Can we start a new "crisis actor" thread?

[Nordic]

Nah, I gotta go with, "Lends limited support".

I do this shit for a living and I also draw photo realistically. I can draw both of these women's faces and I can tell you they are the same woman.

Hey, I'm a good drawer too.

What do you mean you do this shit for a living? Forensic face mapping? That's not what the IMDB says.

C'mon, the Twobama's are way cool. Mostly because, you just know there's, like, nine of 'em around. Good ones, though.

No I'm not a "forensic face mapper" and neither are you. But I light people and photograph them and study them and am extremely good at knowing all the topography of someone's face, and how light and shadow and makeup affect their appearance, and I remember it all. And I can tell you that those 2 are the same woman. And that in the other video I posted the other 2 women they claim are all the same are not.

[barracuda]

Yeah. I realize we're not in a courtroom, but when the technical experts in the field say stuff like this on their website…

...facial mapping cannot be used to conclusively identify someone.

I'll take it as a given. Particularly in the context of accusing private individuals (of whom we know, really, nothing at all about) of complicity in horrific and gruesome crimes of murder and mayhem. But that's just me.

Maybe that's how they get people to fall for it - the ol' "decency" angle. Ah, crap.

in the other video I posted the other 2 women they claim are all the same are not.

Good eye. I think we've found common footing there. "Lends no support".

[elfismiles]

I just don't buy it. I don't believe those 2 women are definitively the same person.

I think I should be a casting director because I often see famous people in others faces and think to myself, "hey, that guy looks a lot like Harrison Ford - if someone wants their lead actor to look like Harrison, he's there guy - never mind if they can act."

As with most deep state / parapolitical research, I want to see a proven track record of a tactic's use (preferably with a paper trail and multiple witnesses supporting said tactic) before I begin alleging or speculating on said tactic's use elsewhere.

Perhaps the first "crisis actors" were troops dressed in the uniforms of their enemies performing a covert-op meant to be observed witnesses in order to facilitate the most basic and infamous conspiracy tactic: The False Flag / Counterfeit Foe.

Or perhaps its as simple a tactic as the classic frame-up device using a "planted witness".

But in those cases it would seem that most of those "bad actors" are either believers in the cause (soldiers / mercs) or being manipulated into the role (snitches kept out of legal trouble by doing LEOs a favor and/or blackmailed into a role and urged to keep quiet under threat of death or revelations).

But the way this modern idea of "crisis acting" is employed ... I don't believe any of these people are likely to go-along with such scenarios for any length of time; for what cause ... "heightened security" ... or are they all being blackmailed into it?

And other people involved in the local news outlet would likely catch-on methinks. Camera people, reporters, office-gophers, etc. and someone would talk as they aren't likely "in on it."

While I might be able to imagine a circumstance where such an actor might be necessary to a particular covert-op, so far I've not seen an example from the Crisis Actor Crowd-Sourcing Conspiracy Community that would actually indicate a need for their performances.

Now, all those military interventionist pundits on all the msm news shows ... there are some real freakin crisis actors.

Meanwhile, yeah like you said Nordic, we have a growing crowd of knuckle-heads clouding these issues by playing a SEPARATED AT BIRTH lookalike game with anybody and everybody, furthering the post-911, post-Matrix, post-PKD simulacra surreality mindset.

EDIT: to add images and links...







Published: May 24, 2013
Facial recognition technology proves its mettle
Contact(s): Tom Oswald
http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/facia ... ts-mettle/
http://www.cse.msu.edu/rgroups/biometri ... spects.pdf

A Case Study on Unconstrained Facial Recognition Using the Boston Marathon Bombings Suspects
Joshua C. Klontz, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI, U.S.A - klontzjo@msu.edu
Anil K. Jain, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI, U.S.A - jain@cse.msu.edu

