Mass Shooting in California

[Hunter]

8bit, correct, and while I concede guns do make killing much easier, you can kill more people faster etc, I really dont think it is the method or tool used to kill as much as it is the intent and desire to kill THAT IS THE PROBLEM, we need to find a way to help these unstable people who have an intent and desire to kill because of their mental illness or whatever it is that is causing it because guns or no guns, as we agreed upon, if they are hellbent on killing they will find a way somehow and that is what we need to address because we cant ban every single object that could be used as a murder weapon hence banning guns really isnt the answer. Making them a little harder to get for some people might be something I would entertain but I am not sure how that would work in practice, I would have to give that more thought before I could make any suggestions. Would love to hear others though.

[TheDuke]

Curious what you all think about this, the social hierarchy or "The Game" as it is often referred to. I find some of it to be strangely accurate from my experiences in social circles from parties, social events, church or politics:

FWIW I have been called a Sigma, by those who know me well.


The socio-sexual hierarchy

Alpha: The alpha is the tall, good-looking guy who is the center of both male and female attention. The classic star of the football team who is dating the prettiest cheerleader. The successful business executive with the beautiful, stylish, blonde, size zero wife. All the women are attracted to him, while all the men want to be him, or at least be his friend. At a social gathering like a party, he's usually the loud, charismatic guy telling self-flattering stories to a group of attractive women who are listening with interest. However, alphas are only interested in women to the extent that they exist for the alpha's gratification, physical and psychological, they are actually more concerned with their overall group status.

Lifetime sexual partners = 4x average+.

Beta: Betas are the good-looking guys who aren't as uniformly attractive or socially dominant as the Alpha, but are nevertheless confident, attractive to women, and do well with them. At the party, they are the loud guy's friends who showed up with the alcohol and who are flirting with the tier one women and cheerfully pairing up with the tier two women. Betas tend to genuinely like women and view them in a somewhat optimistic manner, but they don't have a lot of illusions about them either. Betas tend to be happy, secure in themselves, and are up for anything their alpha wants to do. When they marry, it is not infrequently to a woman who was one of the alpha's former girlfriends.

Lifetime sexual partners = 2-3x average.

Delta: The normal guy. Deltas are the great majority of men. They can't attract the most attractive women, so they usually aim for the second-tier women with very limited success, and stubbornly resist paying attention to all of the third-tier women who are comfortably in their league. This is ironic, because deltas would almost always be happier with their closest female equivalents. When a delta does manage to land a second-tier woman, he is constantly afraid that she will lose interest in him and will, not infrequently, drive her into the very loss of interest he fears by his non-stop dancing of attendance upon her. In a social setting, the deltas are the men clustered together in groups, each of them making an occasional foray towards various small gaggles of women before beating a hasty retreat when direct eye contact and engaged responses are not forthcoming. Deltas tend to put the female sex on pedestals and have overly optimistic expectations of them; if a man rhapsodizes about his better half or is an inveterate White Knight, he is almost certainly a delta. Deltas like women, but find them mysterious, confusing, and are sometimes secretly a little afraid of them.

Lifetime sexual partners = 1-1.5x average

Gamma: The introspective, the unusual, the unattractive, and all too often the bitter. Gammas are often intelligent, usually unsuccessful with women, and not uncommonly all but invisible to them, the gamma alternates between placing women on pedestals and hating the entire sex. This mostly depends upon whether an attractive woman happened to notice his existence or not that day. Too introspective for their own good, gammas are the men who obsess over individual women for extended periods of time and supply the ranks of stalkers, psycho-jealous ex-boyfriends, and the authors of excruciatingly romantic rhyming doggerel. In the unlikely event they are at the party, they are probably in the corner muttering darkly about the behavior of everyone else there... sometimes to themselves. Gammas tend to have have a worship/hate relationship with women, the current direction of which is directly tied to their present situation. However, they are sexual rejects, not social rejects.

Lifetime voluntary sexual partners = .5x average

Omega: The truly unfortunate. Omegas are the social losers who were never in the game. Sometimes creepy, sometimes damaged, often clueless, and always undesirable. They're not at the party. It would never have crossed anyone's mind to invite them in the first place. Omegas are either totally indifferent to women or hate them with a borderline homicidal fury.

