James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

[Nordic]

8bit, very interesting, the visual parallels between this and that scene from "Seven".

Especially since that scene involved a severed head.

[stefano]

I'm not about to go watching that clip, but both AFP and the US's National Security Council were still saying on Wednesday that they were trying to authenticate it. The only dubious element seems to be how Foley ended up in IS's custody for ten months without that being much of a talking point, but there should be no doubt that IS is happy to cut off people's heads or that the start of US air strikes provide a 'reason' (in maniacs' logic) to kill Foley now.

And stillrobertpaulsen - Assad definitely let some jihadist crazies out of jail to make it diplomatically difficult for the US and the Europeans to arm his enemies. As it did.

[Nordic]

The start of US air strikes provides a reason for a nice brutal Psyops to justify it, and continue it.

I saw lots of comments today about "nuking the whole region to glass/molten glass" as a response to this bullshit. The O'Bomber himself chimed in with some tough-guy nonsense about it as well.

[stefano]

The start of US air strikes provides a reason for a nice brutal Psyops to justify it, and continue it.

Unneccesary. The outcry over the Christians stuck on Sinjar mountain was all the justification Obama needed. I actually don't think the US government wants to destroy IS, it just wants to keep it away from Kurdish Iraq.

[BOOGIE66]

The start of US air strikes provides a reason for a nice brutal Psyops to justify it, and continue it.

I saw lots of comments today about "nuking the whole region to glass/molten glass" as a response to this bullshit. The O'Bomber himself chimed in with some tough-guy nonsense about it as well.

I can also see future attempts at saying his killer was released from gitmo to justify continuing to keep it open and holding people without charges indefinitely.


Another thing about Foley is he was previously kidnapped and released in 2011. But it seems like that has been scrubbed from the record. I had to search "james foley released 2011 -executed -beheaded -beheading -killed -slain -died -murder -murdered" before I could get any mention of it in the search results.

Something interesting about that ordeal I did find contained this:

After release, James Foley recounts ‘dark secret’ in Libya <---- (link)

While in prison in Tripoli, Foley said he could hear the sound of NATO bombs dropping nearby and feared his captors might harm him in retaliation.

Epic foreshadowing?

[BOOGIE66]

The start of US air strikes provides a reason for a nice brutal Psyops to justify it, and continue it.

Unneccesary. The outcry over the Christians stuck on Sinjar mountain was all the justification Obama needed. I actually don't think the US government wants to destroy IS, it just wants to keep it away from Kurdish Iraq.

Which is funny because the US didn't give a shit about the Iraqi Christians they displaced with their invasion and occupation, but now 11 years later when ISIS does it they care?

More Christians Flee Iraq After New Violence

Christians displaced again by Iraqi violence

[BOOGIE66]

The video doesn't actually show the beheading (which we are supposed to believe was done with a bowie knife) it uses a classic filmmakers technique of implying just enough before cutting away then returning to the end result for our brains to assume the in between is what we are being led to believe it is.

The chainsaw scene from Scarface is a perfect example of this

[stefano]

While in prison in Tripoli, Foley said he could hear the sound of NATO bombs dropping nearby and feared his captors might harm him in retaliation.

Epic foreshadowing?

Well, that's what a hostage is for - the captor wants to use the threat of harm to the hostage to dissuade enemy action. It only works if the threat is credible, so some hostages get killed, in the most public way possible.

[Searcher08]

1 A British MP from a Muslim area estimated there are between 1500 and 2000 British jihadis with ISIS.
1a There will be probably be sophisticated recruits from every 21st century discipline, sharing their expertise
2 Since capturing Mosul and some of the largest banks in Iraq, the jihadis are nearly £500 million richer.
3 ISIS also seem to have a deluge of money from Qatar
4 They are primarily focused on consolidation at the moment - multiple mass executions (in the hundreds) of Sunni tribes that are resisting them.
5 They appear to have a very successful organisation induction programme as evidenced by new recruits quite happily executing prisoners
6 They appear to be using a strategy which demonstrably shows many of the elements of Mongol / Timurid / Mamluk war making - so of course there will be massive psychological warfare.
7 The whole operation will be recruitment-driven (my take is the videos are aimed at recruits, more than the west), it will be focused on capturing physical land and resources - and aimed for the foreseeable future at wiping out *Sunni* resistance before turning their attention to their main target, the Shia and Iran.

