Luther Blissett » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:44 pm wrote:I don't have the right to impose anything on anyone but I know from experience that impressing my beliefs on those less privileged than I reads as / is a form of imposition and one of the less severe tools of oppression. I hold no power against those who are equal to or above me in terms of power so when I share my beliefs, that's all it is.
Isnt that condescending though? "Instead of interacting with you like a normal human being Im going to go out of my way to avoid disagreeing with you to alleviate my own white guilt."
barracuda wrote:The path from RI moderator to True Blood fangirl to Jehovah's Witness seems pretty straightforward to me. Perhaps even inevitable.
Saurian Tail wrote:Nordic makes a contribution here in his own way and has exactly the same right to be here as the rest of us. He is a longstanding member of the RI "community" and doesn't deserve the treatment you have been giving him. I would certainly hate to see him run off.
I guess that's my two cents.
You said it, Brother! Thank you.
Saurian Tail wrote:RI seems like a well choreographed dance to me … round and around people go … action and reaction. It's all seems to proceed along a very orderly path. Am I the only one that sees it?
No, and the missed opportunities for needed synthesis, even a syncretism, are disheartening.
Saurian Tail wrote:Why not just make some sort of peace with the Nordic and the Jack that are already here?
Peace -- a worthy accomplishment in itself, no? The aggression is boorish and the insults are ugly. Does peace come at some great cost?
Listen to Hammer of Los! Let's make him a moderator.
(I'm serious.)
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Luther Blissett » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:44 pm wrote:I don't have the right to impose anything on anyone but I know from experience that impressing my beliefs on those less privileged than I reads as / is a form of imposition and one of the less severe tools of oppression. I hold no power against those who are equal to or above me in terms of power so when I share my beliefs, that's all it is.
Isnt that condescending though? "Instead of interacting with you like a normal human being Im going to go out of my way to avoid disagreeing with you to alleviate my own white guilt."
Luther Blissett » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:44 pm wrote:I don't have the right to impose anything on anyone but I know from experience that impressing my beliefs on those less privileged than I reads as / is a form of imposition and one of the less severe tools of oppression. I hold no power against those who are equal to or above me in terms of power so when I share my beliefs, that's all it is.
Isnt that condescending though? "Instead of interacting with you like a normal human being Im going to go out of my way to avoid disagreeing with you to alleviate my own white guilt."
It's coming from lived human experience and is one of the ways in which I have fundamentally changed the way I think - I was a fairly hardcore pacifist and thought everyone else should engage strictly in nonviolent protest, now I do not feel the same way.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
FWIW, my original comments had nothing to do with this specific subject, for which I do not have a vested interest.
My comments here, like many of them elsewhere, are related to the meta-subject that is taking place beneath the surface. And in this case, the meta-subject was "aggressively trying to shut up a person who is presenting a point of view that others find distasteful".
My statements were meant in the spirit of the quote: "Free speech is intended specifically for those points of view that are unpopular".
And just like free speech, this only applies if it does not cause harm. If a specific thread is actually harming someone in the real world then of course the discussion of that particular "theory" has been taken too far, and I would be squarely on the side of ending the discussion.
However, I fail to see how this particular thread is harming anyone in any manner.
Honestly, all of Jack's emotionally-overflowing sentiments toward that woman on the news strike me as pretense, nothing more than a debate tactic meant to shame the "opponent" into shutting their mouth, because he finds this subject unfounded and distasteful.
Perhaps it is unfounded, perhaps it is distasteful, but that's gonna happen in this world. If something is false then it will be figured out, that is the intention by most people here. There is no reason to use Fox News tactics to shut people up.
I still don't quite understand how people can get so incensed here. Are we, even in a rarefied forum such as this, so thoroughly saturated in the American mentality that we cannot bear to be among others with widely divergent opinions without abandoning civility and (GASP!) a basic sense of human camaraderie?
We are truly a profoundly screwed up culture when a call for people to calm the eff down and not be raging zealots equates to asking people to sing lullabies and give one another sensual back massages. Sometimes, I really do not relate to this culture at all.
"One measures a circle, beginning anywhere." -Charles Fort
Luther Blissett » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:24 pm wrote:I consider myself a pacifist and what you're saying is right and good, but through my involvement over the past couple years with Idle No More, social justice movements and solidarity fights, I've been shown that I don't have the right to impose my pacifism on others less privileged than I, especially where they are being genocided by people who look a lot more like me than them. Say for instance that the people in Pine Ridge, Brasilia, or Alberta want to take up armed resistance, I'd be a lot more likely to stand with them than against them. I suppose that each of these examples could be considered "immediate bodily threat," but I see it as bigger than that. The concept is possibly scalable given what is happening to Mexican children in Arizona or New Mexico or African Americans anywhere whenever one ounce of balance is tipped.
