Successful Boston Marathon Psyop Captures RI

[JackRiddler]

I consider this form of disinfo to be both witting and deadly to any common mission researchers and writers may have in coming to this place.

I've been wanting to start this thread for a while. Note the OP here does not address chump per se, but the "crisis actor" theory.

[8bitagent]

I think people's imagination makes possible "black ops" more elaborate than they need to be. While my mind was changed on the RFK assassination being more than a brainwashed Sirhan Sirhan with additional participants on scene; in the modern day I personally am not convinced by all the evidence people present toward all these events.

I still have not seen convincing evidence that all these mass shootings are "black ops" (or 'false flags') per se, let alone teaming with crisis actors. The modern day "hoax" theories are the absolute worst.
If the powers that be were behind horrific events, why the HELL would they fake injuries and death? The powers that be had NO problem massacring Italians with strategy of tension false flag terror bombings
in the 1970s and 1980s. If anything they love death and the ritual of mass deaths(hence my theory the point of Iraq, like the Nazi holocaust, was to create endless chaos and death)

Heck at this point I am not convinced that Boston Bombing or the Norway terror attack were black ops.

[Hunter]

The problem is the whole hoax false flag, crisis actor, staged meme is still going strong and it continues to take over all discussion about what are otherwise very important matters, so yea, Jack is right to be continuously vigilant against it, this is a war for our minds and our ability to have discussions about things that need to be discussed without being lumped in to that pile of shit over at Jonestown et al.

[alan ford]

stefano wrote :

While we're on McLuhan and speculating, though - what is the sociological/technological dynamic that makes this a thing?

Possibly distrust in ( mainstream ) media, which ( of course ) is justified, makes some people reacting " well I'll not believe anything I hear there ", and than opposite is possible too " I'll believe in any theory that comes my way" - - the critical thinking and ( let's not forget ) rigorous intuition would be ideal companions to help with this.
Unfortunately from personal conversation with people I know, I have to confirm that there is a lot of them showing some degree of accepting this kind of theories, just by the knee-jerk reaction described above.

[Hunter]

Here is the thing, I think most of us realize there are conspiracies, cover-ups, black ops etc taking place all around us, nobody here is taking the Randi position that all CTers are nuts. The problem is the internet has made people more aware of these things, most everyone can clearly see something is wrong with the official stories wrt most of these events from 9-11 to James Holmes, Boston Marathon and maybe even Sandy Hook et al. That is not what is at issue here, I think we all agree something is rotten in Denmark, we are all CTers here for the most part, that is why we are here. The issue is that because the internet is waking people up, they have to create noise and distraction from it by introducing the outrageous. Things like no planes, false flag, hoax, staged, crisis actors, this is all noise and distraction designed to keep us all from talking about what is really going on and to neutralize those who see through all of that by creating an environment using the outrageous to make anyone who questions official stories look like a fringe lunatic and lumping us all in with those who push said outrageous shit. This is the conspiracy within the conspiracy, So there is no need to assume just because we dont buy in to crap like crisis actors that we are asleep, or "just dont get it." We do indeed get it and we know exactly what is going on here, things like persona management is real, 100% real, and it is being used to flood the internet with outrageous conspiracy memes to discredit real, sincere and genuine conspiracy researchers. So nobody here is arguing that these official stories are true and that there are no conspiracies, to the contrary we know the official stories are lies or at the least very misleading and the fact that we know this is what is making them work so hard to discredit us by introducing all this other bullshit and making us all look like a bunch of wild eyed tin foil hatters. Dont fall for it, keep pushing the truth, most certainly Agencies XYZ are involved in most if not all these terror attacks both domestic and foreign and they are further all involved in pushing the very disinformation that is driving a wedge through our communities and preventing honest research and discussion.


