James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

[justdrew]

German aid worker kidnapped by ISIS last year released unharmed

American journalist Theo Curtis freed by Islamic rebel group after two years

[divideandconquer]

Pondering...
If you have a planet where the psychopathic subspecies of humans have risen to positions of power, and that part of their condition (according to Ponerology) is that they are able to identify others like themselves, while the non-psychopathic are unable to - I wonder whether the fact that people here at RI are non-psychopathic places us in an extreme dis-advantage regarding the dynamics of how the world is working at the moment?
For all we know, there could be an unknown 'language' between psychopaths, whereby their own kind is advanced, even if they appear on opposite sides of religious / political / race / gender divides... reminded of when George Bush talked about looking into Putin's eyes...

I read Lobaczewski's Political Ponerology A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes and I think you hit the nail on the head. Intelligent people with psychopathic personality disorders naturally rise to positions of power because they are not afflicted with a conscience. These parasites don't care how many people they have to exploit, step on, injure, and maybe even murder to get ahead. And this infinitesimally small percentage of pathological elites have a disproportionally large influence on the minds of unaware humans. To understand these people is to understand the root cause of hell on earth.

Reality for psychopaths is whatever they declare it to be, and if that means conjuring up false evidence to convince others, so be it.

[Byrne]

Rapper identified as James Foley's executioner: reports
Date
August 24, 2014 - 11:54PM
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The hooded man with an English accent is believed to be 23-year-old Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, known to fellow Islamic State militants as Jihadi John.

The former rapper left his family home in an affluent west London suburb last year to fight in the civil war in Syria.
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Bary is the son of an Egyptian-born militant who is awaiting trial on terrorism in Manhattan, due to his alleged involvement in the bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Before leaving the family home to fight in Syria, Bary was an aspiring rapper known as L Jinny whose music was played on one of the UK's most popular radio stations, BBC Radio 1.

23-year-old Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary's dad is Adel Abdel-Bary, an Egyptian lawyer who has been in prison in the UK since July 1999 fighting extradition.

Adel Abdel Bary (& Ibrahim Eidarou) were accused of receiving key documents from Bin Laden associates at a west London fax bureau.

'London connection' to embassy bombings - War on terror
Times, The (London, England) - Saturday, November 24, 2001
Author: Dominic Kennedy and Daniel McGrory

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The most damning piece of evidence is a fax claiming responsibility for the US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 231 people. US prosecutors pinpointed what appear to be the fingerprints of Mr Eidarous and Mr Abdelbary on copies of the document, from the "Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places". The claim of responsibility, in Arabic, was allegedly sent to the Grapevine fax shop in Kilburn High Road. At the top of the sheets of paper, the time the fax was sent appears as between 4.54am and 4.56am on August 7, 1998.

The simultaneous bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam happened only around 10am local time. Unless the fax was sent from a line of longitude far west of London, the Egyptians must have been given advance notice of the carnage.

The pair, according to the United States, then helped to disseminate the claims of responsibility to media organisations in Paris, Qatar and Dubai.

The May 2001 appeal by Eidarous and Abdelbary against extradition to the USA in 2001 has the following case notes

Eidarous and Abdelbary v. Governor of H.M. Prison Brixton, and Government of the United States of America [2001] EWHC Admin 298 (2nd May, 2001)
Case No: CO/1736/2000 & CO/1729/2000
Neutral Citation Number: [2001] EWHC Admin 298

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION (DIVISIONAL COURT)
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Wednesday 2nd May 2001

1. These are applications [from Eidarous and Abdelbary] for writs of Habeas Corpus made in the context of extradition proceedings. On 7th August 1998 bombs were exploded at 2 United States embassies. As a result of the explosion in Nairobi 213 people died and 4500 were injured. As a result of the explosion in Dar es Salam 11 people died. The government of the United States contends that the bombings were but two overt acts committed in furtherance of a prolonged conspiracy to cause explosions and to murder United States citizens, including diplomats and other internationally protected persons, and that these applicants were active members of that conspiracy, in which a key figure was Usama Bin Laden. They were arrested at their London homes on 23rd September 1998 but were released without charge four days later. They were then held in relation to immigration matters until 9th July 1999. A man named Al Fawwaz, who was arrested on the same day, was kept in custody, and extradition proceedings were commenced against him. On 11th July 1999 the present applicants were arrested on a provisional arrest warrant, and were brought before the Metropolitan Magistrate at Bow Street Magistrates' Court. Since that date they have remained in custody.

The primary basis of the appeal by Eidarous and Abdelbary was that 'evidence' used against them for their arrest/continued detention was provided by an anonymous witnes CS/1 (who, according to the crown prosecution, was a member of Al Qaeda)!)

...

