Towards a new RI

[Wombaticus Rex]

Seriously - why is this being allowed to continue?

I would prefer not to think of myself as "allowing" a group of adults -- almost all of whom are certainly older than myself* -- to "continue" an apparently infinite argument.
Too depressing.

Please rephrase your rhetorical question and resubmit for best results.



*I keep bringing up the age thing because I'm stunned any of you can muster the requisite fucks to actually be offended on your own behalf.



Also

We'll get to the evidence eventually- I got things to do right now- waiting at the moment to see who does or does not dare to give a clear answer to the question. So far, y'all are batting .000

This is the height of trolling, you're not even pretending to operate in good faith, AD. Please either grow up or stop engaging if you feel that you can't address this without recourse to smug horseshit like that. Be better. You know, for a NEW RI and shit like that, hope, change, etc.

[Searcher08]

We'll get to the evidence eventually

eventually = At the Heat Death of the Known Universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

[jakell]

My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

Everyone is waiting for you to provide evidence.
You = Waving a piece of paper with 'lists of Commies' on it.
RI = Show Me forum
You = Aint shown jacksheee-it.

It's true I've mentioned 2-3 sites of this description, but each one has been in the context of what I've been discussing, often in depth, it's not been an overall recommendation, a word which is being used here in the same vague sense as advocating was.

Move this stuff to it's appropriate subforum, I might consider going over it again there, but here it's just adding to someone's desire to be the centre of attention.

[coffin_dodger]

We'll get to the evidence eventually- I got things to do right now- waiting at the moment to see who does or does not dare to give a clear answer to the question. So far, y'all are batting .000

"We'll get to the evidence eventually" lol - what is this, some kind of grand inquisition? Who are you gathering the evidence for, AD?

[seemslikeadream]

I believe Womby said 14 people have been banned from RI ...were they all fascist? Is this why we need to be ever vigilant.

[American Dream]

Oh, a very casual admission from jakell!

I have to run out the door- basically right now- to do important Israel/Palestine organizing, as fate would have it. I imagine that anyone who wants to find more detailed information can search for posts from "jakell" along with (alternately) "British Democracy Forum" , "Keith Preston", "white nationalists" (I tthink) or "Majority Rights" (separate searches) and begin to see the pattern- which goes back to the very end of last year as I recall, but continues throughout this calendar year.

Pro-tip: the truth is most always a bit more fucked up worse than the way the culprit spins it...

I will happily do a more thorough search when time and energy permit, but anyone who cares to can begin there...

[elfismiles]

How about doing something democratic - drawing up a shortlist of potential mods and voting on it? I'd like to see Neon in the candidate list.

Then every inactive sleeper-cell persona-puppet-account can be activated and vote.

...

Meanwhile ... my 'FADAR' (Fascist-RADAR) set has been on the Fritz for a long time ... probably due to such close proximity to the AJ here in Austin. In all my years here seeing folks point the fascism-finger at this or that poster, more often than not I'm left going really? I just don't see it. I've no doubt that in some of those instances the accusers were correct.

I think IamWhoIam's suggestions were some of the best so far RE: take this shit off the board and into PMs with the problem-children and the MODS. But also as he said:




Other previously stated and good suggestions:
- NO GD GD forum; mandatory filing of threads into a sub-forum (well maybe not mandatory but less use of the God-Damned General-Discussion forum for stuff that can most obviously go into a sub-forum). I think when I first started posting here I tried to do that but it quickly became obvious that damn near nobody ventures into the sub-forums.
- More MODS so the few current don't lose their minds and can take a much deserved vacation from this kindergarten

Meh - who the hell would want to try and herd us bunch of cats.

I luv you all but JEBUS!!!

[Searcher08]

My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

Everyone is waiting for you to provide evidence.
You = Waving a piece of paper with 'lists of Commies' on it.
RI = Show Me forum
You = Aint shown jacksheee-it.

It's true I've mentioned 2-3 sites of this description, but each one has been in the context of what I've been discussing, often in depth, it's not been an overall recommendation, a word which is being used here in the same vague sense as advocating was.

Move this stuff to it's appropriate subforum, I might consider going over it again there, but here it's just adding to someone's desire to be the centre of attention.

If you want to go to find out about the Hollow Earth theory, I recommend checking out this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N25LSi2qLOQ
I advocate... avoiding drinking during the video performance in case of laughter.

[brainpanhandler]

My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

Everyone is waiting for you to provide evidence.
You = Waving a piece of paper with 'lists of Commies' on it.
RI = Show Me forum
You = Aint shown jacksheee-it.

It's true I've mentioned 2-3 sites of this description, but each one has been in the context of what I've been discussing, often in depth, it's not been an overall recommendation, a word which is being used here in the same vague sense as advocating was.

See, when you put in qualifiers like 'overall' it sends out little alarm bells. Can you understand that? Like, you know, it leads to the question of whether you think a partial recommendation is fine. If that's what you want to say, then say it. I don't even think that's sanction worthy, fwiw, depending on what you're recommending. but let's not pretend you joined the forum like an innocent babe wandering into a forest and had no idea such actions might be provocative. A much better course might have been to let forum members get to know you a bit first.

[Sounder]

I can (sort of) understand AD's POV that there is no use arguing with a fascist, but others may choose to do so and they ought not be (obsessively) accused of being 'one of them' as a reward for their efforts.