Technical Report MSU-CSE-13-4
Last Revised May 30, 2013

Abstract
The investigation surrounding the Boston Marathon bombings was a missed opportunity for automated facial recognition to assist law enforcement in identifying suspects. We simulate the identification scenario presented by the investigation using two state-of-the-art commercial face recognition systems, and gauge the maturity of face recognition technology in matching low quality face images of uncooperative subjects. Our experimental results show one instance where a commercial face matcher returns a rank-one hit for suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev against a one
million mugshot background database. Though issues surrounding pose, occlusion, and resolution continue to confound matchers, there have been significant advances made in face recognition technology to assist law enforcement agencies in their investigations.

http://www.cse.msu.edu/rgroups/biometri ... spects.pdf

Boston manhunt: Facial recognition technology catching on with police
By Steve Johnson
sjohnson@mercurynews.com
Posted: 04/19/2013 04:18:11 PM PDT0 Comments
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_23065326/ ... ing-police

Biometrics: Using Facial-Recognition Technology to Track Down the Boston Bombers (and Why Humans Are Still Better at It)
By Drake Bennett April 19, 2013
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... on-bombers

Monday, Apr 14, 2014 05:58 PM CDT
My iconic nightmare: How I became the face of the Boston bombing
One year ago, Jeff Bauman lost both of his legs. But his story is one of resilience, not despair
Jeff Bauman
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/14/my_icon ... n_bombing/

Homeland Security and Public Safety
PA Facial Recognition Systems Integrate to Aid Investigations
The Pennsylvania Justice Network and state Department of Transportation integrated their facial recognition systems, providing a more comprehensive resource for criminal investigations.
Sarah Rich | September 4, 2013
http://www.emergencymgmt.com/safety/Pen ... stems.html

Could facial recognition technology have caught the Boston bombers?
BY Joshua Keating
JUNE 19, 2013 - 11:37 AM
http://ideas.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... on_bombers

Tech + Engineering
The Limits of Facial Recognition
By Tim De Chant on Fri, 26 Apr 2013
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/ ... cognition/


PLANTED WITNESSES

The Mammoth Book of Perfect Crimes & Impossible Mysteries
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=1780333595
Mike Ashley - 2011 - ‎Fiction
The car reached the lobby, but itseemed to arriveempty, and Bailey,the carefully planted witness, noticed nothing. “In the meantime, Kimball stepped fromthe ...

Philippine Daily Inquirer - Jul 5, 2001
Is Ador a 'planted' witness? AUTHORITIES should view with suspicion the allegations of a guy who hid behind the name ador to purportedly expose the ...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 ... 9,41688861

May 5, 2010 19:56 IST
Aradhana was a planted witness, claims Rathore’s lawyer
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 422551.ece

Deadly Farce: Harvey Matusow and the Informer System in ...
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=0252028864
Robert M. Lichtman, ‎Ronald D. Cohen - 2004 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
43. New York Times, Feb. 4, 1955 ("Matusow Termed 'Planted' Witness"), Feb. 6, 1955, sec. 4 ("Repentant Matusow"); Director to Asst. Atty. Gen. Tompkins, Feb.

[elfismiles]

Perhaps we could approach this by each alleged incident.

Another armchair Crisis Dummy researcher's expose...

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheHumanDuplicators/
https://archive.org/details/HoaxWitnessNickPugh

LAX/TSA Hoax Witnesses - Who Is Nick Pugh AKA Mark Walsh - Fake Airport Shooting Busted

Rapid progress in exposing the staged TSA/LAX "shooting." Diligent research into the fake witnesses, who evidently were part of the Hollywood orchestration for the ultimate media story. The "Paul Ciancia, anti-NWO Shooter" story continues to unravel, as it is revealed that NO ONE recognized photos of "Paul Ciancia" at his supposed Los Angeles Address. This harmonizes well with the fact that "no one knew him" in New Jersey either... and the fact that no two descriptions of him by real eyewitnesses at the airport match the "official" "Paul Ciancia."

