James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

[Byrne]

It's worth noting that the Foley 'video' was 'discovered' by Rita Katz's S.I.T.E. Institute SITE Intelligence Group, you know, the 'group' that happened to find all the Osama Bin Laden videos............

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Militant Group Says It Killed American Journalist in Syria
ISIS Video Purports to Show Beheading of James Foley
By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI AUG. 19, 2014

James Foley, in a photo from the website FreeJamesFoley.org, in Aleppo, Syria, in November 2012, the month he disappeared. Credit Nicole Tung, via Associated Press

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria posted a video on Tuesday that it said showed the beheading of James Foley, an American journalist who was kidnapped in Syria nearly two years ago, according to a transcript released by the SITE Intelligence Group.

The authenticity of the video, which was also posted on YouTube, could not be verified, and a telephone call placed to Mr. Foley’s family was not immediately returned. YouTube later took down the four-minute, 40-second video.

Titled “A Message to America,” the video shows the journalist kneeling in a desert landscape, clad in an orange jumpsuit — an apparent reference to the uniforms worn by prisoners at the American military detention camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Standing to his left is a masked ISIS fighter, who begins speaking in English, with what sounds like an East London accent. Pulling out a knife, he says that Mr. Foley’s execution is in retaliation for the recent American airstrikes ordered by President Obama against the extremist group in Iraq.
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An image from a video posted by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, which the group said was the execution of James Foley. “I call on my friends, family and loved ones to rise up against my real killers — the U.S. government — for what will happen to me is only a result of their complacent criminality,” Mr. Foley says in the video, which was uploaded to the online account of the al-Furqan Media Foundation, according to SITE, an organization that follows jihadist groups. He ends saying that when American soldiers began dropping bombs on Iraq this month, “they signed my death certificate.”

On Tuesday night, Mr. Foley’s mother, Diane Foley, issued a statement on the Facebook page the family had created to publicize their son’s disappearance: “We have never been prouder of our son Jim. He gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people. We implore the kidnappers to spare the lives of the remaining hostages. Like Jim, they are innocents. They have no control over American government policy in Iraq, Syria or anywhere in the world.”
Two weeks ago, in the wake of American-led airstrikes against the terrorist group, which was fanning out across Iraq, jihadists had taken to social media to call for attacks on American interests. In the three hours after the graphic video of Mr. Foley’s beheading was uploaded on YouTube, jihadists using the hashtag “#NewMessageFromISIStoUS” surpassed 2,000 tweets, according to a survey by SITE, with many fighters gloating over his death, and calling it just retribution for the air raids.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/world/middleeast/isis-james-foley-syria-execution.html

& a good article on ISIS here: Isis ? What Crisis ?

What’s important is that the strategic objectives of Isis and those of the United States coincide.

Both entities seek greater political representation for Sunnis, both want to minimize Iranian influence in Iraq, and both support a soft partition plan that former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Leslie H. Gelb, called “The only viable strategy to correct (Iraq ‘s) historical defect and move in stages toward a three-state solution: Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shiites in the south.”

[8bitagent]

Nordic, it is CURIOUS that whenever a super famous "game changing" jihadi video magically appears online, there seems to be a lot of...strange anomalies. Look at that famous Sept 11th posted video of bin laden a couple years before his death, it looks EXACTLY like the 2004 october surprise video that helped hand Bush a victory. Notice the later video froze whenever bin laden talked about modern events and then went back to the video when he spoke about general infidel caliphate blah blah.

Noone ever asks, why do all these famous jihadi videos always, ALWAYS have something...odd about them. Why the hell does Foley in the video almost seem like he's smiling, like he wants to die. Drugs/brainwashing?
Youd think hed be screaming, yelling, doing whatever. I mean the guy is fucking reading his own will. And yeah, why cut out the actual death? ISIS has NO problem apparently showing mass execution videos online.

None of it makes sense. Now I see so many of my anti war friends on facebook saying that finally we have the right war. Yeah ISIS appears to be brutal on a scale that the so called al Qaeda never reached, but
what is the REAL agenda at play? A "reluctant Obama now giving serious thought to full commitment to not just Iraq but now Syria".

Hmmm....

[divideandconquer]

That many people are just buying the video as gospel truth without question is bad enough, however I expected a bit more skepticism from more of the regular posters here.

I'm always amazed at the lack of skepticism, especially from intelligent people...

It's an assumption. based on what we're being told by professional liars. Why believe the pro liars about anything?

Yes, all videos may be fakes. especially those which push an agenda of global terror war criminal profiteers. Like the US and the now international MIC.

...regarding anything the paid for "professional liars" dish out in order to fan the war flames--get we the people in an uproar--in order to do worse than the supposed "enemy" ever did.