Also want to add that if indeed it is true Agencies XYZ are involved in a lot of these events, and I believe very strongly that they are and the evidence seems to suggest that they are, their purpose is not to take away our guns or put us in FEMA camps, the main purpose is to keep us all scared and living in fear because we can be molded and manipulated much easier when we live in a constant state of fear, we are more open to their propaganda when we are scared and frightened and it is easier for them to justify things like what is going on at the NSA and also it makes it easier for them to pass more draconian laws that can be used to curtail our freedom and concentrate and strengthen their power and authority over us. In fact they dont want to disarm the population, they would prefer to put more guns on the streets and encourage the breakdown of civil order and social fabric because this increases our dependency on them, in short, they understand the concept of Ordo Ab Chao and they employ it against us every chance they get.


I mentioned on FB the other day, a simple phrase "I wonder if there is any connection between Agencies XYZ and these Patriot Groups..."

Almost IMMEDIATELY friends, associates, colleagues, jumped in with snide remarks like:

1 You have been reading too much Alex Jones
2 I bet you think Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombings were fake too huh
3 Please dont tell me youre one of the 9-11 truth kooks who think the planes were holographs

No joke, these are exactly the responses I received from people I consider to be somewhat intelligent and informed, this is what they immediately think of anyone who brings up such an issue and that is really sad, pathetic and fucked up because my original question was a good one, a real one, something that increasingly looks like it is true, but that didnt register with them because just questioning something like that triggers Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers in their minds and they immediately mock, insult and shy away from real discussion. It is indeed Mission Accomplished, they have very effectively shut own all legit and honest discussion of what is really happening in the world by pushing completely outrageous theories that make us all look cray cray.


Last, keep in mind what Jack and I have suggested, why would they go through all the trouble and take all the risk of staging a fake bombing and using crisis actors during an event as big as the Boston Marathon? It is completely illogical to assume they could get away with that and it is very, very risky but the real question is, WHY WOULD THEY EVEN WANT TO STAGE IT? Why take all that risk instead of just doing the real thing, are you trying to argue that these people have some sort of aversion to killing real people? No, they do not have an aversion to killing and there is no reason for them to fake it. Real people died and were horribly injured and it is no skin off their ass either way. They dont care about killing people, they killed thousands on 9-11 whats a few more in Boston? There is no need whatsoever for them to stage it with crisis actors and if you believe that is the case you are falling for the worst sort of sloppy propaganda there is. This is the sort of crap Geobbels would be proud of and you are falling for it hook, line and sinker and in doing so you are really doing great harm to those who want to find the truth and expose these criminals for what they are, you are working in concert with them and unwittingly helping them cover up and whitewash the murder of real, innocent human beings, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters, real people, murdered and dead.

[jlaw172364]

My two cents on this whole concocted debate concerning allegations of crisis actors:

It's largely a waste of time to debate the details of what happened exactly. None of us were there, and even if we were, we wouldn't have had a God's eye perspective.

Could there have been crisis actors there? Sure. Does this mean the event didn't happen? Nope. It may mean that the authorities are so fearful of broadcasting a genuine or unscripted public response to such events, that they have crisis actors on standby to be interviewed by the corporate press so that only appropriate public reactions can be broadcast and consumed by the general public.

Otherwise, you get stuff like a personal anecdote from my life:

I went to a disaster area in an American ghetto to do some volunteer work. There was a shooting in the neighborhood; a drug dealer was killed on a corner. A stray bullet put a hole through one of the tents where I was staying. Someone in my group could have been killed, but nobody was hurt. A news crew came and started doing interviews. At a certain point, they started asking leading questions trying to get me to say something bad about the neighborhood or the people who lived in it, but I picked up on it, and told an anecdote about how someone had shot up the school in the affluent suburb I had grown up in, and how you can't live your life in fear because random acts of violence are ultimately uncontrollable. The interviewer was taken aback. A heavily edited version of my interview was broadcast.

Now, imagine there's a terrorist attack; maybe the government had a hand in it, maybe not. And then TV crews interview people who say stuff like, "Well, that's what you get when you bomb other countries, tax people to death, and pay most people slave wages." That's what they don't want to get broadcast. The government has a very low approval rating. They're probably so paranoid at this point, especially given their eavesdropping on the web, that they know what people REALLY think of them, that they don't want to take the chance of it leaking onto national television where it could then be made part of the national debate.

