for firearms so they will be banned and confiscated.
Since 2008 I have been an active participant in some blogs calling for better gun controls. The ignorance on both sides of the issue is vast, but one side always provides citations to the facts the present and the other rarely does but feels free to criticize whatever is being presented.
Today is our Memorial Day, a day of remembrance of those who had fallen in our wars. I lost two very good friends in Vietnam and have a hard time looking at our prom night photos seeing one who never returned sitting there at our table, as happy as can be. Bless you Bruce Kitson and Charlie Molano. Charlie taught me to water ski and was a medic in Nam who was shot in the back and killed by friendly fire, leaving his young wife an tow very young children behind.
Since 1968 more people have been killed in the US by firearms than have fallen in all the wars we've ever fought, going back to the French and Indian War before our nation was founded. Every year that passes nearly 100,000 people in the US are either killed or wounded by firearms and each year the public's financial burden grows caring for the ever-increasing number of victims who have survived their woundings.
A federal comprehensive background check for every firearm purchase would go a long way to stem the flow of weapons into criminal hands and will help prevent guns from being obtained by the mentally deranged.
Luther Blissett » Mon May 26, 2014 5:36 pm wrote:Just a quick survey for everyone here: does the term "fedora" mean anything to you aside from a hat? Or "m'lady", in contemporary terms?
Fedora as in tipping? Yes.
barracuda wrote:The path from RI moderator to True Blood fangirl to Jehovah's Witness seems pretty straightforward to me. Perhaps even inevitable.
A hat that went from the sure sign of an early 1900's tough guy, to the sure sign of a 1980's and onward loser who is desperately seeking for a style to call their own (and ruining everything they touch in the process).
BrandonD » 25 May 2014 21:46 wrote: IMO the enforcement and encouragement of emotional coldness and cruelty, dressed up in the name "masculinity" so as to make a weakness appear as a strength, this is the main reason men are so effed-up in American society.
If one believes he must have a stance of competition with everyone and therefore never reveal his vulnerability or inner feelings in order to maintain what is expected of his gender, then change will only arrive via a major break of some sort, be it a heart attack or snapping and going psycho on a group of people.
It's incredibly sad. I can't count the number of men I've seen struggling with various issues because they have no permission to be vulnerable with others, or heaven forbid, seek treatment. I can't count the number of times I knew a male friend was silently suffering because, out of the need to appear strong, he rebuffed all offers of help, or the number of times I've seen relationships break up because a girlfriend could no longer cope with the emotional disconnection. Lots of lives wasted, it's terrible.
Our economic system plays no small role. I have no interest in advancing the equality of women if such a program only ends up inserting us into greater positions of power within a morally bankrupt system built on the premise that a human life carries no intrinsic value, unless its labor is successfully sold in the marketplace.
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Since this is yet another mass shooting thread, I'll take the opportunity to post this trailer again, as well as an article I found valuable written in response to the Connecticut school shooting. These mass shootings will become a commonality until some shift or change in one system or another occurs.
I agree with you. But even better than a change in a particular system would be a real change of heart in people. If we were to genuinely have a change of values then our systems would naturally change as a reflection of this.
That's why I think these sort of instances are helpful as a reminder of how huge of an impact each of us can potentially have on other people in our world, without even knowing it. Our choice to be kind or to be a jerk can actually make a big difference in the life of someone else.
There was a period of time about 10 years ago where I suddenly started receiving a lot of female attention, and earlier in my life this had never happened. I was a bit overwhelmed and didn't know how to handle it, and though I'm generally a nice guy I don't think I was really that great of a person at that time. I was fairly detached from the females I was involved with.
During that time I briefly dated a stripper with a lot of inner demons that I didn't know about. And though I didn't treat her badly I didn't bother to get to know her either, I mainly dated her because she was a major catch from the POV of an alpha male and I had never felt like the alpha male before. And also, she came across as very self-sufficient as though she didn't need anyone anyway.