Also see:

https://archive.org/details/2013AirportShootingHoax

https://archive.org/details/LAXShootingHoaxActors

https://archive.org/details/Internation ... ootingHoax

There are six videos here. Three of them deal with very interesting possible connections of actors to the Navy Yard 'shooting', and the Kenya Mall 'shooting' event, as well as 9/11.

Some items may appear here under Fair Use.

[minime]

Clones individuate.

[Luther Blissett]

Aren't there businesses for hiring crisis actors? This isn't to say that I think there are any prove cases of crises wherein law enforcement rolls out the crisis actors, but it's definitely used in simulations. There's only a short gap between the two cases.

[Elvis]

Aren't there businesses for hiring crisis actors? This isn't to say that I think there are any prove cases of crises wherein law enforcement rolls out the crisis actors, but it's definitely used in simulations. There's only a short gap between the two cases.

I think this might have already been posted: http://crisisactors.org/.

Kinda interesting; among other things they post a lot of news stories about crisis exercises and such.

[82_28]

I can't tell. There is a possibility. I've been told I've been seen places that I haven't been to in months. All the time, in fact. Nope, wasn't me, but it is interesting how this question can be leveraged for grand events such as the OP discussion.

This, like 9/11 would have been impossible decades ago. Thus, I side with, "they know this too". I think a more (granted extremely speculative) explanation is that they know this and it makes the crisis actors theory all the more confounding once they insert the crisis actor. Has it ever made any sense this new concept of having "important" shit go down during police or military drills? I'd never heard of it before -- that is, until the Internet. Remember this bullshit is "full spectrum dominance". No stone unturned and every fallen sparrow counted by our emerging TECH-GOD. To say that anyone doubts any of the crisis actor bullshit is to say "welcome to the club", you have arrived into the new reality, for lack of a better term.

Most science has been bastardized and that bastardization is being spoon fed along with our faith in TECH-GOD.

I do believe people 20 years younger than me believe in TECH-GOD.

[Elvis]

I do believe people 20 years younger than me believe in TECH-GOD.

Oh but the TECH-GOD protects us from the environment! We should get down on our knees and thank...er...the TECH-GOD for this.


But seriously, mostly, this seems like a good place to relate an encounter I had several years ago. What I'd really like to know is, has anyone else encountered someone like this guy?:

I was on a almost-full Greyhound bus, going to Seattle, sitting near the very back, when at a stop some people got on, including an energetic and gregarious young man who took the seat next to me. He was very chatty with everyone around him, and he offered everyone in the nearby seats some pepperoni sticks or something (I accepted two or three of these since I had the munchies). He was blonde, clean-cut, in good shape and, as I recall, carried a backpack (no significance to the backpack, just trying to fill in the scene as best I remember it). FWIW, he was the right age (mid-20s) and had the bearing of someone recently in the military.

I don't remember how it came up, but he soon started telling me about his job, with a certain non-chalance and hint of bravado (paraphrasing from memory):

"I work for the CIA. FBI too, sometimes." (Or maybe he said, "I do things for the CIA..." but pretty sure he first said "work.")

"That must be interesting," I said.

"Oh yeah. They have us doing all kinds of stuff."

I held up the title page of the book I was reading for him to see: COMPROMISED: Clinton, Bush, and the CIA.

He appeared to read he title, and his only reaction was, "Oh cool!" and cheerfully continued to describe his "work":

"There are a bunch of us -- they call us together to a city for an operation and we do shit. We act shit out..."

We act shit out -- he might not have used those exact words but that's the gist of my impression, the 'operations' were mostly theatrics of some kind.

He was quick to mention that "It pays really good." I think he mentioned $50,000 a year or more, or several thousand dollars per "operation." I wanted to say, "So that's why you ride a hot, crowded Greyhound bus" but held my tongue. I wasn't really believing the guy's story, but, knowing what I know, I couldn't completely dismiss it, and tried to tease out more details.

