Towards a new RI

[Searcher08]

Justice or "Just Us"?

Rigorous Intuition should not become a place where aggressive white men with messed up thinking around Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, etc,, rule...

We will surely end up sanctioning reactionary tendencies that should not be sanctioned:

What about making this a place that is more welcoming to gender queer people, women, jews, muslims, immigrants, LGBTQI folks, black people, Asians, Indigenous, etc., not less?

The reactionaries here are not going to be a very positive influence if they take over. That should be obvious.

Many people here consider your sustained behaviour as 'witchfindery'.
Take the log out of yer own eye first.
Oh, and your words are evidence-free nonsense - show me where *you* personally have welcomed people to the board?

[American Dream]

Rigorous Intuition should not become a place where aggressive white men with messed up thinking around Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, etc,, rule...

What about making this a place that is more welcoming to gender queer people, women, jews, muslims, immigrants, LGBTQI folks, black people, Asians, Indigenous, etc., not less?

Yes and yes. Especially #2. But at the same time, the core issues have to remain. My view is this is a place for examining the Weird and developing fundamental skepticism toward official stories and dominant ideologies and paradigms, without preremptory attacks, especially from those who would seek to dismiss as "conspiracy theory" all talk of hidden power structures, deception and malfeasance in public, political and economic life. This must remain a place for evidence- and logic-based discussions of these issues without the James Randi-style sophistry or naive repetitions of liberal faith blocking discourse and inquiry.

I strongly agree- and think that having the collective wherewithal to sustain the current guidelines consistently really helps with that.

I really want us to be and stay in that zone and I have no doubt that this is possible.

[seemslikeadream]

funny...... aggressive white men talking about aggressive white men

[JackRiddler]

funny...... aggressive white men talking about aggressive white men

Excellent! This is progress for you.

[seemslikeadream]

and you too....good to see you can look in the mirror

[Project Willow]

Yes, there has been a lot of personal venom in the past ten pages.

And it's the same old personal venom that's been repeated so often we're all painfully familiar with every molecule of it. I can't decide if I want to just ignore it all in future and forever, or ban everybody involved, the consequences be damned. Why on earth would anybody want to be a mod if they have to deal with the same argument for 3 years, a group of grown adults who all know each other but can't figure out how the fuck to get along?

All this concern over prejudice and social justice but you can't control your behavior enough to keep from continually yelling at your neighbor? That's what wrong with the world.

[Searcher08]

you know there used to be a moderation where someone would be given some non-elective time-off. why the kid gloves with the dream? the democratic sentiment seems obvious to me if we go by the numbers...

An Ostracon, hooray!

I read your pottery post above - and ended up spending two hours diving into The Melian Dialogue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melian_dialogue
which seemed to reflect certain aspects of what is happening here.
I was left wondering... were they brave? dumb? martyrs?
A bit like when Alexander The Great came across a city (in Scythia IIRC) built by Greeks, lived in by Greeks, who still spoke Greek and who welcomed him into the city with a lavish procession whereupon they were all slaughtered. He was a bit of a hard-ass, that guy.
Anyway, cheers for the Hellenistic post

[stefano]

This thread (and this board, sometimes) made me think of a pretty good joke. Stop me if you've heard it.

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

[Searcher08]

Dear Mr PurpleFreud,

Lulz reported in London

yours,
S08

[American Dream]

There's only two here who I can think of who grossly disrespect the guidelines. The rest, I would like to be able to engage in rational debate with, as helpful, especially regarding certain ideas that seem really "off": racist and/or reactionary myths, etc. Where that sort of rational debate is just not possible, I could content myself to substantive expressions of disagreement without the need for an exchange, and/or just agreeing to disagree.

[Sounder]

What the fuck is wrong with this anti-AD faction who are now posing as the True RI Majority?

Who is ‘posing’ as what again?

You will tolerate "The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you," no problem, oh don't ban precious bluenose, that would be hysterical, let's all get along and never say mean things to each other on a message board as some of us advocate exterminating the Jews in special UK Council concentration camps.

Perhaps if we had an upvote/downvote tab, the opinions about bluenose would be clearer.

But AD re-posting articles on anti-fascism is intolerable to this same group!

You have misidentified the ‘intolerable’ element in AD contributions. (Not intolerable to me, that is; even the objectionable practice of casting innuendo all hither and yon, can be used as a lesson on how not to treat other people.)

Strange, I never thought the anti-fascist articles were meant to indicate I have sympathies for fascists. Why do you feel targeted?

Uhhh, because what people do is a more accurate indicator of a persons character than is all the fancy things they say. It’s one of those evolutionary adaptations the common folk cooked up to cope with the salesmen of the dominant narrative.

Some of you feel remotely targeted, like the mere presence of AD somewhere is an accusation to YOU.

No not really, I’m not that insecure.

Have you ever figured out there is an ignore function here? You need never scroll through AD's posts ever again.

I would never put anyone on ignore. Some of my best inspirations come from those I most fundamentally disagree with. I love those people, -your mileage may vary.

FIGURE IT OUT. The annoying poster who takes up "too much space" can be ignored, like I do with SLAD, who starts about 14 times as many threads as AD - I will call that a "scientific measurement" without "hyperbole," since she's going to decide that is how I meant it, and will therefore post 10,000 thread links to prove that the ratio of her thread proliferation flooding this board compared to AD's is not 14:1.