So I agree about America's institutionalized attitudes about violence needing to be adjusted and that violence from our lowest classes is viewed disdainfully by most of American culture. However, the adjustment should account for the oppressed.
Point taken, and I agree. I definitely try not to impose my POV on anyone else if I can help it. I'm actually fine with people owning guns even though I would never own one myself.
I think my initial sense of "righteous indignation" was related to the idea of aggressively trying to shut up a person who is presenting an unpopular opinion.
"One measures a circle, beginning anywhere." -Charles Fort
This past week we sure have done a bang up job of losing two quality members, because, yes, anger exists. To me all sides were understandable and I don't get the vitriol. I do, but I don't. We came here as friends and if we must leave, I say, we leave as friends. Get some perspective, motherfuckers.
Please.
If we all met in a room, everything would be cool. Keep that shit in mind.
Come back IAM and Nordic as a request from 82_28 who will see this shit out.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
Luther Blissett » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:24 pm wrote:I consider myself a pacifist and what you're saying is right and good, but through my involvement over the past couple years with Idle No More, social justice movements and solidarity fights, I've been shown that I don't have the right to impose my pacifism on others less privileged than I, especially where they are being genocided by people who look a lot more like me than them. Say for instance that the people in Pine Ridge, Brasilia, or Alberta want to take up armed resistance, I'd be a lot more likely to stand with them than against them. I suppose that each of these examples could be considered "immediate bodily threat," but I see it as bigger than that. The concept is possibly scalable given what is happening to Mexican children in Arizona or New Mexico or African Americans anywhere whenever one ounce of balance is tipped.
So I agree about America's institutionalized attitudes about violence needing to be adjusted and that violence from our lowest classes is viewed disdainfully by most of American culture. However, the adjustment should account for the oppressed.
Point taken, and I agree. I definitely try not to impose my POV on anyone else if I can help it. I'm actually fine with people owning guns even though I would never own one myself.
I think my initial sense of "righteous indignation" was related to the idea of aggressively trying to shut up a person who is presenting an unpopular opinion.
Yeah my comments weren't really pointed at the bulk of your post since I mostly agreed and abhor violence. Even within what I posted above there's probably a lot of nuance — I don't think there is much chance for nonviolent survival in a place like Pine Ridge, but it's still possibly the best tactic.
It probably has little to do with this thread, and barely any violence we discuss comes in the form of real resistance. Nor am I really qualified to identify that even though sometimes I think I am.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
Why all the heart break? I thought this was the new "crisis actor" thread? You know like about these guys. I guess I was thinking about something else. But did you guys know that all these people and/or actors are actually the same person? Just look at the jaw line.
I just realized what a kick ass batman film would be if the above people played super villains in it.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
Atlanta Craigslist Ad Seeks Crisis Actors for “Mass Casualty Exercise”
<National Report>Atlanta, GA–Residents of the Atlanta area are seeking answers this evening following the publishing of a Craigslist ad seeking crisis actors for a “simulation of a mass casualty exercise.” The ad was posted at approx 7:45pm EST and is seeking individuals to take part in a simulated “large scale disaster” June 27-29th.
The U.S. government is known to use “professional actors” to depict victims in simulations of large scale attacks. According to an ABC News, “professional actors play the roles of victims” followed by media coverage to disseminate the supposed “disaster”.
National Report spoke with Nathan Bowles, founder of the website CrisisActors.org, who had the following to say: “The government hires crisis actors for a variety of reasons. This could be nothing more than a routine exercise, or could be something more nefarious in nature. Similar ads were identified following the incident at Sandy Hook, the bombing at the Boston Marathon and the mass shooting at Fort Hood. Our governments use of these types of crisis actors is well documented and should not be taken lightly.”