Therefore, the crisis actors thing is a strong possibility, but it doesn't mean that these attacks don't happen, although it is possible, though less so, that one could stage a completely phony, fake attack; that would be much harder to pull off though. In my opinion, most of these things are heavily scripted and stage-managed all the way through, but the violence is probably real, although eventually . . . the state of the art in black ops could reach a point where they could make everything fake Phil Dick style.

[Hunter]

I can buy that Jlaw, I could see where they may have crisis witness actors to help push along a needed script. But I dont think actual victims who had arms and legs blown off with veins and arteries hanging out of said blown off limbs are actors and that is what a lot of those who push the crisis actor meme seem to believe.

[fruhmenschen]

By now we are on our way to becoming smart criminal justice
consumers.
We now know US Empire taxpayers funded the salaries of FBI informant
Ahmed Salem who created the 1993 1st World Trade Center bombing;
FBI informant Timothy McVeigh who created a misdirection for us with the truck bomb while satchel charges collapsed the Murragh building in Oklahoma City bombing; FBI informant David Headley who created the Mumbai attack;
FBI informant David Rupert who helped create the Omargh bombing with the help of Boston FBI informant Whitwy Bulger.

The question is what to do with this evidence?


Today's FBI vernacular is. "misdirection" like in how the 911 FBI terrorists tricked us into believing the planes crashing into the twin towers brought down the skyscrapers while we ignored the explosive charges going off
collapsing the towers in a controlled demolition.


Anyone spot FBI misdirection in the Boston Marathon bombing trial?



see link for full story



http://www.wbur.org/2014/06/18/marathon-bombing-hearing









No ‘Betrayal Of U.S.’ Argument For Marathon Bombing Suspect
By Philip Marcelo June 18, 2014 Updated Jun 18, 2:05 pm

BOSTON — A federal judge ruled Wednesday that “betrayal of the United States” should not be a factor in considering whether Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev gets the death penalty if convicted.

U.S. District Court Judge George O’Toole said it was “highly inappropriate” for prosecutors to draw a distinction between a “naturalized” and “natural-born” U.S. citizen.

Federal prosecutors have argued, in part, that Tsarnaev, a 20-year-old Russian-born immigrant, deserves the death penalty because he betrayed his allegiance to the U.S., which gave his family asylum and citizenship more than a decade ago.

Tsarnaev’s attorneys have said that argument is unprecedented in death penalty cases.

“(I)n not one of the 492 cases before Mr. Tsarnaev’s has the government cited the fact of a defendant’s American citizenship, the way he became a citizen, any aspect of his immigration history, or his enjoyment of the freedoms of an American citizen as a reason to sentence him to death,” they wrote in a May filing.

O’Toole agreed with defense attorneys who said prosecutors would have many other factors to cite in their bid to seek the death penalty if Tsarnaev is convicted.

O’Toole also denied a request by Tsarnaev’s lawyers to allow them to meet with their client and his sisters in prison without federal agents present. Instead, he accepted a compromise offered by prosecutors: assigning an agent or other federal official not related to the case, strictly for security.

And the judge issued a stern warning to prosecutors about former or current members of its team speaking to the media. The warning comes after the defense objected to what it called leaks from retired FBI agent during interviews they gave around the April anniversary of the bombings.

However, O’Toole declined to impose sanctions on prosecutors if such disclosures happen again, as Tsarnaev’s lawyers sought. Prosecutors have said the interviews contained information that was already public.

One key question not addressed at the hearing was the Wednesday deadline for the defense to formally request to move the trial out of Boston.

Tsarnaev’s lawyers have stated they will pursue a venue change, citing the intense media coverage of the case.

The defense had wanted until Aug. 3. to craft its legal argument. But O’Toole denied that request last week after already pushing the deadline back once before, from Feb. 28 to June 18.

[8bitagent]

I can't help but feel Boston falls more under the Batman Massacre, Giffords, Sandy Hook, VT Tech, Vegas shootings more than 9/11...just in the younger Tsarnaev's age and being kind of a loner.
I still don't know what to make of the case, especially that Florida linked shooting. Still hilarious they locked down wide areas under military martial law just to get this kid, going door to door with paramilitary police.
It's like they wanted to feed into the Alex Jones fantasy imagery that came to bear real fruit that week.

