James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

[justdrew]

worst barbers ever

[8bitagent]

There's this idea of ITS THE CIA!!!! vs ITS REAL LEGIT MUSLIM TERRORISTS! The same circular argument in the conspirasphere since the early 2000's.

Could it be that both the US government and "Islamists" are being played?

what if the US is also being hoodwinked?(not to take a thing away from the evil the US apparatus and alphabet agencies do)

Maybe thats why I butt heads with truthers...I think what evil is going on, thats winking at us, I think its above centcom general pay grades. And it has a dark sense of humor. "Hey if you thought four Crowley number planes flying into esoteric American heartbeat targets, -777 2008 dow drop and TWO missing malaysia 777 planes and oBama got oSama on May Day 2011 was a god damn kneeslapper...wait til you see what ISIS has in store! we call it...the aristocrats!"

[Nordic]

Personally I believe there are people out there who are very willing to commit atrocities for various political and religious reasons. Am guessing we can all agree on that. I think it comes down to who is committing the atrocity in question and if it falls under the category of violence or deception (or both).

If I play out various scenarios (ie the journalists are still alive), the problem with many of them is that they conclude with ISIS being fully owned and operated by various US agencies, and this requires too many leaps of faith and perhaps an over-estimation of US power/importance in the region. So I'm left with the belief that ISIS is likely an actual organization comprised of people who are violent and don't care for western ideology. (Difficult to imagine them all being actors or US special ops in disguise.)

It isn't an either/or situation.

The people who started ISIS and who run it now, are tools of the West. A great many, if not all, of the pawns they control, the members of their "Army" are likely "real" jihadists, i.e. dumbass zealots who think they're actually in a movement that means something real. What they really are is cannon fodder.

Like cannon fodder throughout history, they're just expendable, and in this case are patsies.

You always have to have patsies.

[BOOGIE66]

Notice in the video how Sotloff just kicks his legs and feet out making it easy for the "executioner" to lay him down, and no blood at all when that happens so it wasnt like he was dead. I cannot imagine not kicking and screaming at the point when the knife is put to the neck, it just doesnt jive with the reality of how any person would react to that situation.

Guess I'd say if it were fake, and designed to fool millions of people, you'd think they would have directed the dude to do a better acting job...

It wouldn't be made as a fake to fool millions of people. It doesn't need to. It only needs to fool the right people

To quote Dead Prez:

You can't fool all the people all of the time
But if you fool the right ones, then the rest will fall behind

[8bitagent]

Just saw that Rita Kats SITE woman on CNN...good lord that has to be the ugliest woman I've ever seen in my life.



I wonder if every time she wakes up, takes a shit, showers, or falls asleep shes muttering and babbling about al Qaeda, ISIS, jihadis, etc.
"terror experts" on cable news outlets are freaking hilarious and a special kind of, well special.

AND HOLY SHIT, BIN LADEN IS ALIVE!!!!

[8bitagent]

ISIS really is the perfect pretext. A group billed as the most ruthless, evil terrorist army of the modern era? A group that allegedly al Qaeda says is too dangerous?
A group senators like Dianne Feinstein have said it may be good for the US to team up with Iran to take them on? Its perfect as it gets even the
most anti war leftist to go "hmm, well maybe this time war may be the answer...I mean even Obama has been reluctant but has been persuaded because of their
evil threat!" You don't even really need a big 9/11 like event at this point. But boy, would that seal the deal to get everyone gung ho for the US to go into Syria.

Anyways, on the eve of Obama's big "ISIS" address to the nation...sure is a sharp uptick in items about shark attacks/near shark attacks on CNN in the last month.
And sometimes I wonder if Obama unintentionally or consciously is playing into certain trope expectations.
So much golfing...so so much golfing. He even apologized about all the golfing this summer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... s-theater/

"Part of this job is also the theater of it," Obama said

[stickdog99]

Just wondering how you managed put Diane Feinstein and anti-war leftist in the same paragraph. War profiteer, yes. Anti-war leftist, no.

[Nordic]

Sotloff, in happier times.





http://www.globalresearch.ca/photo-twee ... es/5399576

[Hunter]

Danish Muslim poses with severed heads on fence posts, what do you think, are these heads real? This is making the rounds at reddit.

WARNING GRAPHIC

http://tundratabloids.com/2014/07/dutch ... -post.html

He apparently posted a bunch of these on his FB today.

[Nordic]

Danish Muslim poses with severed heads on fence posts, what do you think, are these heads real? This is making the rounds at reddit.

WARNING GRAPHIC

http://tundratabloids.com/2014/07/dutch ... -post.html

He apparently posted a bunch of these on his FB today.

They don't look real to me at all. Looks like Halloween decorations. Did it come early this year?

This is just getting silly IMHO.

[8bitagent]

New CNN poll finds majority of Americans believe ISIS is the biggest threat to the US and has active cells here.
www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/politics/cnn-pol ... ?hpt=hp_t1

What I was mentioning earlier was not that I think people like Dianne Feinstein constitute leftists now supporting outright military use, but that every day people who identify as liberals
I'm seeing more and more supporting US engaging in a long term military operation in Iraq and Syria.

To use a word PKD came up with, "Operation Mindfuck". And I believe the mindfuckery has barely begun.

[elfismiles]

To use a word PKD came up with, "Operation Mindfuck". And I believe the mindfuckery has barely begun.