The bottom line is that anyone with two functioning brain cells should be able to see that the beheading is fake, however, most of us are so conditioned to believe whatever the paid for professional liars tell us/show us that they don't have to try

P.S. Watch a real Mexican drug cartel beheading and then watch this one...supposedly, there is no comparison. (I didn't watch drug cartel beheading but I was told this by someone who did).

[justdrew]

skeptics should consider:

Foley was at the scene of Muammar Gaddafi’s capture on October 20, 2011.

Look into who's bankrolling GlobalPost. How convenient that they're able to place assets in Active Zones all over the place and who would dare question their legitimacy?

Sources in the investigation process say Foley was initially kidnapped by Shabiha militia, a group loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. He was later reportedly held in the custody in a Syrian Arab Air Force intelligence complex in Damascus.

There may well be a reason these 'corespondents' are increasingly being treated as combatants. Very similar to the reason it's now so difficult to provide vaccinations in Pakistan.

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It's also entirely possible this man is still alive, they just 'burned' his old cover and now he's a new man with a new SSN and everything; and probably a new mission before long. Perhaps the 'rescue mission' that failed, DID NOT FAIL. In which case IS didn't even make the video. It would be interesting perhaps to put out a fake video and see if IS denies it. I bet they do not deny fake videos that are attributed to them.

[seemslikeadream]

Rapper identified as James Foley's executioner: reports
Date
August 24, 2014 - 11:54PM

Key suspect: Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary who raps under the name Lyricist Jinn Matic.
Key suspect: Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary who raps under the name Lyricist Jinn Matic. Photo: YouTube
British intelligence agencies MI5 and MI6 have identified the man suspected of the horrific beheading of American journalist James Foley, according to UK media reports.

The hooded man with an English accent is believed to be 23-year-old Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, known to fellow Islamic State militants as Jihadi John.

The former rapper left his family home in an affluent west London suburb last year to fight in the civil war in Syria.

Murdered: American journalist James Foley.
Murdered: American journalist James Foley. Photo: AP
In early August he tweeted a photo of himself wearing military camouflage and a black hood, while holding a severed head in his left hand.

British SAS forces are hunting Mr Foley's killers, using a range of high-tech equipment to track him down and potentially free other hostages.

The Mail on Sunday is reporting that a "significant force" of SAS personnel has been deployed to northern Iraq over the past two days, joining local units fighting IS. They have fanned out into four-man teams, accompanying Iraqi and Kurdish troops in an effort to find British jihadis.

The Sunday Times reports that Bary is the key focus of the man hunt. He is one of the British jihadists former hostages referred to as the Beatles because of their British accents. The two others were called "George" and "Ringo".

The two other Britons suspected of involvement in the crime are Aine Davis, a former drug dealer who converted to Islam, and Razul Islam, who is believed to have joined the terrorist group that murdered Mr Foley.

Bary is the son of an Egyptian-born militant who is awaiting trial on terrorism in Manhattan, due to his alleged involvement in the bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Before leaving the family home to fight in Syria, Bary was an aspiring rapper known as L Jinny whose music was played on one of the UK's most popular radio stations, BBC Radio 1.

Recordings of his songs will prove vital to the investigating team, with experts using voice recognition technology to match his voice with that of the man who brutally decapitated Mr Foley.

Bary made a number of music videos for his songs, with titles such as Flying High, Dreamer and Overdose.

It is believed he was indoctrinated by an Islamic preacher named Anjem Choudary who persuaded him to join the fight in Syria.

UK spies identify Foley’s killer, Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary a key suspect
MARK HOOKHAM AND RICHARD KERBAJ THE TIMES AUGUST 25, 2014 12:00AM

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THE spy agencies MI5 and MI6 have identified the British fighter suspected of murdering the US journalist James Foley, British government sources confirmed yesterday.

The masked man with a London accent, who is said to be known as Jihadi John, was seen in the shocking video of Foley’s death released by the Islamic State extremist army last week.

While sources gave no details of the man they have identified, a key suspect is Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, 23, who left his family’s £1 million ($1.78m) home in Maida Vale, west London, last year. He recently tweeted a picture of himself holding up a severed head.

The intelligence agencies and police estimate up to 20 British extremists a month are now travelling to Syria and Iraq to fight with Islamic State. The rate has risen since Islamic State declared a “caliphate” eight weeks ago. US ­officials said America was considering carrying out drone strikes on Islamic State leaders in Syria as it steps up its activities in the country, and could also provide more help for moderate rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

Pentagon sources claimed President Barack Obama agonised for weeks over whether to authorise a mission to rescue Foley and other foreign hostages. Delta Force commandos finally launched the mission on July 4 but the hostages had been moved.

“They were ready to go in June to grab the guy and they weren’t permitted,” said Anthony Shaffer, a former lieutenant colonel who worked on covert operations.