Issues

4. Before us Mr Mansfield QC for Eidarous and Mr Emmerson QC and Mr Knowles for Abdelbary have developed submissions as to -

"(1) Whether the magistrate was right to accept and admit as part of the government's case a statement from a witness whose identity was at that stage not revealed. He was simply referred to as CS/1.

(2) Whether the evidence before the magistrate was sufficient to meet the statutory test, properly applied.

(3) Whether the matter under consideration was sufficiently connected with the United States to found jurisdiction.

(4) Whether the magistrate's reasons, especially in relation to the issues of sufficiency, were adequate."

Admissibility of CS/1

5. CS/1 was an important source of background information. His statement reveals that from about 1989 to 1996 he was a member of Al Qaeda, an organisation founded by Bin Laden and that, like other members, he took an oath of allegiance or bayat pledging his loyalty to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. he explained that at the relevant time -

"The primary goal of Al Qaeda was to oppose through violence those governments that did not follow the group's view of Islam, including most notably the United States. To further this goal, Bin Laden would make use of front companies and organisations which he would use to conceal the activities of the group."

6. He [CS/1] also explained the command structure of Al Qaeda which included a Fatwah committee issuing Islamic law rulings, known as Fatwahs as to whether particular conduct was permitted or required under Islamic law. A source of concern to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was the United States military presence in Saudi Arabia and the Horn of Africa, including Somalia, and some Fatwahs called for a Jihad, or holy war, against Americans in those regions.

7. According to CS/1, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda did not only exhort. Al Qaeda used Port Sudan to import weapons and explosives, many of them under cover of Bin Laden's companies, and there were also attempts to obtain components for nuclear and chemical weapons.

8. Also, according to CS/1, Bin Laden on behalf of Al Qaeda formed a close operational relationship with other groups, one of which was Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) led by Ayman Al Zawahiri, and there was talk of attacking US forces in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the Horn of Africa.

9. CS/1 had personal knowledge of the fact that Al Fawwaz made bayat to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, and was a prominent figure in the organisation. Bin Laden put [Khalid] Al Fawwaz in charge of the body he created in London called the Advice and Reformation Committee, and faxes were then sent to him in London so that he could pass on orders and messages on behalf of Bin laden, including Fatwahs, one of which declared a Jihad based on Bin Laden's belief that for religious reasons it was unacceptable for US forces to be occupying the same land as the two Muslim holy places in Saudi Arabia. It thus became the obligation of faithful recipients of the Fatwah to remove the Americans by death or other means.

10. A different affidavit from CS/1 was tendered by the United States government in support of the application for the extradition of Al Fawwaz, and it was said then that it was necessary to omit the real name and place of residence of CS/1 in order to protect his/her identity and preserve his/her safety and that of his /her family because Al Qaeda may seek to cause harm to him/her for co-operating with the United States government. The magistrate admitted the affidavit in its anonymised form.

11. Neither affidavit from CS/1 referred to either of the present applicants [Eidarous and Abdelbary] by name, and by the time that the magistrate was considering the admissibility of the affidavit of CS/1 in these proceedings the United States government had been able to decide and confirm that the identity of CS/1 would be disclosed at the trial in the United States. It was clear from his affidavit that he had pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, and the magistrate concluded that "there must be a real risk of danger to CS/1 and any members of CS/1's family". The magistrate did not consider that there was any real risk of prejudice to the defence in proceedings before him in not knowing the true identity of CS/1 and that information would be available at trial in the event of extradition.

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http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2001/298.html

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So Adel Abdel-Bary has been in prison since July 1999 in the UK accused of links with Osama Bin Laden, however his son is given loadsa airplay on BBC Radio 1 !

CS/1 may be L'Houssaine Kherchtou, a Moroccan, whose name has been mentioned in reports re giving evidence for the state.

(A wee bit off topic, but I wanted to post the connection)

[The Consul]

“I wondered if sometimes the difference between a psychopath in Broadmoor and a psychopath on Wall Street was the luck of being born into a stable, rich family.”
― Jon Ronson, The Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry

[Hunter]

I have yet to read this whole thread, will so do as time permits, but the whole "organized gang" abducting him from Assad supporters, who are OUR enemies BTW, well, kind of stinks, I dont know a lot about his employer, GlobalPost or what story or stories he may have been working on, but could this "organized gang of thugs" have been working for Agencies XYZ and this was an attempt at silencing him? The whole thing has something of a Michael Hastings stench to it.

Again I havent read this whole thread so perhaps this has been discussed, confirmed or debunked already and if so, my apologies. It very well could be that I am reading too much in to things and connecting dots not meant to be connected and i so apologize, it is an old habit of mine and old habits die hard.

Last, I am sorry for his family, having recently lost a few close family members, it never gets easier and the pain never goes away as some mght have you believe.

