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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby semper occultus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:32 am

Air Algerie AH5017, Air France 447, Malaysian MH370 and MH17: Vanishing Aircraft, “Numerology”, and the Global Elite

By Jason Kissner
Global Research, August 01, 2014

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We have been told by much of Western MSM that Air Algerie flight 5017 (hereinafter AH 5017) and its 117 passengers (according to the airline) lost contact with the ground and subsequently crashed in Mali on 7/24due to heavy weather.

A simple, tidy story that; and for all one knows the MSM soporific might even be true.

And yet, true to the times, meaningful questions remain.

Via CNN on 7/24 we have:

“1:17 a.m. local time, Air Algerie Flight 5017 left Ouagadougou in Burkina Faso bound for Algiers. It was supposed to be a four-hour overnight flight but about 50 minutes of takeoff, it disappeared from radar over Mali close to a zone of ongoing conflict between Islamist rebels and the government.”

The Guardian chimed in on 7/29 with:

Radar recordings show the plane’s last contact at 1.47am local time. A witness reported seeing a ball of flame in the crash area at about 1.50am, suggesting the tragedy happened in minutes.

One witness said it was “as if a bomb had fallen” on the desert, and that the plane had hit the ground at a steep angle and at full speed, ruling out any attempt at an emergency landing.

Police investigators and gendarmes at the scene say the plane was “pulverised” and they have found no bodies. Even finding traces of the victims – who included one Briton and 54 French people, including entire families – is proving a challenge, with stifling heat alternating with torrential rain in a remote area.

The Guardian’s reportage that the plane was pulverized echoed Le Monde’s7/26 assertion that the wreckage was indicative of disintegration.

Matters are so compromised with respect to the status of bodily evidence that France now thinks it could take from three to five months for forensic processes to produce the first identifications.

And then we have the facts that it took hours for airline and government officials to make AH 5017’s disappearance public, there were 51 French passengers, and France, declaring victory, had very recently terminated Operation Serval (a counterterrorism adventure in Mali).

Finally, we have the pending performance on a France/Russia deal whereby Russia is to receive delivery of two Mistral warships. Maybe certain elitist elements would rather see France breach the contract?

Might the demise of AH 5017 be attributable to an act of terror, and might there be additional links to the vanishing aircraft of MH 17, MH 370, and veryconceivably even Air France 447? Newsweek on AH 5017:

“General Gilbert Diendere, head of Burkina Faso’s crisis cell, said radar data showed that the plane appeared to try to fly around the bad weather before reverting to its initial course, which took it back into the eye of the storm.

“Perhaps the pilot thought that he had completely avoided it and wanted to return to the original route,” Diendere said, according to the website of French radio RFI. “The accident took place while the plane performed this maneuver.”

Diendere said the last contact with the plane at its altitude of 10,000 meters was at 0147 GMT and the crash was reported by witnesses to have taken place at 0150.

“That means that (plane) fell from an altitude of 10,000 meters to zero in about three minutes, which is a steep fall given the size of the plane,” he added.”

10,000 meters is just about 33,000 feet, so, if the preceding sentence is true, AH 5017 lost altitude at an average of 11,000 feet per minute before being ostensibly destroyed.

The same thing happened to Air France 447.

A quick refresher on that flight from the Huffington Post:

“On the evening of May 31, 2009 [it was in the early hours of 6/1/2009 that the flight went missing], 216 passengers and 12 crew members boarded an Air France Airbus 330 at Antonio Carlos Jobim International Airport in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The flight, Air France 447, departed at 7.29 p.m. local time for a scheduled 11-hour trip to Paris. It never arrived. At 7 o’clock the next morning, when the aircraft failed to appear on the radar screens of air traffic controllers in Europe, Air France began to worry and contacted civil aviation authorities. By 11 a.m., they concluded that AF447 had gone missing somewhere over the vast emptiness of the South Atlantic.

How, in the age of satellite navigation and instantaneous global communication, could a state-of-the art airliner simply vanish? It was a mystery that lasted for two years.”

Air France 447, like MH 370, MH 17, and AH 5017 also “vanished without a word from the crew.” Perhaps, then, the official report regarding Air France 447, which explained the affair in terms of heavy weather, a high altitude stall, and pilot error also happens to more or less describe what occurred with AH 5017?

Then again, it was reported regarding Air France 447 that:

“Two pilots of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Lisbon saw a bright flash of light in the area where Flight 447 went down, the Madrid-based airline told CNN. The pilots have turned in their report to authorities.