Writing in The Sunday Times yesterday, British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond accused Foley’s killer of “an utter betrayal” of everything the British people stand for. “It is horrifying to think that the perpetrator of this ­heinous act could have been brought up in Britain,” he wrote.

Mr Hammond said Foley’s death was “a reminder to us all that Islamic extremism in Iraq and Syria is not only causing huge suffering in those countries but is also a barbaric ideology threatening us at home”.

Unless Islamic State is stopped, “sooner or later they will seek to strike us on British soil”, he wrote.

The comments are the most ­explicit warning yet from a British cabinet minister about the risk of an attack against the country.

The British government, he wrote, was “investing significant resources to tackle this problem for the long term” and to disrupt Islamic State’s ability “to organise, raise funds and attack us here in Britain”.

While “we must support the overwhelming majority of British Muslims who are moderate, law-abiding people with values and morals we all share ... we should be in no doubt that we have a vital ­national interest in tackling the threat from Islamic State,” he said.

Government sources insisted that while the option of British air strikes on the jihadists remained on the table, they “are not being actively considered or proposed at this stage”.

Military planners are, however, drawing up plans to deploy scores of British troops to help train a “substantial” number of Iraqi troops and Kurdish Peshmerga fighters.

Training will focus on the use of heavy weaponry such as artillery, mortars and Milan antitank weapons.

Sources said Britain was exploring the possibility of establishing training camps in the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq and in Baghdad, although the high security risk meant the training could take place in Jordan or Britain instead.

Jihadi John, James Foley’s Killer: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Published 1:44 pm EDT, August 24, 2014 Updated 2:04 pm EDT, August 24, 2014 Comment By Sam Prince 1.6k


Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary of England is alleged to be the killer of American journalist James Foley, according to be British intelligence agencies MI5 and MI6. Here’s what you need to know.

1. He is a British Rapper

Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, better known by his rap name Jinn Matic, is 23-years-old and was raised in a rich west London suburb called Maida Vale. His childhood home is reportedly worth more than 1-million pounds.



Above is a rap video of his titled Still Here.
His music was popular and was even played on BBC Radio 1, one of the top radio stations in England.

2. He Left for Syria Last Year
(Twitter)
(Twitter)


Bary left for Syria last year to fight in the civil war.
His twitter account has been suspended, but according to the Sydney Morning Herald:

In early August he tweeted a photo of himself wearing military camouflage and a black hood, while holding a severed head in his left hand.

3. MI5 & MI6 Identified him as Foley’s Killer



According to the Sunday Times:
MI5 and MI6 have identified the British fighter suspected of murdering the American journalist James Foley, senior government sources confirmed last night.

The masked man with a London accent, who is said to be known to fellow fighters as “Jihadi John”, was seen in the shocking video of Foley’s death released by the Isis extremist army last week.

Jihadi John was then identified as Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary.

The case being built against him used the execution video of Foley and matched his executioner’s speaking voice to various YouTube rap videos of Bary’s.

4. He is the Son of Another Suspected Terrorist
Bary’s father is currently on trial in New York City.

The Sydney Morning Herald further reports:

Bary is the son of an Egyptian-born militant who is awaiting trial on terrorism in Manhattan, due to his alleged involvement in the bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Accordingly, MI5 and 6 have deployed agents into ISIS-held territory to hunt down the alleged second generation terrorist. The Daily Mail reports:

British Special Forces hunting the killer of James Foley are using an array of sophisticated equipment to track him down – and possibly free other hostages being held.

The Mail on Sunday has been told that in the past 48 hours a ‘significant force’ of SAS soldiers and signallers have deployed to northern Iraq, joining Iraqi and Kurdish units fighting IS.

They have separated into four-man teams and are accompanying local troops in an attempt to capture British jihadis, identify them and establish links to Jihadi John.

5. Anjem Choudary Allegedly Persuaded him to Fight in Syria


According to Wikipedia, Anjem Choudary is:

Anjem Choudary is a British Muslim social and political activist.

Choudary has ties to terrorist organizations and has referred to the terrorists who orchestrated 9/11 as “magnificent martyrs.”

It is believed that Choudary encouraged Bary to go fight in Syria.

[Elvis]

This is getting fishy, all right.

[Searcher08]

Pondering...
If you have a planet where the psychopathic subspecies of humans have risen to positions of power, and that part of their condition (according to Ponerology) is that they are able to identify others like themselves, while the non-psychopathic are unable to - I wonder whether the fact that people here at RI are non-psychopathic places us in an extreme dis-advantage regarding the dynamics of how the world is working at the moment?
For all we know, there could be an unknown 'language' between psychopaths, whereby their own kind is advanced, even if they appear on opposite sides of religious / political / race / gender divides... reminded of when George Bush talked about looking into Putin's eyes...