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Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:37 pm
Something really struck me about the Crisisactors.org site, which was it very clearly situated what they do within a training and simulation by real-world enactment context. Framing it either as a wicked psyop OR as 'nothing to see here' misses this. I think it is perfectly plausible to have trainings where part of the process is to observe and learn about the resulting information flows across the media and across social networks. They do not have to be set up to create a psyops effect - their objective can be to gather massive amounts of data. Given that this is about observation, I think that a LIHOP operation would make a great opportunity to observe how a mix of 'real world event plus simulation' interacts. Obviously having an advertised simulation at the same time is a means of plausible deniability for the REAL actors behind it. Comments like 'how could you do this to the poor woman' mirror the howling indignation on skeptic boards at the very IDEA of investigating 9/11 truth - "how can you DO THIS to the families?"; treating it as part of an evil psyops plot to headfuck the populace might miss an explanation driven more by social network scientists feeding at the unlimited DHS hog trough. In other words more Eichmannian than Goebellsian.
I think the OP is important and (according to my social simulation theory) a diamond being closely followed by the data miners.
Food for thought... Don't let it upset your stomach:
... Large scale exercises co-ordinate many kinds of groups with an official language... known as 'partners'. Drills are now regularly conducted in schools - including active shooter drills. They are large reality drills involving police, fire, EMTs, school staff, students, and even local residents...
... Crisis Mapping:
Tweets have become the platform for what is called "crisis mapping" - Human Data Computation" Tweets are analyzed to assess how people are responding to a crisis. The stated goal is to help people help themselves because emergency personel cannot be everywhere at once...
... What if reporting the drills as live events allows the same planners to observe and manage an entire country's reaction? Government sponsored science has already tricked large groups of people to participating in experiments, either unknowingly, or for the betterment of the whole. Why not take a reality drill and report it as live - in order to observe the multitudes' response? Let the Youtubers and bloggers go wild. Let the skeptics write their websites and their blogs. But, make sure the participants know they are not to let the cat out of the bag!
IPAWS stands for Integrated Public Alert and Warning System... a Department of Homeland Security Program that includes something called Smart 911.
Smart 911 is a connection network you can sign up to that collects your pertinent information - name, address, phone numbers, and information about everyone you include - your spouse, sisters, brothers, children, uncles, aunts, neighbors, friends - your clan. If anyone gets caught in a 9/11 situation, the network dials everyone. It has everyones' cell number, everyones' work number, everyone's information. You will be notified immediately, and so will everyone you love.
The Department of Homeland Security conducts large scale drills to cast the i-pod partner network, which includes law enforcement, emergency response, hospitals, media companies, and even Twitter."As a partner in Smart911, you may get a message from ABC, or CBS when an event has occurred that involves someone you know.
Twitter, again...
Twitter is an I-Paws partner with a major role in crisis computation, mapping and management. The DHS objective for protecting us, as stated in it's documents include biometrics, or individual biological data that super-computers will collate and analyze, clandestine tagging and tracking, surveillance in the form of hyper-spectral imaging, and modelling - cultural, social and behavioral modelling.
This is where it gets so big it's hard to believe what's going on. It could be that the horrific tragedies we're seeing reported on TV were the identities of victims, shooters, bombers, the backstories, details, the emotions and the histories are all part of a giant management and observation experiment; a DHS grand scale psychological, physical test theory in which no one is actually hurt or killed, but which yields a tremendous amount of valuable information with built in controllable variabilities, meaning turn the heat up and bring it down, and watch what happens. This is the creation of an artificial reality to permit the observation of real people in a controlled environment...
They take an aspect of a drill, one of the drill events or scenarios, and report it as live. Everybody everywhere reacts; even the drill participants... Repeat. Everybody everywhere reacts, even the drill participants - who don't how the drill went wrong, or what happened, or who did what, or how it got corrupted.
Then the big screen, wide scale, real time moving phase begans. The spinning and enlarging of the false scenario conducted by the media is a DHS experiment within and upon a culture. This is the training and testing that will yield information with which to produce the optimal future society. This training and testing will contain modelling and surveillance, tracking and observing, using huge numbers of people. This is a DHS project for the benefit of the whole. The wide scale test has to happen, for without it there is no known direction.
Thus, the 2nd dimension serves as a tool to build the desired 5th dimension results. The 3rd and 4th dimensions are the playground which are observed as the testing is done. The 5th dimension contains the future, our 3D setting and 4D experiences, and most important of all - the way we act, creates the 5D future.
... @1:15 FEMA and CAP
FEMA uses Common Alerting Protocols called CAP. This is when common multiple agencies go into motion. It can be a drill situation, or a real life event.
Full use of all resources is called a 'Capstone event'. ***A Capstone event requires real documentation in alignment with respective roles***.