So, SMILE! This is going to be a SLAD Screen Shot

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I also do not care for SLAD’s volume proclivity. Much of it is propaganda and can safely be ignored. But at least SLAD does not seek to impose a narrow lens by which all things are to be judged on the community, most of whose members are smarter than AD.

Do you want to ignore the approving promoter of racist calls for the extermination of "Jews" per se as the problem in the world? I need to know now.

Yes, one way to discourage things one does not like is to ignore it, not noble but true.

Because hey, if that's what we have to offer, we can just call it the Youtube comments section and make it a day.

Try this Jack, I work with some rough folk, some racist, many more not. The Ukrainian Christian tile guy obviously loves his work as it is perfect. He is a nice guy yet says with venom that Russians are dogs. He seems to be heavily taken in by the fascist mindset taking hold of western Ukraine. So, tell me please, from your ivory tower; what is the proper way to engage with such fascists?

I have another friend, a Zionist. I tell him Zionism is racism. I say why, we argue a bit, but we are still friends.

If AD wants to ‘hunt’ for racists, I might humbly suggest that there is better game to be found elsewhere.

[jakell]

^^"If AD wants to ‘hunt’ for racists, I might humbly suggest that there is better game to be found elsewhere".

Sums up a great deal of what I've been saying, but that would take a large part of the 'hunting' element out of it . Here, it's more of an investigation that will never disappoint by being actually completed and there we enter into the ritual theatre of the Snark hunt.

[Sounder]

Here, it's more of an investigation that will never disappoint by being actually completed and there we enter into the ritual theatre of the Snark hunt.

Exactly, lots of posing

[Searcher08]

Here, it's more of an investigation that will never disappoint by being actually completed and there we enter into the ritual theatre of the Snark hunt.

Exactly, lots of posing

Please compare and contrast if you can spare a few minutes:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12862&hilit=ICKE
From 2007.
This seven-page thread was full of piss-taking humour, loads of different positive, minus and interesting *personal* points of view respectfully, clearly and forcefully expressed. Learning and exploration happening.

When I think of a great RI discussion, this is one comes to mind.

No one personally insulted, belittled, referred to as a 'fucking anti-Semite' or 'running interference for racists' or 'kool-aid drinkers'.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36579&hilit=ICKE
From 2013
The first insult comes at just the second post from the OP. Humour-free, no tolerance or curiosity or exploration of a different pov from the OP, differing personal points of view flooded with low quality CopyPasta, an incessant, divisive, bad-faith reframing of objections to this very behaviour as: supporting fascism, anti-Semitism and working to a far right agenda at RI.
Temperature increase. Massive bad feeling. Thread locked.

When I think of a hideous RI thread, this one comes to mind.

Compare and contrast these threads, if you will. What are your impressions?

[Iamwhomiam]

This caught my attention:

jakell wrote:

If you mean the link to the holocaust denial thread (that was the only true link I gave), then I was pretty much a bystander on that (I had a different name too), it was the other people on both sides who were far more active.

So, jakell, what other username were you then called?

It would help those of us to learn more about your past contributions.

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Seems to me the only witch hunt occurring presently is one being engaged in by some hoping to ban AD.

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Placing another poster on "Ignore" or even a more thorough blocking of another's comments seems to me rather immature, childish, in fact. Like turning off the news to pretend the horrors being reported are not actually occurring. "I'm not talking' to him. You tell him this for me and then tell me what he has to say" kinda crap.

No one can control another's postings until after they've posted. The only thing you can control is your reaction to what they've written. You're all adults, fer crissakes.

And you all are disrespecting your host who provides you with this remarkable place. He asks only that you conduct yourselves appropriately as intelligent adults and do unto others as you would have them do to you.

If you cannot keep yourself and your emotions contained because another's words have inflamed you, please remember whose living room you are in and that you are a guest here and restrain yourself from acting out - out of respect for Mr. Wells and his Rigorous Intuition.

A momentary lapse of reason caused my first one-week banning and a month of self-induced introspection.
If you feel yourself getting hot and cannot contain yourself, limit your anger to a PM to whomever wrote what upset you. Or complain to a mod. But let's keep the board clean of such cosmic debris, cause if you don't, that is surely all that will be left of RI to remember.

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Perhaps mods could divert front page (GD) postings to the appropriate subforum?

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Searcher wrote,

The first insult comes at just the second post from the OP. Humour-free, no tolerance or curiosity or exploration of a different pov from the OP, differing personal points of view flooded with low quality CopyPasta, an incessant, divisive, bad-faith reframing of objections to this very behaviour as: supporting fascism, anti-Semitism and working to a far right agenda at RI.
Temperature increase. Massive bad feeling. Thread locked.

When I think of a hideous RI thread, this one comes to mind.

Compare and contrast these threads, if you will. What are your impressions?

This is patently false.

Here is the second posting on the 2013 thread, mine:

Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Post by Iamwhomiam » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:40 pm
How can we be sure that Icke is not exactly what he's claimed others to be, a shape-shifting lizard, in order to further destabilize society?

How can we be sure that is indeed Icke in those videos and not some crisis actor?

Frankly, look who's missing from the 2007 Icke thread and compare it to the present participants.
With the passage of time comes new information with which some may now have changed their 2007 opinion of Icke. I still can't get past his claim to be the Messiah. How those who support him do is beyond my understanding.

Edited once to correct and include sentence erroneously omitted from quote box