Lifetime sexual partners < 2

Sigma: The outsider who doesn't play the social game yet manages to win at it anyhow. The sigma is hated by alphas because sigmas are the only men who don't accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a sigma can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than smiling at him.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules. Sigma is simply the guy who doesn't care. He's too busy doing things he finds to be interesting to bother monitoring or working on his socio-sexual status. Despite this fact, he still manages to be placed at the top of the hierarchy with the Alphas by others. Clint Eastwood in many of his roles and Paul Newman in many of his are typical Sigmas. Sigmas were not the popular kids in school, they were the outcasts who had to earn their way to the top of the hierarchy through the school of hard knocks, unlike Alphas who have always been the big man on campus.

Lifetime sexual partners = 4x average+.

Lambda: Those men who have quite literally no interest in conventional male-female sexual relations. They clearly have their own hierarchy of sorts (homosexuals).

Lifetime sexual partners = 10x average+

Now, it is important to keep in mind that it serves absolutely no purpose to identify yourself in some manner that you think is "better" or higher up the hierarchy. No one cares what you think you are and your opinion about your place in the social hierarchy is probably the opinion that matters least. There is no good or bad here, there is only what happens to be observable in social interaction. Consider: alphas seemingly rule the roost and yet they live in a world of constant conflict and status testing. Sigmas usually acquired their outsider status the hard way; one seldom becomes immune to the social hierarchy by virtue of mass popularity in one's childhood. Betas... okay, betas actually have it pretty good. But the important thing to keep in mind is that you can't improve your chances of success in the social game if you begin by attempting to deceive yourself as to where you stand vis-a-vis everyone else around you.


I THINK RODGER WAS AN OMEGA WHO WANTED TO BE AN ALPHA AND JUST WASNT.

From your writing in here you strike me more as a Gamma and probably part of being a Gamma is deluding yourself you're a Sigma.

[Hunter]

Actually this is all new to me, a friend introduced it to me recently and said he thought I was a Sigma. Looking at it I can see where I also fit the gamma role and that might be where I would put myself, the exception, however, would be having no problems with females, I have always been able to get good dates with hot girls, of course that was many years ago before I got married and old. But I was definitely an outsider and not involved in social circles but in spite of that I got good dates and was a top athlete at the school without ever hanging or being friendly with the jocks etc. Yet I can also see myself as the gamma, at a party sitting off in a corner with other gammas and making fun of all the sheeple groveling over their bread and circuses.

[TheDuke]

The ironic thing is my response was probably gamma or omega

I find the classifications awful although like all great falsehoods they contains seeds of truth

[Hunter]

LOL yea good point. I doubt youre an Omega, that is a select few. I think Rodger was though.


I dont care for the list much myself but I have seen some of it in action IRL at parties and such, the Alpha and his Beta minions, all the Deltas a few Gammas and certainly never an Omega! Haha.

I agree though, there is some seeds of truth but overall pretty silly, but strangely interesting nonetheless,I will be looking for it when I am among groups, see if I can spot all these people lol.

[Iamwhomiam]

Isla Vista killing spree: All victims identified



The six Isla Vista massacre victims, from top left: Christopher Michaels-Martinez, Veronika Weiss, Katie Cooper, Cheng-Yuan Hong, George Chen, Weihan Wang.

http://abc7.com/news/isla-vista-killing ... ied/76775/

Thank you, elfi. I deeply appreciate your sharing with us his victims' photographs. Unfortunately and sadly, soon they will be forgotten by most, while their murderer's name will be remembered by many.

[Hunter]

The bottom three were exchange students from Taiwan and they were his roommates, they all four lived together and he killed them first to kick off his murder spree. Absolutely tragic that these kids with promising futures are all gone in a split second, I cant imagine being a parent in such a situation, never getting to say your goodbyes etc. Just...heartbreaking.

[Iamwhomiam]

I've a bit to say about what has transpired over the past few pages, but that will have to wait until later today. I'll be taking issue with comments made by 8bit, Luther and Hunter. Let this suffice for now, The focus is not on the gun in pro/anti arguments. It is the ease of access to firearms that is the issue. It's simply too easy to obtain a firearm legally or illegally.