Well, I discovered about a year after we dated that she committed suicide. I always think about that, if I had just tried once to really get to know her, maybe it could've made a big difference in her life. I'm sure she felt really alone, maybe connecting with her was the whole reason I was in her life in the first place and I totally blew it.
That's why these situations make me think about the people in our lives, they can be right next to you and you don't know what they are going through. So we should make an effort to open up and be a little more decent to one another.
Some people are saying that he is an actor, and who knows I suppose anything's possible, but I don't think he is. His laughs are fake in the sense that he doesn't actually find any humor in what he's saying, inside he is in hell and miserable. He felt this was his only escape from the torment of his life, that is what that video said to me.
I try not to see people as good/evil caricatures, I think there was a possibility to have helped this guy if someone might have reached him sooner. American culture teaches us such false garbage, that it is normal and sane to be totally self-involved and self-serving, to disappear in our own little bubbles of self-importance. But we are supposed to be a community, we are supposed to actually be here for one another.
That is something that struck me during my first trip out of the country, when I travelled to South America. I was sitting inside my hotel looking out at the town square. After the sun went down, I saw a large group of people beginning to congregate out in the square. It got larger and larger, and I wondered what sort of special event was taking place.
After a while I realized that there was no event taking place, people just naturally congregated there at night. For no reason at all, just to be around each other. I couldn't conceive of this sort of thing happening in America, we don't see ourselves as part of a community, we are like little islands in front of our TVs. The feeling of what I was seeing out in the square was so festive and infectious that I had to put on my shoes and go outside and join them.
I really think that this feeling of community and fellowship is something that needs to return to western culture, that sort of thing keeps most people from veering too far down a dark and lonely road. I have no idea how that could happen though, it seems every day it is moving further away from our society.
"One measures a circle, beginning anywhere." -Charles Fort
"Fedora" has been showing up increasingly as a shorthand by women online to signify when they're being harassed by self-identified MRAs online. Because at one point MRM / friendzoned "nice guys" / pick up artists / involuntary celibates moved far beyond divorce and custody issues and coalesced into some loose form of subculture. For whatever reason, fedoras, medieval slang, "new aetheism" (see the RI thread for details) all started being used as symbols by a visible and vocal subset of men's rights activists. When a woman saw a reference to a fedora or was addressed with a "m'lady" they knew that some kind of sexual harassment was not far behind. So women have taken to using "fedora" as a beacon to other women to mark harassers.
I was just reminded to ask since a lot of the MRM defenses posted here seem unaware of the current social politics and backlash, and I just saw a woman refer to Rodger as a fedora.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
For anyone questioning whether this was a real event, let me restate that I know someone who is in the sorority he targeted and was a block away when the rampage started.
I mean perhaps it was some "powers that be" setup but he and the deaths are real.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
3, People are focusing online naturally to motive. This time running with the "nice guy" male entitlement theme. Another snot nosed punk kid who acted out violent fantasies, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, carried out the Boston marathon bombing as protest to America's killing of Muslims overseas. Who knows if any of these are the real trigger and sole reason though.
4. In a few days noone will be discussing this...until the next snot nosed 22 year old goes on a killing rampage. We'll have 55 page threads about the "CNN Reporting amusement park massacre" or "Report of a mass shooting at such and such mall". Or something really bizarre. Oh it might be because some 22 year old loner is distraught over bullies, or because he thinks he's the reincarnation of Genghis Khan or whatever the fuck.
And once again, people will miss the main issue that is always the main issue: GUNS.
5, I'm seeing all this focus on male privilege, slut shaming, etc. Yet noone wants to talk about the sickening and demeaning structure that's held firmly in place against women by BOTH genders. The horrible things young girls to older women continually spew forth about other women. The whole system is rotten. look how MOST violence, death, war, etc is caused by men. How most physical relationship abuse is by men. Yet women continue to support and "stand by their man". The continuing support by women of faiths and cultures that keep them down, or buying into this same system. These hashtag armchair "feminists" have nothing on the brave feminist marchers and activists of the civil rights era. I hate to say.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