I asked him in a non-chalant, 'oh that sounds interesting' manner, about the operations. He didn't offer any examples but said he and the others were sent to cities all over the US, and the operations varied in nature. One comment he made did strike me as a possibly genuine detail: "The mayors know all about it."

The pros and cons of the guy telling the truth vs. being crazy/making it up are pretty self-evident -- e.g. if the story is real, why would he openly talk about it? I think I asked him about that -- "you won't get in trouble for talking about it?" -- but he was really good at blithely dodging some questions. And those little snacks he kept offering were soooo good.

My overall impression was that the guy was crazy -- and maybe I've read too much about MK ops and so on, but it struck me as very plausible that his odd craziness was programmed -- 'made to fit' the weird work he described. He came off as mentally dumb, but at the same time as very capable in other ways.

I also guess I can't completely dismiss the notion that the guy's job that day was to sit next to me and say all that stuff to me.


The mayors all know about it.

[82_28]

You shouldn't have eaten those pepperoni sticks. You are clearly still tripping. The guy never existed.

I wish we could have talked about this when I met you last week, Elvis.

Here's what I semi-think. I know, it must seem like I'm running in hallucinogenic circles, but it is not out of the non-possibility that the "crisis actors" are actually "more real" than "we" give them credit for. They could in fact be "ultra-real". Their existence is meant to be noted for a further, but occluded purpose that is meant to appear cut and dried and simultaneously a mystery.

[Elvis]

82, it's an event I'd written off as probably just a crazy guy fantazising, until this "crisis actor" discussion brought him to mind again. Some years ago, somewhere on this forum I think I saw a 'weird bus encounters' thread (couldn't find it), and even then I thought the story wasn't quite worth typing out.

Now, in the context of possible clandestine crisis actors, the guy's story takes on a new twist -- because if I was the evil, all-powerful Shadow Black-Ops Government (SBOG), I'd want to have people like the self-described Bus Guy, and teams of people like him, on the shelf, in the toolbox, ready to deploy as must needs be.

Maybe Bus Guy and the other team members travel on Greyhound to bypass the stricter security of airports? Just a thought.

For the record, I haven't seen anything convincing or even persuasive that points to a Sandy Hook hoax. The Boston marathon blasts are murky, for sure, since the FBI was involved with the accused long before the bombings -- and since, as readers here know, the FBI instigated almost all of the terror attacks that it later "foiled," so some instigation or encouragement on the part of the FBI in the Boston marathon case seems entirely plausible. But faked 'bomb' and faked injuries?

I admit -- I confess -- to watching hours of YouTube videos proclaiming "PROOF OF HOAX!!!" in the Boston aftermath, and most all of it is completely ridiculous. There are a few strange things about the aftermath that are unresolved for me, and, for me, I don't think they're worth the time it would take; that said, here's one, dunno if this has been discussed here:

Claims that Heather Abbott, amputee Boston victim, is actually "Jamie" -- who was supposedly a model featured on amputeesinhollywood.com, a website featuring amputee models and actors for films, advertising etc. The site now looks different from the screenshot in the video below, but if it's a real screenshot, I must say that "Jamie" looks a lot like Heather, and they have the same "left leg, below the knee" amputation.

jump to 23:35...


Some people really want to be famous and what have you, and with the right incentives, the role of Heather Abbott might have been Jamie's acting opportunity of a lifetime. So my question is, is it possible to go through the 'wayback machine' or something and find that defunct, ostensible webpage?

Or has this already been debunked?

I don't want to believe.

[8bitagent]

"Crisis Actors" only apparently show up to mostly white mass tragedies according to this new trope. Never to the endless tragedy of young inner city shootings. Oh yes, and there's always the "reports of a second shooter"...oh and a "drill". But wait, the hoaxers believe the deaths aren't real!

I wonder if in a few years, conspiracy theories will further de-volve into more meta hall of mirrors fiction...I mean, maybe nothing is real and we're all in a holographic reality. In fact I'm not even typing this right now

[8bitagent]

I can't tell. There is a possibility. I've been told I've been seen places that I haven't been to in months. All the time, in fact. Nope, wasn't me, but it is interesting how this question can be leveraged for grand events such as the OP discussion.