While NY has perhaps the most stringent of gun laws, I can take a half hour ride to Vermont and purchase any firearm I can afford legally, without a permit.

Same is true in Chicago. a short ride to another state with different, more lax gun laws and nearly anyone can buy a weapon of choice and bring it back to be sold on the black market. It's all about money and profits.

And if anyone reading RI doubts the extraordinary profits being made from private and military weaponry sales and the corrupt practices their lobby exercises, well, I'd be astounded.

[Hunter]

I've a bit to say about what has transpired over the past few pages, but that will have to wait until later today. I'll be taking issue with comments made by 8bit, Luther and Hunter. Let this suffice for now, The focus is not on the gun in pro/anti arguments. It is the ease of access to firearms that is the issue. It's simply too easy to obtain a firearm legally or illegally.

While NY has perhaps the most stringent of gun laws, I can take a half hour ride to Vermont and purchase any firearm I can afford legally, without a permit.

Same is true in Chicago. a short ride to another state with different, more lax gun laws and nearly anyone can buy a weapon of choice and bring it back to be sold on the black market. It's all about money and profits.

And if anyone reading RI doubts the extraordinary profits being made from private and military weaponry sales and the corrupt practices their lobby exercises, well, I'd be astounded.

Uh oh, I feel like I am in trouble now...lol


Anyway, I pretty much agree with you that it is too easy to get a gun and we should try and figure out a way to fix that without limiting the rights of those who can be trusted with them.

[Luther Blissett]

I agree with everything said there too. I think we hashed out a great discussion in the Guns (Yawn) thread even though I might not have participated in it.

Whenever there's a sociopolitical motive claimed in an attack, especially when I can directly perceive ties to a movement as in this one (similar language, similar terms, similar communities, similar ideologies) I'm going to perk up. For instance, I didn't examine the Utøya massacre strictly through a gun access / gun control lens.

[conniption]

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THIS TREND TO SAY EVERY ONE OF THESE EVENTS are hoaxes and using crisis actors and what their fucking agenda is, it is insane and make the rest of us who just want the truth and are apt to question certain things to get to it, look like kooks. Maybe that is the agenda and purpose!

"...Do You Have a Moment to Talk About the New World Order?"

~

or like this?

Santa Barbara Drive-By Mass Shooting Hoax Exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sttXrM32lCo
TeamWakeEmUP
Published on May 24, 2014

or this?

Just sayin'...this thread would not have been complete without them.

Sorry...(but not really.)

Gotta keep up my (bad) reputation.

[JackRiddler]

Inevitably! I'm surprised it's taken this long for Santa Barbara truth to appear on this forum. Perhaps because this case is so fucking believable? Like we don't all know a bunch of douchebags like this? Like we're completely unfamiliar with'em? Almost none that would break down and be such monsters, but let's face it...

Another useless thought: Why do these fucking rampages never happen in boardrooms? (This also illustrates another pragmatic reason I am strictly for non-violence in confronting the system: the noise-to-signal ratio on oppositional violent action would be RIDICULOUSLY skewed.)

Recalling the laughable Apatow/Rogen angle (no seriously: who can believe Fatty Rogen would ever be a successful guy... um, except that he actually is, and sort of deserves it as a reasonably decent performer?)

If there's a show that doesn't involve constant individual and mass killing and glorification of violence that nevertheless might have had a reinforcing influence on the misogynist mindset of women as disposable consumer items, here's one:


Spoiler: Doesn't end with the satisfaction of a painful death for the whole crew.

[minime]

Inevitably! I'm surprised it's taken this long for Santa Barbara truth to appear on this forum. Perhaps because this case is so fucking believable? Like we don't all know a bunch of douchebags like this? Like we're completely unfamiliar with'em? Almost none that would break down and be such monsters, but let's face it...

Another useless thought: Why do these fucking rampages never happen in boardrooms? (This also illustrates another pragmatic reason I am strictly for non-violence in confronting the system: the noise-to-signal ratio on oppositional violent action would be RIDICULOUSLY skewed.)

Recalling the laughable Apatow/Rogen angle (no seriously: who can believe Fatty Rogen would ever be a successful guy... um, except that he actually is, and sort of deserves it as a reasonably decent performer?)