[coffin_dodger]

Search said:

For all we know, there could be an unknown 'language' between psychopaths

There is. It's called 'owning' - and in particular, owning money. The more you own, the less you have to give a fuck. The most psychopathic psychopaths can be identified by the devastatingly futile tenet 'the more you have, the more you want'. Our societies produce, encourage and reward these people. Happy Days.

[seemslikeadream]

Foley murder video 'may have been staged'
Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered

James Foley in the video of his murder
By Bill Gardner12:52AM BST 25 Aug 2014
The video of James Foley’s execution may have been staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, it has emerged.
Forensic analysis of the footage of the journalist’s death has suggested that the British jihadist in the film may have been the frontman rather than the killer.
The clip, which apparently depicts Mr Foley’s brutal beheading, has been widely seen as a propaganda coup for Islamic State miltant group.
But a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.
A forensic analyst told The Times that no blood can be seen, even though the knife is drawn across the neck area at least six times.

“After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black,” the analysis said.
Sounds allegedly made by Foley do not appear consistent with what may be expected.
During Foley’s speech, there appears to be a blip which could indicate the journalist had to repeat a line.
One expert commissioned to examine the footage was reported as saying: “I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.”
However the company, which requested anonymity, did not reach a definitive answer.
It concluded: “No one is disputing that at some point an execution occurred.”

[TheDuke]

He certainly put some weight on while in captivity.....

[Elvis]

Have I missed the proof that Foley was actually killed? If there isn't any proof, then why are the experts, who say the video was staged, at the same time so quick and careful to assure everyone that Foley was in fact murdered?

Nordic -- thanks for starting this thread.

[8bitagent]

Wow, it took a team of experts to determine what some people on a conspiracy forum determined within hours? Bravo!

Right out of a damn movie.

What's in the box?


Regardless if Foley actually died or not, it's interesting how it was THIS video...not the 200,000 dead in Syria, not the ethnic cleansing of Iraqi minorities, etc that got the attention of the Obama administration.
Not that I'm in the least advocating intervention.

Ya know, last time I recall this many shark attack reports and a president who golfed like ALL THE TIME...bad shit went down. Aw fuguddit.

Just know if "ISIS" hijacks a Malaysia 777 plane, we'll have truly jumped the shark into a bigger sharks mouth.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... video.html

[Jerky]

I believe they have found the body, no?

I also think that the video was staged. Again, this doesn't mean Foley is still alive or anything. Just that the video we've seen is fake. This, after breaking down and watching it, after vowing never to do so again since Nick Berg, which I had to watch numerous times (to my soul's eternal detriment) in order to suss out some facts for myself.

More on that, later.

Jerky

[82_28]

I believe they have found the body, no?

I also think that the video was staged. Again, this doesn't mean Foley is still alive or anything. Just that the video we've seen is fake. This, after breaking down and watching it, after vowing never to do so again since Nick Berg, which I had to watch numerous times (to my soul's eternal detriment) in order to suss out some facts for myself.

More on that, later.

Jerky

Sadly, that was my whole fucking point which got lost in my endless details which actually didn't add up to much, just the question which either I or Nordic followed up on -- probably him. I took the easy route -- Nordic took the expert's route. I said impossible because of weather. Nordic said impossible due to the capabilites of CGI and shit/editing and whatever the fuck he does in LA . I thought upon seeing what have seen (I won't watch a severed head -- even if it didn't happen) that it was fake given the large maps of the snaking maps of ISIS's "push" and then just simply noticed the weather on the back page of the Seattle Times. Checked out Baghdad and said "impossible". No way. You're not gonna traverse thousands of miles and take over shit when it's 120 degrees from the back of a Toyota holding machine guns and shit up high and then have it suddenly "uploaded" to the US media as far as a graphic. Imfuckingpossible. All one needs to do is think of the requirements of a human in such heat.

Which, to me means all of this, while real, is also fake. Fuck me, I am trying to get an "angle" in order to predict what is up.

All I can think of is this is the point. We won't get a trophy, assholes. But we'll figure it out.

[RocketMan]

Wow, it took a team of experts to determine what some people on a conspiracy forum determined within hours? Bravo!

Right out of a damn movie.

What's in the box?


Regardless if Foley actually died or not, it's interesting how it was THIS video...not the 200,000 dead in Syria, not the ethnic cleansing of Iraqi minorities, etc that got the attention of the Obama administration.
Not that I'm in the least advocating intervention.

Ya know, last time I recall this many shark attack reports and a president who golfed like ALL THE TIME...bad shit went down. Aw fuguddit.

Just know if "ISIS" hijacks a Malaysia 777 plane, we'll have truly jumped the shark into a bigger sharks mouth.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... video.html

And murdered by a British rap artist with an affluent background? This is truly, to quote Dylan, Empire Burlesque.