[Hunter]

I can't help but feel Boston falls more under the Batman Massacre, Giffords, Sandy Hook, VT Tech, Vegas shootings more than 9/11...just in the younger Tsarnaev's age and being kind of a loner.
I still don't know what to make of the case, especially that Florida linked shooting. Still hilarious they locked down wide areas under military martial law just to get this kid, going door to door with paramilitary police.
It's like they wanted to feed into the Alex Jones fantasy imagery that came to bear real fruit that week.

Well it is an indisputable fact that the Agencies XYZ had prior contact with older brother and used him as an informant and likely covered his trip back to his homeland for terror training (he traveled under an alias and fake passport, not easy to do unless you are connected to the underworld or Agencies XYZ or both) and also that a leader in the neo con war on terror movement took the younger brother under his wing. In cases like that it could very well be the result of being recruited and hired to carry out a drill and being given bombs that they were told were fake and they didnt know any better until the fucking things actually went off at which time they were running scared not knowing what the fuck was going on or happening. The fact that the one who knows the most, the older brother, was shot and killed/silenced and the younger brother was shot in the vocal cords and cant talk, literally, is interesting and supports the above position. Also after it all went down it seems they were headed to a rendevous point to meet a handler that was going to get them out of dodge and they got stood up.

I believe this is very similar to what happened on 9-11, my theory which I havent heard anyone else suggest, is that the hijackers were all recruited and hired to carry out a hijacking DRILL THAT DAY, they got on those planes thinking they were simply taking part in a drill and had no desire to die or kill anyone, once the planes were in the air and they started their drill of hijacking the planes they realized along with everyone else that this drill suddenly went live, likely controlled remotely from building 7 and other places along the flight paths.

Being from where Loughner went postal I am pretty sure that was indeed a case of untreated mental illness and likely not connected to anything aside from maybe him reading some crazy websites that may have influenced him. AND MOST CERTAINLY James Holmes was a victim of some sort of mind control bullshit experimentation conducted by his neuroscience colleagues for whatever reason, whether or not they were "part and parcel" (thanks drew!) of the shooting itself the shooting is most certainly a result of the trauma the young man suffered from such. Las Vegas, the jury is still out on that one but it doesnt seem they were connected to any of the Agencies XYZ and were likely just influenced by Jonestown Kool Aid, which in itself is a connection to Agencies XYZ on some level. As for Sandy Hook, I dont know, seems like a lone nut possibly mentally ill, much like Loughner as does VTech, so while I dont think all of them are the result of these perps being "Hal Turnered" at least a couple of them sure seem to be.

[justdrew]

the phrase is "part and parcel" just an FYI.

but yeah, for Boston, it's looked to me like they thought they were the "red team" but the damn bombs turned out to be real. Who substituted in real bombs, that's still open though. Could even have been some person in their life, rather than 'authorities' - could have been the guy the FBI shot, they could have known he did it, maybe he even admitted it, but knowing full well they could never prove it in court, and it making them look like dumbasses, one 'rogue' agent finished it in an act of justified fury. Who knows. Speculation can go all over the place.

[Hunter]

the phrase is "part and parcel" just an FYI.

but yeah, for Boston, it's looked to me like they thought they were the "red team" but the damn bombs turned out to be real. Who substituted in real bombs, that's still open though. Could even have been some person in their life, rather than 'authorities' - could have been the guy the FBI shot, they could have known he did it, maybe he even admitted it, but knowing full well they could never prove it in court, and it making them look like dumbasses, one 'rogue' agent finished it in an act of justified fury. Who knows. Speculation can go all over the place.

LOL Indeed it is, I dont know if I spelled that wrong or it was this tablet's auto correct, no excuse either way, had I proof read before hitting enter I would have caught that. Thanks for the heads up.

I think you are right, could be anyone but it does most certainly seem to me with their casual behavior in strolling up and placing those backpacks that they may have thought it was an official drill, prank, hoax whatever. They could have been working with authorities after getting busted for something and trained to take part in the drill and then when it went live they were truly running scared having figured out what just happened to them. But it could have been anyone, sure though I tend to think authorities it is probably better to not limit myself in that regard. The guy they shot in Florida is certainly a very interesting twist and there has to be more there than meets the eye.