[82_28]

I have yet to read this whole thread, will so do as time permits, but the whole "organized gang" abducting him from Assad supporters, who are OUR enemies BTW, well, kind of stinks, I dont know a lot about his employer, GlobalPost or what story or stories he may have been working on, but could this "organized gang of thugs" have been working for Agencies XZY and this was an attempt at silencing him>? The whole thing has something of a Michael Hastings stench to it.

Again I havent read this whole thread so perhaps this has been discussed, confirmed or debunked already and if so, my apologies. It very well could be that I am reading too much in to things and connecting dots not meant to be connected and i so apologize, it is an old habit of mine and old habits die hard.

Last, I am sorry for his family, having recently lost a few close family members, it never gets easier and the pain never goes away as some mght have you believe.

It has the Hastings mystery all over it. It is quite telling RE Hastings that computerized/networked cars have definitely come into focus more and more in the media since. Are they jumping the shark or are they putting on their super special "iron fist"? I intend on monitoring this forever.

[Hunter]

Remember when Nick Berg got his head cut off, and it turned out he has all sorts of connections to various and sundry agencies as well as the fact that one of the 9-11 hijackers had actually used his laptop, is that correct, my memory is not what it used to be.

[seemslikeadream]

Remember when Nick Berg got his head cut off, and it turned out he has all sorts of connections to various and sundry agencies as well as the fact that one of the 9-11 hijackers had actually used his laptop, is that correct, my memory is not what it used to be.

on page 3

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38370&start=15

Remember Nic Berg the WHITE PLASTIC CHAIR Britain's got one too

CRAZY TINFOILERS: What am I missing about the Berg beheading?

BERG MET WITH SHADY IRAQI (Berg's business partner was a Chalabi wannabe)

The Last Witness To Talk To Nick Berg Alive

[82_28]

What's with the cache of chopping heads off? Sure, freaky. But what is with it? A media covered chopped off head is stupid. As in Space Balls stupid. If you're going to chop motherfuckers' heads off, just do it and don't film and upload it if that was what you are going to do anyhow because, of course, you just do this shit all the time.

Seinfeld voice: PSYOP

[seemslikeadream]

Prisoners beheaded in Brazil jail riot

[8bitagent]

And now we have the Syrian regime almost begging the US to come in and take out ISIS. All indications point to the US finally getting militarily involved in Syria soon, as ISIS takes a major air base.
So what, the Islamic State now has an air force?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[8bitagent]

I believe they have found the body, no?

I also think that the video was staged. Again, this doesn't mean Foley is still alive or anything. Just that the video we've seen is fake. This, after breaking down and watching it, after vowing never to do so again since Nick Berg, which I had to watch numerous times (to my soul's eternal detriment) in order to suss out some facts for myself.

More on that, later.

Jerky

Sadly, that was my whole fucking point which got lost in my endless details which actually didn't add up to much, just the question which either I or Nordic followed up on -- probably him. I took the easy route -- Nordic took the expert's route. I said impossible because of weather. Nordic said impossible due to the capabilites of CGI and shit/editing and whatever the fuck he does in LA . I thought upon seeing what have seen (I won't watch a severed head -- even if it didn't happen) that it was fake given the large maps of the snaking maps of ISIS's "push" and then just simply noticed the weather on the back page of the Seattle Times. Checked out Baghdad and said "impossible". No way. You're not gonna traverse thousands of miles and take over shit when it's 120 degrees from the back of a Toyota holding machine guns and shit up high and then have it suddenly "uploaded" to the US media as far as a graphic. Imfuckingpossible. All one needs to do is think of the requirements of a human in such heat.

Which, to me means all of this, while real, is also fake. Fuck me, I am trying to get an "angle" in order to predict what is up.

All I can think of is this is the point. We won't get a trophy, assholes. But we'll figure it out.

Well look what whirlwind in just two years. We went from Obama saying Assad crossed a red line with alleged chemical weapon use, with the US approving Saudis pouring money and arms to the "rebels"...
now we have the Syrian regime pretty much begging the US to come in to take out ISIS, who now controls over half of Syria including today's capture of an air base. I mean what's going to happen next month?
al Qaeda pledging to help fight mortal enemies Iran, Israel and the West to stop ISIS? The powers that be and media are the ones who coined and use the term "ISIS", might as well call it Cthulhu now

[8bitagent]

Remember when Nick Berg got his head cut off, and it turned out he has all sorts of connections to various and sundry agencies as well as the fact that one of the 9-11 hijackers had actually used his laptop, is that correct, my memory is not what it used to be.