This, like 9/11 would have been impossible decades ago. Thus, I side with, "they know this too". I think a more (granted extremely speculative) explanation is that they know this and it makes the crisis actors theory all the more confounding once they insert the crisis actor. Has it ever made any sense this new concept of having "important" shit go down during police or military drills? I'd never heard of it before -- that is, until the Internet. Remember this bullshit is "full spectrum dominance". No stone unturned and every fallen sparrow counted by our emerging TECH-GOD. To say that anyone doubts any of the crisis actor bullshit is to say "welcome to the club", you have arrived into the new reality, for lack of a better term.

Most science has been bastardized and that bastardization is being spoon fed along with our faith in TECH-GOD.

I do believe people 20 years younger than me believe in TECH-GOD.

Well it didn't take tanks in the streets and a new 9/11 for tech god to fully enslave us. Nope. People did it to themselves. I rarely see any millennials not mindlessly looking down and tapping their damn smart phones.
Kent State could happen en masse and while you'd have the hash-tag activists most people would be too braindead and coddled by their social networking and mass entertainment to care.

Btw I think people may be conflating the theory of doubles(ie: Oswald in Mexico theory) with this bullshit post 2012 "hoaxer" crisis actor stuff. It still upsets me people can look at horrendous photo of that poor soul with his
bones and flesh blown out of his legs in Boston and call that "fake".

The pain of that father who lost his son in the Santa Barbara attack is all too real

[Nordic]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1 ... 7918809476

Moscow and Kiev.

Will try to add the translation later. Can't c&p right now for some reason.

[JackRiddler]

Kent State could happen en masse and while you'd have the hash-tag activists most people would be too braindead and coddled by their social networking and mass entertainment to care.

Btw I think people may be conflating the theory of doubles(ie: Oswald in Mexico theory) with this bullshit post 2012 "hoaxer" crisis actor stuff. It still upsets me people can look at horrendous photo of that poor soul with his
bones and flesh blown out of his legs in Boston and call that "fake".

The pain of that father who lost his son in the Santa Barbara attack is all too real

You are describing the pernicious effects that arise in part because a naive sector have now been trained to pathologically see hoaxes in all violent and shocking events that happen to make the media, while a hard core among them inevitably engages in a repulsive search for "crisis actors" among the victims.

It's a kind of social immunization process. It is indeed one reason why people might no longer recognize a Kent State if it happens, why you can't talk about the real evidence in the case of a JFK or 9/11 without being shut down or associated with the likes of Alex Jones. Because as soon as the media yells "ARMED SQUIRREL," all these doofuses trained by the conspiracy merchandising sector start playing Internet detective and always, always, think they've discovered that the dead people or their relatives are all faking it. This lives in a symbiosis with the faux-skeptics and "anti-conspiracists." It raises the noise:signal ratio to an impossible level. Thanks to the promiscuity and gullibility of the conspiracy merchandising consumers, real psyops can be conducted with impunity.

With 9/11 it took a while before all the hoax nonsense started attacking the victims. I now recall being in a group e-mail exchange discussing evidence with relatives of the dead, when this asshole who called himself a "truther" suddenly started accusing one of them of being, in effect, a "crisis actor" who knew in advance that her husband would die on that day! That was the end of that line of communication, since of course how could she know whether to trust anyone else after that?

It illustrates how this idiocy functions: attack the messengers, impeach all evidence, repulse all people with standing in a case. If the victims are fake, the pictures are fake, the first responders are actors, the planes didn't even exist, etc., etc., what's left to pursue? NOTHING. Done.

This is supposed to be the smart forum, by the way! You'd think after years here people would be able to recognize and analyze these dynamics, instead of reflexively contributing to them. You'd think people would be wary and would proceed carefully, not assume that every event is also a case of THEM doing "evil" things.