ICE stands for Integrated Capstone Event. This is the coordination of of multiple courses into a combined event - deemed by FEMA to be extremely important because it replicates what will happen in an actual community.
Sandy Hook was a Capstone event on a even bigger scale than mere team integration. So was Boston.
The point is not that they made things up. The point is all about how the story goes down. It replicates or creates what happens in an actual community, or an actual country, or an actual planet, the world. I believe we are seeing extended artificial situations that are observed for years.
A drill is a rehearsal to practice what to do in a future situation. In these supreme capstone drills you see all resources in action - using the 3rd and 4th dimensions to mold the future. A pyramid is created with those who know the most at the very top in what is called the capstone; and the layers of resources below them will know less and less.
Newtown and the NWO.
If you work the Sandy Hook scenario backward, starting with the presumed agenda set for our future, you realize that the children were a neccesary concept for the 'Hook' in the dialectic; as are Nancy and Adam Lanza: A disturbed young man who murders twenty children requires a response from society to control weapons and monitor peoples' mental health.
When you look at the residents of Newtown, there are quite a lot of heavyweights in the fields of education, child develpopment, media, emergency technologies, law, finance, marketing, politics, medicine, acting and performing arts, psychology, psychiatry and community building; specialties and skills that are being used in the resolution and resurection of Newtown after it's tragedy. We are told people moved there for the quiet neighborhoods and the wonderful schools, but perhaps their very backgrounds were the reason for their relocation to a stage that has been set for them to act on. Older experienced professionals fit the going into action criteria better than the young inexperenced parents of six year olds. These are people know how to do things, who have powerful connections, and have mobilized. The school shooting tragedy was their green light.
We know that crisis actors do exist! How many times has an actor played a part on the TV news? Programming people to predictably proceed, and pulling out the stops for a "capstone event".
Okay, believe it or not, I'm bowing out here now because my point is made and things will get very ugly from here if I stick around.
What is your point?
This is just my opinion, of course - fully realizing that 'some people' have somewhat of a fan base here - apparently, and that my contributions here are generally ignored...
When I posted the Carlos reveal in another thread, nobody said nuthin; but we have pages and pages of long winded anecdotes doting the phantasmagorical tantrums of a long winded lout who is literally a literate idiot! WTH??
The posters here have taught me a so much: After pickin' corn for almost ten years, as 'some people' post over ten thousand times - dominating many a discussion with millions of words, flashing the fast and furious fallacies for which they're famous, I figure the chafe is to obscure those, ever elusive , kernals of truth. So, when I find myself gazing at 'some peoples' verbosity - like a TV in the waiting room, or the remnants of a wreck on the road of life - I've learned to hop the kerplop of 'some peoples' slop...
I gravitated to this forum for the informed discussion of topics of interest to me. After a few years, I decided to pitch in, not trying to cause any trouble, nor immerse the innocents in a dark milieu; but fact is, we share a certain wavelength - which probably stems from a common source - a commonality in our consciousness - hmmm... Can you guess?
So, Why am I here? Tough Love? To define my World more clearly to myself? Therapy?? Phuck.. RI used to remind me of school, where i met a few friends - and then have to move on... But here, you've taught me more than any of my schools - and I haven't met a friend - though you maybe know me better than most... How ironic...
Are these videos - and this discussion we're having right now- a part of the plot as well?
RI is still the the only place I have ever posted. Believe it or not, I take my time to think it out, but by that time something usually happens to change my mind - so I don't; but now and then, I get in a mood to wing it - as though I was really a member of the group, as though I might genuinely share ideas about Our World...
Atlanta Craigslist Ad Seeks Crisis Actors for “Mass Casualty Exercise”
<National Report>Atlanta, GA–Residents of the Atlanta area are seeking answers this evening following the publishing of a Craigslist ad seeking crisis actors for a “simulation of a mass casualty exercise.” The ad was posted at approx 7:45pm EST and is seeking individuals to take part in a simulated “large scale disaster” June 27-29th.
Okay, believe it or not, I'm bowing out here now because my point is made and things will get very ugly from here if I stick around.
What is your point?