Yeah not only had be been seen with Zacharius "20th hijacker" Mossoui and had his emails on his laptop, but he was also seen hanging with Moussoui's roommate Melvin Lattimore AKA Mujahid Menepta...a man seen with Tim Mcveigh at the Dreamland motel in 1995 and whose credit cards were said to make bomb making purchases for the 1993 WTC plot. Zacharious Moussaoui took Mohammed Atta and Marwen al-Shehi to the same Dreamland motel Mcveigh stayed at, back in August of 2001.

Perhaps more disturbing is that Senator Paul Wellsone's plane co-pilot, who also died with the Senator in that crash, knew Moussaoui and had software as well on his laptop. Ive never seen anyone explain these coincidences.

[Nordic]

It's worth noting that the Foley 'video' was 'discovered' by Rita Katz's S.I.T.E. Institute SITE Intelligence Group, you know, the 'group' that happened to find all the Osama Bin Laden videos............

Middle East |​​NYT Now
Militant Group Says It Killed American Journalist in Syria
ISIS Video Purports to Show Beheading of James Foley
By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI AUG. 19, 2014

James Foley, in a photo from the website FreeJamesFoley.org, in Aleppo, Syria, in November 2012, the month he disappeared. Credit Nicole Tung, via Associated Press

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria posted a video on Tuesday that it said showed the beheading of James Foley, an American journalist who was kidnapped in Syria nearly two years ago, according to a transcript released by the SITE Intelligence Group.

The authenticity of the video, which was also posted on YouTube, could not be verified, and a telephone call placed to Mr. Foley’s family was not immediately returned. YouTube later took down the four-minute, 40-second video.

Titled “A Message to America,” the video shows the journalist kneeling in a desert landscape, clad in an orange jumpsuit — an apparent reference to the uniforms worn by prisoners at the American military detention camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Standing to his left is a masked ISIS fighter, who begins speaking in English, with what sounds like an East London accent. Pulling out a knife, he says that Mr. Foley’s execution is in retaliation for the recent American airstrikes ordered by President Obama against the extremist group in Iraq.
Photo

An image from a video posted by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, which the group said was the execution of James Foley. “I call on my friends, family and loved ones to rise up against my real killers — the U.S. government — for what will happen to me is only a result of their complacent criminality,” Mr. Foley says in the video, which was uploaded to the online account of the al-Furqan Media Foundation, according to SITE, an organization that follows jihadist groups. He ends saying that when American soldiers began dropping bombs on Iraq this month, “they signed my death certificate.”

On Tuesday night, Mr. Foley’s mother, Diane Foley, issued a statement on the Facebook page the family had created to publicize their son’s disappearance: “We have never been prouder of our son Jim. He gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people. We implore the kidnappers to spare the lives of the remaining hostages. Like Jim, they are innocents. They have no control over American government policy in Iraq, Syria or anywhere in the world.”
Two weeks ago, in the wake of American-led airstrikes against the terrorist group, which was fanning out across Iraq, jihadists had taken to social media to call for attacks on American interests. In the three hours after the graphic video of Mr. Foley’s beheading was uploaded on YouTube, jihadists using the hashtag “#NewMessageFromISIStoUS” surpassed 2,000 tweets, according to a survey by SITE, with many fighters gloating over his death, and calling it just retribution for the air raids.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/world/middleeast/isis-james-foley-syria-execution.html

& a good article on ISIS here: Isis ? What Crisis ?

What’s important is that the strategic objectives of Isis and those of the United States coincide.

Both entities seek greater political representation for Sunnis, both want to minimize Iranian influence in Iraq, and both support a soft partition plan that former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Leslie H. Gelb, called “The only viable strategy to correct (Iraq ‘s) historical defect and move in stages toward a three-state solution: Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shiites in the south.”

Bryne! You're on a roll!

Good stuff.

Just me chiming in.

This is reminding me of the good old days of RI, or maybe they never really went away, hell if I know ...

[justdrew]

I have yet to read this whole thread, will so do as time permits, but the whole "organized gang" abducting him from Assad supporters, who are OUR enemies BTW, well, kind of stinks, I dont know a lot about his employer, GlobalPost or what story or stories he may have been working on, but could this "organized gang of thugs" have been working for Agencies XYZ and this was an attempt at silencing him? The whole thing has something of a Michael Hastings stench to it.

Again I havent read this whole thread so perhaps this has been discussed, confirmed or debunked already and if so, my apologies. It very well could be that I am reading too much in to things and connecting dots not meant to be connected and i so apologize, it is an old habit of mine and old habits die hard.

Last, I am sorry for his family, having recently lost a few close family members, it never gets easier and the pain never goes away as some mght have you believe.

Foley was filing boilerplate anti-assad stories fully supportive of that Agenda

and yeah, at this point, I'm assuming Foley is alive and well and using a new identity.