Now, while I have not read the link provided by jakell, I'm fairly confident that if looked at, you will see people having it out over hot button issues, where I doubt very much that jackell will be found on the side of racists.

If you find out otherwise AD, be sure to let us know.

More evidence, less innuendo please.

[jakell]

My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

Everyone is waiting for you to provide evidence.
You = Waving a piece of paper with 'lists of Commies' on it.
RI = Show Me forum
You = Aint shown jacksheee-it.

It's true I've mentioned 2-3 sites of this description, but each one has been in the context of what I've been discussing, often in depth, it's not been an overall recommendation, a word which is being used here in the same vague sense as advocating was.

See, when you put in qualifiers like 'overall' it sends out little alarm bells. Can you understand that? Like, you know, it leads to the question of whether you think a partial recommendation is fine. If that's what you want to say, then say it. I don't even think that's sanction worthy, fwiw, depending on what you're recommending. but let's not pretend you joined the forum like an innocent babe wandering into a forest and had no idea such actions might be provocative. A much better course might have been to let forum members get to know you a bit first.

You're reaching quite a bit there. The word 'overall' can be taken out if you like, it's fairly superfluous. I don't really think there's such a thing as a partial recommendation as such a thing would have to be given with caveats and then it is not a recommendation but a 'curate's egg' sort of thing.

I get your drift here though, you are barely concealing your anticipation of an entertaining dissection. forget it, that's already happened and I'm all sewn up again now. you should have recorded it the first time around if that's your bag.

[JackRiddler]

As for jakell, I haven't seen what should warrant this and I did search.

But even given AD's missteps, basically all he has to do is show up with an uncommented article (often interesting in itself, sometimes OT on a thread) to get a LOT of instant howling going. elihu's rant on the besieged white race above is a classic example, and reminds me of how he flooded the Graeber thread for many pages with altogether off-topic sponsored right-wing disinfo about Social Security as a "debt" problem. Why doesn't that prompt the same outrage?

Meanwhile, never mind the white people:

Human race 'will be extinct within 100 years'
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28601

I think this means the Pavlovian responses to AD will also have ended? Any biologists care to comment?

[jakell]

I can (sort of) understand AD's POV that there is no use arguing with a fascist, but others may choose to do so and they ought not be (obsessively) accused of being 'one of them' as a reward for their efforts.

Now, while I have not read the link provided by jakell, I'm fairly confident that if looked at, you will see people having it out over hot button issues, where I doubt very much that jackell will be found on the side of racists.

If you find out otherwise AD, be sure to let us know.

More evidence, less innuendo please.

If you mean the link to the holocaust denial thread (that was the only true link I gave), then I was pretty much a bystander on that (I had a different name too), it was the other people on both sides who were far more active. that particular subject requires a large depth of knowledge plus great patience and experience. My forte was more about tackling them on genetics and highlighting inconsistencies in their general utterances especially on current issues.

[brainpanhandler]

My question is: "Is it perfectly okay with everyone here to repeatedly recommend readers to white nationalist websites?"

Everyone is waiting for you to provide evidence.
You = Waving a piece of paper with 'lists of Commies' on it.
RI = Show Me forum
You = Aint shown jacksheee-it.

It's true I've mentioned 2-3 sites of this description, but each one has been in the context of what I've been discussing, often in depth, it's not been an overall recommendation, a word which is being used here in the same vague sense as advocating was.

See, when you put in qualifiers like 'overall' it sends out little alarm bells. Can you understand that? Like, you know, it leads to the question of whether you think a partial recommendation is fine. If that's what you want to say, then say it. I don't even think that's sanction worthy, fwiw, depending on what you're recommending. but let's not pretend you joined the forum like an innocent babe wandering into a forest and had no idea such actions might be provocative. A much better course might have been to let forum members get to know you a bit first.

You're reaching quite a bit there. The word 'overall' can be taken out if you like, it's fairly superfluous.

There you go again. Fairly superfluous.... If it's not completely superfluous then what purpose does it serve?

I don't really think there's such a thing as a partial recommendation as such a thing would have to be given with caveats

I don't think I fully recommend much of anything, but I do recommend things, therefore I partially recommend things just about all the time if I recommend anything at all. Caveats, disclaimers, that's just a given.

and then it is not a recommendation but a 'curate's egg' sort of thing.

Or a partial recommendation with caveats, as opposed to an overall recommendation, also, presumably with caveats.

I get your drift here though, you are barely concealing your anticipation of an entertaining dissection.

Project much? I think you want to be dissected. I think you want to be the center of attention. I think you want to provoke. I think you want to poke people with a sharp stick. See how that works?

forget it, that's already happened and I'm all sewn up again now. you should have recorded it the first time around if that's your bag.

I'm not even sure what you think my bag is, but ok.

[smiths]

i advocate

banning no-one
getting more mods on the case
reporting behaviour to the mods that you think breaches the rules or the 'spirit' of the forum (instead of hinting at posters and their crimes)
keeping personal arguments in PM discussions

i dont quite understand the sub-forum proposal, are we saying get rid of General Discussion completely and file everything into a sub?
what about stories that are hard to categorise or change as they go along?

and how about all taking a breath, toning down the attacks, and getting on with our pursuits