If there's a show that doesn't involve constant individual and mass killing and glorification of violence that nevertheless might have had a reinforcing influence on the misogynist mindset of women as disposable consumer items, here's one:


Spoiler: Doesn't end with the satisfaction of a painful death for the whole crew.

What? Is this English gematria?

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

I expected social media to be consumed by a trite and boring shitfest about gun control. Instead everyone is having a trite and boring shitfest about feminism. Did you know that when a man is hitting on you saying you have a boyfriend is more effective than no because the guy hitting on you respects the man more than you? Thanks to #yesallwomen I now know this. Its really inspiring how we as a generation of socially aware people have managed to turn this tragedy into an opportunity for real discussion about real issues, which will theoretically eventually effect those issues. Unless of course you disagree with the discussion, in which case you are #partoftheproblem and you need to just listen. The brutal murder of 7 people shows that more than ever we NEED to have this discussion about people getting called "baby" by strangers.

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

http://pando.com/2014/05/27/911-sandy-h ... mory-hole/

YouTube has deleted the videos from an account believed to have belonged to Elliott Rodger, the disturbed 22-year-old man suspected of killing six people and wounding 13 in Isla Vista, California.

Flushed down the Memory Hole include selfie-vid rants with titles like “My reaction to seeing a young couple at the beach, Envy” and “Life is so unfair because girls don’t want me.”

A YouTube spokesperson told Mashable: “Our hearts go out to the families affected by this terrible news. Videos threatening violence are against YouTube’s guidelines and we remove them when they are flagged.” Fair enough.

Not so much the next part.

“We encourage anyone who sees material that they think crosses the line to flag it for us,” YouTube’s PR flack continued. “As YouTube is a place where people come for information, where content is posted in a news context it will be allowed to stay on the site.”

But that’s the thing: Elliott Rodger’s rants weren’t merely newsworthy. Though evidently the product of a foggy brain, his videos were/are a rare first-person account of a now-dead mass murderer’s self-proclaimed motivations. They were/are as close as we — as well as the victims and their survivors — will ever get to understanding why six people are dead.

Those videos were/are news. But now they’re gone.

As is, now, Rodger’s freshly-cleansed YouTube account itself.

Media types seem oddly sanguine about this reflexive deletion of history.

I understand the arguments in favor of — there is no other word — censorship. The trouble is, no one is speaking out against what has become the automatic knee-jerk reaction following national tragedies: erase, delete, wipe away. Anything that causes us to feel uncomfortable, that brings back traumatizing memories, is effaced from existence.

Censorship is so obviously the right thing to do that we don’t talk about it.

Post-tragedy, politicians and other public figures follow a standard script. The vacuous statement: “Our hearts go out to the victims and their families, our thanks to the first responders, blah blah blah.” Studiously missing the point: Too many guns! Too much misogyny! Culture of violence! (Hint: sometimes crazy people snap. Always have, always will.)

Finally, Full Orwell.

After mass school shootings at Columbine and Sandy Hook, radical renovation and demolition of the buildings. Because, you see, moving walls and drop-off addresses helps the healing process.

After Sandy Hook, one victim — Nancy Lanza, the shooter’s mom ­— was disappeared from the total count of victims. Talk about misogyny! She didn’t deserve to be mourned because (a) she gave birth to a monster and/or (b) could have been a mom.

Had 9/11 occurred in a different country, there is a strong chance that the pile of debris would have been left in place. What could have served as a more powerful memorial? In Bush-era America, there was no debate. What remained of the World Trade Center was hauled off, body parts and all, and unceremoniously vanished into the city dump.

News media sanitized their web archives, deleting footage of office workers falling to their deaths.

Censorship is almost always baseless. What is the rationale of banning the sale of Nazi ephemera on eBay? It isn’t as though Americans are about to be seduced by 75-year-old pins into forming a neo-Nazi party. You can still find the anti-tax screed of a man who flew his small plane into the Austin IRS office in 2010; four years later, there’s no sign of copycats.

Americans deserve a discussion over whether historically significant, newsworthy bits of information should be cavalierly deleted from the Internet. Whether it is the Isla Vista shooter’s so-called manifesto, or his YouTube videos, or footage of 9/11 jumpers, these are important and historically relevant artifacts that not only the historians of the future but ordinary Americans today have an inherent right to see should they so desire.