Clarification ... not PKD but RAW / KWT and Discordianism:

Operation Mindfuck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mindfuck
Operation Mindfuck or OM is an important practice in the Discordian religion. The concept was developed by Kerry Thornley and Robert Anton Wilson in 1968 ...

Robert Anton Wilson & Operation Mindfuck
By Jesse Walker on August 21, 2013 in News
http://disinfo.com/2013/08/robert-anton ... -mindfuck/
[Disinfo ed.'s note: The following is an excerpt from Jesse Walker's new book, The United States of Paranoia: A Conspiracy Theory. The excerpt is part of the chapter "Operation Mindfuck" and focuses on the role of the Discordian Pope, Robert Anton Wilson.]

[seemslikeadream]

Rude Pundit

Torture Apologist Marc Thiessen: Bush Was "Right" About Something He Was Totally Wrong About
No, no, no, no, no, and fuck no, Marc Thiessen, torture advocate and Washington Post columnist. You don't get to fucking write something fucking titled, "George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout." You don't get to fucking say that fucking George fucking Bush can say, "I told you so" about anything having to do with Iraq. Just because every night you sit with a cocked pistol in your mouth, trying to think of reasons not to pull the trigger, it does not give you the fucking right to fucking rewrite history, you simpering, shit-sucking, soulless son of a bitch, and by "bitch," the Rude Pundit means your fucking mother.

Thiessen smugly thinks that Bush gets to be smug because in a July 12, 2007 news conference, Bush warned about all kinds of terrible shit that would happen if the United States withdrew troops from Iraq. "It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan," Bush said. So Thiessen then gleefully lists the ways that Iraq has turned into a hellhole compared to the paradise of figs and pussy it would have been had the United States not withdrawn.

If Bush had quit right then and there, if he had finished that press conference and said, "Fuck ya'll, I'm done," well, motherfuck, Thiessen might have a point.

But our national anal rape by George W. Bush still had another year-and-a-half to go, and, goddamn, if things didn't change in late 2008. That was when, in November, Iraq's parliament passed a Status of Forces Agreement that said that American troops had to get the fuck out by the end of 2011. But don't take the Rude Pundit's word for it. Here's what the actual agreement said: "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." Oh, and "The United States recognizes the sovereign right of the Government of Iraq to request the departure of the United States Forces from Iraq at any time."

You know who praised the vote? George motherfuckin' Bush, who said, "Today’s vote affirms the growth of Iraq’s democracy and increasing ability to secure itself. Two years ago this day seemed unlikely — but the success of the surge and the courage of the Iraqi people set the conditions for these two agreements to be negotiated and approved by the Iraqi Parliament."

You know who signed the agreement? George motherfuckin' Bush. In a joint appearance in Baghdad with then-President Nouri al-Maliki in December 2008, Bush said, "We're also signing a Security Agreement, sometimes called a Status of Forces Agreement. The agreement provides American troops and Defense Department officials with authorizations and protections to continue supporting Iraq's democracy once the U.N. mandate expires at the end of this year. This agreement respects the sovereignty and the authority of Iraq's democracy. The agreement lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq -- a withdrawal that is possible because of the success of the surge."

Yeah, Bush was acting like this was the last great thing he would do before leaving for his painting career, like a Hitler in reverse. He continued, "With these agreements, Mr. Prime Minister, we're honoring the sacrifices that I just described in the best possible way -- by building a freer, safer, and more hopeful world. By signing these agreements we're showing the people of Iraq the United States of America keeps its word. And we are showing the people of the Middle East that America stands firmly for liberty and justice and peace."

Finally, yes, oh, goddamn, Bush said something that was completely and utterly the opposite of that 2007 quote that Thiessen parades around with like a toddler boy with hard-on: "And we are leaving the next President with a stable foundation for the future, and an approach that can enjoy broad bipartisan support at home." You got that? No horror, no terrorist safe havens. Stability. Bush signed the agreement that withdrew the troops, and he said everything was on the road to cool now.

It doesn't get any fucking clearer than that. The troops came home because Bush signed off on it. President Obama would have violated a signed agreement and the word of the United States if he hadn't withdrawn all troops (even if he tried to negotiate a force to remain behind). If there is chaos in Iraq now, it's because of Bush.

By the way, the point of this is not that the troops should have stayed in Iraq. The point is that we shouldn't have been there in the first place. That's what Bush and Thiessen are totally, utterly, unforgivably wrong about

[Nordic]

“The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology.” -- Michael Parenti



And .....


"The real danger we face is not from terrorism but what is being done under the pretext of fighting it."

[Tyler Rabbit]

Yes there's definitely mindfuckery going on..
If I make the point that if the video was US made, then it should have been more realistic and gory- then I can counter my own argument, with "well if it was made by ISIS, it should have been more realistic and gory.."
To me the ideas that:
1) "they" want it to look fake cuz they're testing us or laughing at our gullibility doesn't really hold. If you're going to do propaganda, why not do it convincingly. There's nothing to be gained from doing it poorly..
2) it was edited and toned down by whoever made it so it would achieve better media penetration - I don't get this one either, because even if it was released unedited, outlets could edit it. Again, if you're going to make a statement, why not really make it stick!?

So, I haven't come to any absolute conclusions. My point was mainly that there's no way to tell for certain if it's real of fake based solely on analysis of the video itself.

Nordic, curious what looks fake to you about the Dutch dude and his head collection. There are more images of the same dude with other heads. Do those look fake too? Scared to ask what a "real" severed head looks like...