“Suddenly, we saw in the distance a strong and intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds,” the captain wrote in the report.

The flash of light contributes to the theory that an explosion is what brought down Flight 447, which was carrying 228 people from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.”

To be sure, these reports have gone down the memory hole.

Intrepid readers will have little difficulty locating other disturbing claims about Flight 447, but to be honest it’s difficult to decisively separate mere rumors from plausible alternative accounts.

Be that as it may, what follows may amount to nothing more than a mirage of coincidences (some of them possibly forced)—but it might also suggest something quite significant.

“Numerology”

An earlier contribution to Global Research on the subject of MH 17 stated:

Next, here are a few other curious tidbits. The flight 17 crash shares an anniversary with the demise of TWA 800, which AT’s own Jack Cashill has compellingly argued was, in fact, brought down by a missile on July 17, 1996 and subsequently covered up by the US government. And, the maiden flight of flight 17 occurred in 1997 on the date of, you guessed it, July 17.

[Moreover Russia's last ruling monarch of the Romanov family Tsar Nicholas II, together with his wife Tsarina Alexandra and their five children Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei were executed on 17 July 1918. Subliminal message to Putin? No doubt it's another "coincidence"]

So “17s” are everywhere. To be sure, though, each of the items in the last paragraph is easily ranged under the heading “coincidence.”

With respect to AH 5017, we obviously encounter “17” again in the number of the flight. And, we have the fact that the flight left at 1:17 AM. Plus, some early reports indicated 117 passengers.

In a related vein, as previous quotes show, “7s” and “11s” seem to reverberate around facts pertaining to Air France 447 and AH 5017. And, MH 370 was lost on 3/7/2014 at 17:20 UTC.

Of course, many other numerical facts connected with the three flights have nothing to do with 7s, 11s, or 17s.

It is unquestionably easy to get carried away with this sort of thing; one very serious problem is that in the absence of a consistently applied, rationally based rule for combining digits and assigning times, it is easy to mold phenomena so as to reach conspiratorial conclusions when nothing obtains other than coincidence (and perhaps not even that).

In short, we do not want to consume witches’ brews or magicians’ potions; instead, we should ask whether there might be scientifically sensible reasons as to why intelligence enterprises and their associates might want to play numerological games.

Rare events and events that are meaningfully singular in their description (such as the vanishing of MH 370) are next to impossible to predict statistically, especially if one is attempting to predict the precise time, date, and place of occurrence (almost by definition there’s not enough data to support valid statistical analyses). It is just such “black swan” events, though, that often exert the greatest, and most reverberating, impacts on global dynamics. Because such events are difficult to predict even with a great deal of information in hand, they are difficult to prevent—even with a tremendous amount of information.

With these thoughts in mind, consider that when singular, rare events such as plane vanishings that receive intensive coverage take place, the threshold geopolitical question is really whether the occurrence was accidental or in some way planned. It is here that “numerological” factors may come into play. It may be that the numerological properties of events can function as ways of indicating human agency, even though such agency will, of necessity, be invisible to algorithms and associated databases. If human consciousness, on the basis of ironically non-quantifiable meaning, considers an event to be too significant to perfunctorily ascribe to an accident, it will react accordingly even if the “data” and surface authorities (such as certain visible bureaucrats and news anchors with far more proximate connections to the public) say otherwise.

If these ruminations are accurate, it may be that the degree of brazenness of “numerological” ties functions as a measure of the danger we confront. Surface authority, in spite of its nearly universal mathematical illiteracy, has been successfully conditioned to believe that the only measures of scientific significance are those that can be quantified. Therefore, it is blind to many potential indications of agency that could indicate covert conflict.

However, had a flight numbered 7077 crashed on 7/7/2014 after having disappeared from radar at 7:07 PM, even surface authorities might have been forced to acknowledge design—even if they were told in so many terms by deep authority that “Big Data” could not back it up. Since even the dimwits of surface authority would be talking design, the risk of overt hot war would rise substantially. It is for reasons such as these that the rather glaring 17s surrounding MH 17 are unsettling.