[BOOGIE66]

While in prison in Tripoli, Foley said he could hear the sound of NATO bombs dropping nearby and feared his captors might harm him in retaliation.

Epic foreshadowing?

Well, that's what a hostage is for - the captor wants to use the threat of harm to the hostage to dissuade enemy action. It only works if the threat is credible, so some hostages get killed, in the most public way possible.

How many bombs do you think the US will refrain from using because of this video? I'm going with zero.

[stefano]

Yeah obviously. I'm saying a Westerner captured by a jihadist group would expect, as Foley did, to be harmed in retaliation for a Western attack, because that is why he is where he is.

[82_28]

Yeah, I am not about to watch that either real or not but will take Nordic's word on his analysis. What is lost upon the propagandists is that us anti-war folk is that if real, it didn't happen in a vacuum. The need to convince through a beheading is telling as to what bullshit this all is. Nothing adds up. There is no impetus other than creating an "Islamist State". Which again, makes no sense. Who, AGAIN, is funding this show?

Like I said in another thread, the temperatures there are about 118 degrees F currently. It is impossible for what we are lead to believe to be a "rag tag" group to "safely" wage a war OUTSIDE of any kind of heat protection -- you don't just go and cool down and then "get back out there". I also brought up, who is flowing them the obvious much needed water if we are to believe this is real. And the absurdity of wearing head to toe black when it is nearly 120 degrees begs disbelief IF they are such a threat.

[8bitagent]

1 A British MP from a Muslim area estimated there are between 1500 and 2000 British jihadis with ISIS.
1a There will be probably be sophisticated recruits from every 21st century discipline, sharing their expertise
2 Since capturing Mosul and some of the largest banks in Iraq, the jihadis are nearly £500 million richer.
3 ISIS also seem to have a deluge of money from Qatar
4 They are primarily focused on consolidation at the moment - multiple mass executions (in the hundreds) of Sunni tribes that are resisting them.
5 They appear to have a very successful organisation induction programme as evidenced by new recruits quite happily executing prisoners
6 They appear to be using a strategy which demonstrably shows many of the elements of Mongol / Timurid / Mamluk war making - so of course there will be massive psychological warfare.
7 The whole operation will be recruitment-driven (my take is the videos are aimed at recruits, more than the west), it will be focused on capturing physical land and resources - and aimed for the foreseeable future at wiping out *Sunni* resistance before turning their attention to their main target, the Shia and Iran.

A young jihadi on an Islamic State twitter account thread chain asks why they do not attack Israel, and the answer given(via translation) is something
about it's more important to take out the hypocrites, meaning Shia. Which got me thinking, why HAVENT THERE been Islamist attacks on Israel or Israeli interests?
Then I googled "Israel and Isis" and ooh boy.

Where have I been? Turns out there is a lot of evidence Israel is squarely behind and helping the anti Bashir Syrian jihadis, if not ISIS itself

Israel regularly treats Syrian "rebels"
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ls_wounded

Israel military aiding rebels by attacking Syrian positions
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/23 ... boy-death/

Israel conducting airstrikes against Bashir forces
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.555428

[seemslikeadream]

Islamic State: British fighters make up a quarter of foreign jihadists

Isis militants regard Britons who travel abroad to fight as some of the 'most vicious and vociferous fighters' in Syria and Iraq

Jonathan Owen

Wednesday, 20 August 2014
The brutal beheading of US journalist James Foley by a Briton fighting in the ranks of Isis, which calls itself Islamic State, is the latest - and most shocking - example of British jihadists committing atrocities in Syria and Iraq.


Britain accounts for around one in four of all European fighters who have pledged their allegiance to Isis, with an estimated 500 Britons among 2,000 foreign fighters from across Europe.