Many here agree with the constructive overstatement that World War III started long ago, and it is an information war. You are aiding and abetting the enemy, objectively serving the interests of the very same spook "elites" you purport to expose, by fabulating non-evidence and wrapping it in some general irrelevant facts to create confusionist narratives that could not be more misleading. These stories also could not be more repulsive and alienating to non-reptilian human beings endowed with minimal empathic capacity, than if this was the plan. Certainly there is more evidence for that, than for your claims, so let's entertain the hypothesis that posts such as yours are part of a plan: to discourage discussion about the actual open case of the Boston bombing. One of the brothers had been adopted by academics in the neocon milieu, while the others' criminal associate was shot dead in cold blood while in custody by an FBI officer during an interrogation. You know, the same FBI that has initiated and constructed two dozen entrapment cases recruiting naive young Muslim men in the United States as patsies, and pretending this is a wave of "terrorism". In the wake of an actual bomb killing people in Boston, that sort of stuff can't be good for too many people to know. A distraction is needed. So is there some random antiwar father of a veteran who is acting to help people in the smoke and blood after the explosion, preferably someone most people will automatically like? Can we suggest that this person was actually involved as an accomplice in the very same act of mass murder that unforlded around him, and could have also killed him? That should serve to make for weeks worth of disgusting posts at Alex Jonestown, and of course mobilize legions of "anti-conspiracist" skeptics in response. It will make talk of an FBI involvement in the incident and of the murder of the witness radioactive for anyone to touch, as they will be associated with the likes of you and the sewage you smear.
Your spiritual brethren in the arts of black propaganda should have thought of this back at Kent State, and said the dead students were actually actors working with the National Guard. Back then, the haters and Amerikanists were more literal minded, and instead said the students deserved to be shot. Rumors were invented and spread that the coroners didn't want to touch the lice-ridden corpses of the dead hippies with their powerful body odor. What kind of people would approvingly adopt and spread such statements? You differ from these predecessors in that they were incomparably more honest and direct.
Is my point clear enough now? Now, "champ," do not mention me again in this travesty thread, which I said I would no longer engage in prior to your personal attack, and do not employ insulting variations on my screenname. Or I will see to it that only one of our two screen personas survives as an open RI account in this Internet knife-fight. Me or you to the virtual death, mother fucker. This is an information war. I am not here to propagate kumbaya and fake friendliness with apologists for crime, morons, assholes, disinfo artists, disinfo repeaters, and junior COINTELPRO agents, or to be included in your sick, inhuman defamations of random victims and witnesses. Dig?
We meet at the borders of our being, we dream something of each others reality. - Harvey of R.I.
To Justice my maker from on high did incline: I am by virtue of its might divine, The highest Wisdom and the first Love.
The bogus cl ad posted by Chump reminded me of a certain toxic airborne event
“The family is the cradle of the world’s misinformation. There must be something in family life that generates factual error. Over-closeness, the noise and heat of being. Perhaps even something deeper like the need to survive. Murray says we are fragile creatures surrounded by a world of hostile facts. Facts threaten our happiness and security. The deeper we delve into things, the looser our structure may seem to become. The family process works towards sealing off the world. Small errors grow heads, fictions proliferate. I tell Murray that ignorance and confusion can’t possibly be the driving forces behind family solidarity. What an idea, what a subversion. He asks me why the strongest family units exist in the least developed societies. Not to know is a weapon of survival, he says. Magic and superstition become entrenched as the powerful orthodoxy of the clan. The family is strongest where objective reality is most likely to be misinterpreted. What a heartless theory, I say. But Murray insists it’s true.” Don DeLillo
RI has become so much White Noise to me these days.
“The family is the cradle of the world’s misinformation. There must be something in family life that generates factual error. Over-closeness, the noise and heat of being. Perhaps even something deeper like the need to survive. Murray says we are fragile creatures surrounded by a world of hostile facts. Facts threaten our happiness and security. The deeper we delve into things, the looser our structure may seem to become. The family process works towards sealing off the world. Small errors grow heads, fictions proliferate. I tell Murray that ignorance and confusion can’t possibly be the driving forces behind family solidarity. What an idea, what a subversion. He asks me why the strongest family units exist in the least developed societies. Not to know is a weapon of survival, he says. Magic and superstition become entrenched as the powerful orthodoxy of the clan. The family is strongest where objective reality is most likely to be misinterpreted. What a heartless theory, I say. But Murray insists it’s true.” Don DeLillo
RI has become so much White Noise to me these days.
Sweet for sharing. White Noise is my favorite book ever. Well, I have a few. Anyhow, if you recognize this, why not start a discussion or two? I have, for one quite a few friends here who I would deem family when push came to shove. Don't do your part in sealing off the world. Open it.
I try to make all of my OPs and comments have something interesting. But whatever, if you're not in.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
Listen to Hammer of Los! Let's make him a moderator.