The Global Elite

Now consider these utterly bizarre remarks made by none other than IMF chief Christine Lagarde at a 1/15/2014 National Press Club speech:

“Now, I’m going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven, okay? Most of you will know that seven is quite a number in all sorts of themes, religions. And I’m sure that you can compress numbers as well. So if we think about 2014, all right, I’m just giving you 2014, you drop the zero, 14, two times 7. Okay,that’s just by way of example, and we’re going to carry on. (Laughter) So 2014 will be a milestone and hopefully a magic year in many respects. It will mark the hundredth anniversary of the First World War back in 1914. It will note the 70thanniversary, drop the zero, seven– of the Breton Woods conference that actually gave birth to the IMF. And it will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, 25th, okay. It will also mark the seventh anniversary of the financial market jitters that quickly turned into the greatest global economic calamity since the Great Depression. The crisis still lingers. Yet, optimism is in the air. We’ve left the deep freeze behind us and the horizon looks just a bit brighter. So my hope and my wish for 2014 is that after those seven miserable years, weak and fragile, we have seven strong years. I don’t know whether the G7 will have anything to do with it, or whether it will be the G20. I certainly hope that the IMF will have something to do with it.”

Can anyone recall the last time a global elitist of the stature of Lagarde made such bombastic reference to numerological notions during a speech, whether “jokingly” or not? That someone like her would even speak in such terms is decidedly odd—conceivably even unprecedented—irrespective of the particulars.

Aside from the very audacity of even mentioning numerology, the key 1/15/2014 language may very well be the G7/G20 wording; Lagarde states the alternative pretty starkly in terms of either/or but not both—and the G20 does not include Russia.

Dr. Jason Kissner is Associate Professor of Criminology at California State University. Dr. Kissner’s research on gangs and self-control has appeared in academic journals. His current empirical research interests include active shootings. You can reach him atcrimprof2010@hotmail.com.
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby stefano » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:43 am

Every time I start getting intrigued by this kind of thing, I read something like this and get so annoyed by the cherry-picking and making shit up that I almost decide that there's nothing in any of this. Almost.

Jason Kissner wrote:117 passengers (according to the airline)


According to the airline; other reports say 118. And there were 6 crew, so 123 or 124 people on board. Why would you only count the crew?

Jason Kissner wrote:And then we have the facts that it took hours for airline and government officials to make AH 5017’s disappearance public


Yes, as always. They don't know where the plane is, they wait to see if it makes contact with a different air control department somewhere else. Once they determine that it really is missing they have to inform probably every manager in the company and draft a statement. Their absolute first priority isn't to let the media know, is it?

Jason Kissner wrote:there were 51 French passengers, and France, declaring victory, had very recently terminated Operation Serval (a counterterrorism adventure in Mali).


So what? Is he surprised or something? French people in West Africa - what next?

Jason Kissner wrote:Finally, we have the pending performance on a France/Russia deal whereby Russia is to receive delivery of two Mistral warships. Maybe certain elitist elements would rather see France breach the contract?


What the fuck is this even doing here? Why would an airline crash in Mali have any bearing whatsoever on the ship deal? Has there been any kind of suggestion, from anyone at all, that Russia had something to do with the crash?

Jason Kissner wrote:Might the demise of AH 5017 be attributable to an act of terror,


It might, but it probably won't.

Jason Kissner wrote:and might there be additional links to the vanishing aircraft of MH 17, MH 370, and veryconceivably even Air France 447?


"Very conceivably?"

Jason Kissner wrote:The same thing happened to Air France 447.


It fell out of the sky? Yes, Kissner, that's why they were in the news. It's not a link, it is the same thing happening to two different flights five years apart.

Jason Kissner wrote:It is unquestionably easy to get carried away with this sort of thing; one very serious problem is that in the absence of a consistently applied, rationally based rule for combining digits and assigning times, it is easy to mold phenomena so as to reach conspiratorial conclusions when nothing obtains other than coincidence (and perhaps not even that).


Quite correct. Laughably easy. A child, or an idiot, could do it.

Jason Kissner wrote:the G20 does not include Russia.


Yes it does.
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby 82_28 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:50 am

In my new job, I was talking to some of the others working on it and it had a "666" in it and everyone said "that's creepy" with a laugh and I said "was it on floor 13?"

Again, laughter.

But what is up with floor 13? How many buildings omit the 13th floor still? I know of a few in Seattle. I guess I will have to look into this history as well. But numerology and coincidence is intriguing because it gives us a glimpse into something, what that something is, of course, I do not know. But it is there. :starz:

A lark theory is that "they" are trying to fuck with us with various combinations in order to scatter the trail in order to feed us with disinfo and narrative for future use. Could be a generation thing. Not meant for us, but a "secret" future for those who come after us.