One reason is the sheer ease with which people can get to Istanbul in Turkey, and then catch a bus to get into neighbouring Syria, according to Charlie Cooper, a researcher at the Quilliam Foundation. Isis wants to “show off” its foreign fighters as part of its propaganda, he added. And the unnamed man who beheaded Mr Foley “will have committed himself entirely to furthering the aims of the Islamic state" and "completely rejected his British nationality”.

The killing of the American journalist was evidence that British jihadis were "some of the most vicious and vociferous fighters" in Syria and Iraq, said Shiraz Maher, a senior researcher at the International Center for the Study of Radicalization at King's College London. They are “very much at the forefront of this conflict” with roles ranging from suicide bombers to executioners, he added.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond called the killing an “appalling example of the brutality of this organisation” and admitted that “significant numbers” of Britons are involved in “terrible crimes, probably in the commission of atrocities”.

In pictures: James Foley

Professor Anthony Glees, of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham, told The Independent: “Why are there Brits there? In my view this is because Islamist extremist ideologies have been able to be spread with relative ease in our country under the cover of 'religion', 'free speech' and 'multiculturalism'.” He added: “A small number of British Muslims have been brainwashed by so-called preachers, from western values and convinced that they must kill to create a global caliphate.”

And they are willing to die for their beliefs.

Video: Isis recruitment video
Abdul Waheed Majeed, a 41-year-old father of three from Crawley, Sussex, died in a suicide bomb attack on a jail in Aleppo in February.

Many other Britons have been killed in the fighting. Earlier this month, 25-year-old Muhammad Hamidur Rahman, a former Primark supervisor from Portsmouth, became the latest to die, bringing the total number of Britons killed to 19.

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Meanwhile, British fighters continue to make their presence felt online. Last week, images emerged of 23-year-old Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, from London, holding the severed head of a soldier with the caption: “Chilling’ with my homie or what’s left of him.”

Radicalised Britons, who call themselves the "Baadiya Boys" after their original base in Syria, are among the fighters who have raped and killed thousands of Yazidi refugees in northern Iraq.

Another British fighter, Reyaad Khan, 20, from Cardiff, has boasted of preparing for "martyrdom ops" and planning "fireworks" in a series of tweets over recent weeks in which he has also claimed to have “executed many prisoners”.

And last week it emerged that Nasser Muthana, 20, from Cardiff, had posted images on Twitter of a destroyed military building in northern Syria, claiming: “I’m getting good with these bombs.”

Muthana, who is in Syria with his 17-year-old brother Aseel, describes himself on Twitter as a "soldier of the Islamic State"

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[8bitagent]

Yeah, I am not about to watch that either real or not but will take Nordic's word on his analysis. What is lost upon the propagandists is that us anti-war folk is that if real, it didn't happen in a vacuum. The need to convince through a beheading is telling as to what bullshit this all is. Nothing adds up. There is no impetus other than creating an "Islamist State". Which again, makes no sense. Who, AGAIN, is funding this show?

Like I said in another thread, the temperatures there are about 118 degrees F currently. It is impossible for what we are lead to believe to be a "rag tag" group to "safely" wage a war OUTSIDE of any kind of heat protection -- you don't just go and cool down and then "get back out there". I also brought up, who is flowing them the obvious much needed water if we are to believe this is real. And the absurdity of wearing head to toe black when it is nearly 120 degrees begs disbelief IF they are such a threat.

It's become clear to me that Israel and the Western think tanks who obsess over the destruction of Iran and Iranian influence are in many ways championing ISIS.

http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/30/netanyahu ... or-israel/
http://scgnews.com/ironic-israel-helps- ... government

It's always a weird coinkydink how Israel never seems to be a target of jihadists. It seems Turkey, who hates the Kurds with a passion, conveniently leaves MANY border crossings into Syria completely unmanned.
Jordan may be one of the few fat cat Sunni Arab states somewhat fearful of ISIS, but I wouldnt be surprised if the rest still secretly support them if not outright fund or move money for them.
Turkey(NATO) and Israel, and we know Saudi Arabia poured assloads of cash and arms into the Syrian "Rebels". But what about US and UK? Both can feign horror from Foley, but...
one has to wonder...