[Twyla LaSarc]

No joke, these are exactly the responses I received from people I consider to be somewhat intelligent and informed, this is what they immediately think of anyone who brings up such an issue and that is really sad, pathetic and fucked up because my original question was a good one, a real one, something that increasingly looks like it is true, but that didnt register with them because just questioning something like that triggers Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers in their minds and they immediately mock, insult and shy away from real discussion. It is indeed Mission Accomplished, they have very effectively shut own all legit and honest discussion of what is really happening in the world by pushing completely outrageous theories that make us all look cray cray.

A similar thing happened to me. I had posted links from here about the Irish 'Orphanage' where the children' bones were found in a mass grave. One of those articles, from Salon, mentioned the testing of vaccines on unwitting and uninformed residents of those homes. The resident board stand-in for Penn Gillette got his panties in a bunch and derailed the thread for several pages bitching about anti-vaxxers and how they were going to take something like this and discredit scientific research...and worse, an exhibited an acceptance of such action as medically and scientifically moral and valid in a very patronizing utilitarian manner- essentially dismissing sacrificing the few so the many could live, but dammit you can't prove they died from the vaccine as opposed to hunger or exposure!...I'm not sure even he knew what dotted line he was signing on, it was just the natural extension of the logic.

...And as a result, a subject of great importance and sadness gets buried in a 'conspiracy theory dump' thread even though those 800 bodies were found and the catholic church had a hand in it by labeling these people as subhuman in the first place.

Skepticism is the new Absolute Belief System. At this point it's beginning to scare me a little. The adherents think they are rational enlightened beings. And it too, plays right into the hands of those who control.

[Hunter]

No joke, these are exactly the responses I received from people I consider to be somewhat intelligent and informed, this is what they immediately think of anyone who brings up such an issue and that is really sad, pathetic and fucked up because my original question was a good one, a real one, something that increasingly looks like it is true, but that didnt register with them because just questioning something like that triggers Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers in their minds and they immediately mock, insult and shy away from real discussion. It is indeed Mission Accomplished, they have very effectively shut own all legit and honest discussion of what is really happening in the world by pushing completely outrageous theories that make us all look cray cray.

A similar thing happened to me. I had posted links from here about the Irish 'Orphanage' where the children' bones were found in a mass grave. One of those articles, from Salon, mentioned the testing of vaccines on unwitting and uninformed residents of those homes. The resident board stand-in for Penn Gillette got his panties in a bunch and derailed the thread for several pages bitching about anti-vaxxers and how they were going to take something like this and discredit scientific research...and worse, an exhibited an acceptance of such action as medically and scientifically moral and valid in a very patronizing utilitarian manner- essentially dismissing sacrificing the few so the many could live, but dammit you can't prove they died from the vaccine as opposed to hunger or exposure!...I'm not sure even he knew what dotted line he was signing on, it was just the natural extension of the logic.

...And as a result, a subject of great importance and sadness gets buried in a 'conspiracy theory dump' thread even though those 800 bodies were found and the catholic church had a hand in it by labeling these people as subhuman in the first place.

Skepticism is the new Absolute Belief System. At this point it's beginning to scare me a little. The adherents think they are rational enlightened beings. And it too, plays right into the hands of those who control.

Yes, great example, exactly the sort of thing I have and am experiencing and to the point that I am almost ready to give up talking about these things altogether, I am just tired of being lumped in with people like Alex Jones simply because I have some questions about whatever official story is the news of the day. Legit questions mind you, I am not pushing crazy theories or asking outrageous questions, just pretty basic shit like "what is that big pink elephant in the room over there all about." You know, basic stuff that we all see and which doesnt add up in official accounts of certain events.

[seemslikeadream]

yes please help me I've been captured by a post at RI reposted over and over and over again ....and being tortured mercilessly but it's not the one referenced in the OP


we all have our crosses to bear..... sad but true..... I am forbidden to post an OP about it...you're one lucky guy Jack