I have absolutely no idea. Just throwing it out there.
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby semper occultus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:28 am

…to be fair on the article the G20 thing could just be a typo as Russia isn’t in the G7 as opposed to the G20…..but I find the article more interesting for its existence than its content tbh…. being on a fairly straight political type of site….global weirding for sure….


….going a bit Downardian it does occur to me that there is alchemical symbolism somewhere in the plane crash psycho-drama– ritual :

Some sort of solve et coagula of the four elements :

MH370 lost over the Indian Ocean – air / water – ( and presumably fire if it blew up )

MH17 shot down over the Ukraine – air / fire / earth

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If you want to get really creative the Malaysia Airline logo looks abit like the symbol for Mercury – the spirit of life - with flight contrails added...

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....Mercury is quite an interesting symbol to any occultist Olympian sitting at the top of the global capitalist system....

He is the patron god of financial gain, commerce…..trickery and thieves…

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…but was also revered in the classical age in the guise of Hermes Trismegistus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus

as a God of Magic….progenitor of the Hermetic Tradition which underlies the Western magical system….
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:05 pm

[quote="82_28 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:50 am

A lark theory is that "they" are trying to fuck with us with various combinations in order to scatter the trail in order to feed us with disinfo and narrative for future use.
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Considering that the occurence of the numbers and the interpretation of them by pattern-forming observers often has no relationship to the actual symbolism of the number in occult usage, something a rigourous numerologist would probably insist on.


For example, 'after reading the above, I looked up '17' straight from the horse's mouth in good ol' 777.

A few items; Associated with the color orange, Gemini, twins and twin deities. Being in two places at once and prophecy. Magpies, parrots and zebras. The hebrew letter zayin or 'sword'. Alexandrite, tourmaline, iceland spar.

There is of course more, most of which does not fit very easily unless one hammers it into place and cements it with the knowledge that most people won't look any further than the surface. Perhaps there are even more esoteric meanings, but 17 is a personal number for me, I have researched it pretty well and traditionally it is not necesssarily malefic nor connected with disasters in the air (although it is Gemini, so there is a link to air symbolically, I'll give it that, and lookie, South America and Africa have parrots and zebras... :zomg ). If we are going to associate numbers with supposed 'magickal acts' then there has to be a realistic connection otherwise both the observer and magician are wasting their time. The seven stuff and finding single numbers in everything are child's play. We only have ten digits so they get recycled a lot. If the PTB are all superbad magi then the gematria they would use would likely be far more complicated. I would guess that if they use numerology, what they let us see in public is skewed to elicit a particular reaction.

Frankly, I think Legarde was throwing out a big fat red herring. I don't know if it was a joke, I'm sure the elite are well aware of the perception of them in the popular eye right now and that the speech would go viral due to its content. So much easier to deflect by throwing down a false trail to distract the Alex Jones of the world while their real actions remain occult/hidden in plain sight. Their monetary policies are gonna kill more people than their 'numerology' ever did.
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:31 pm

Made a little drinking money when the market flopped last week, that was nice. Of course, I also lost money making the same bets twice before, I so I really wound up washing out at negative seventeen dollars, but really really, what kind of addict uses honest accounting like that? As far as my account is concerned, I made $77 on 8/1/2014 ... I blame Crowley for this, all of it.

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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby justdrew » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:08 pm

well, did anyone pay ANY attention to the rest of her speech after she was done with this silly number nonsense?
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:45 pm

justdrew » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:08 pm wrote:well, did anyone pay ANY attention to the rest of her speech after she was done with this silly number nonsense?


Wasn't that sort of her original idea?

I sampled it at various points. Boilerplate.
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby semper occultus » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:33 pm

...just re-reading The Sirius Mystery...forgotten just what a stunning read it is.....


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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby smiths » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:33 am

on there being no need to send signals to those in the know

its like, revelation of the method, you know
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: Liveblogging Lagarde's LuckySeven Bedlam!

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:02 am

Christine Lagarde Put Under Investigation by French Court WSJ Aug. 27, 2014

PARIS—A French court has put Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, under formal investigation for negligence in a corruption probe dating back to her days as France's finance minister.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/christine-lagarde-put-under-investigation-by-french-court-1409133953?tesla=y&mod=djemalertEuropenews


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