Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby jingofever » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:07 am

Nordic » 08 Jan 2015 09:05 wrote:Remind anyone of some other attack?

Police found an ID document of Said Kouachi at the scene of the shooting, CNN affiliate BFMTV reported. "It was their only mistake," said Dominique Rizet, BFMTV's police and justice consultant, reporting that the discovery helped the investigation.

Fucking hell, I was willing to believe the first, what with all sorts of papers littering the area, but to reuse that story here grinds my gears and makes me somewhat skeptical.

I "googled" "charlie hebdo id" and the Google served me an image of Mark Zuckerberg. "charlie hebdo id card" served up a relevant result.

Here is Banksy's response which I found completely independently of this website:

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:31 am

Sheesh. They left their ID's in the getaway car? Did they obscure their faces while doing the act? (I don't know because a lot of this stuff, I don't care to look at.)


It looks like 'mafia' action to intimidate the French for recent indiscretions. Like beating up Harry Reid, but less personal.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby semper occultus » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:54 am

...what did you have in mind ...kicking up a fuss about their budget...?
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Postby IanEye » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:54 am

jingofever » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:22 am wrote:You can usually safely assume that somebody who names himself 'Nordic' is antisemitic.
I do not believe that is the case with our Nordic but maybe solace does not know that.




I certainly have negative keyword associations with the word Nordic.

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Our Nordic is very cranky. Which means he fits right in here.

He does not appear to like Zionism, who can blame him?

Not all Zionists are Jews.

Chances are, not all al Qaeda are Muslim.



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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby elfismiles » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:28 am

Yeah, cuz letting everyday folks accuse their neighbors of something works so well ... didn't we already do that to great effect in Iraq and Afghanistan, sending innocent sheep herders to Abu Ghraib in the like?

Kinda like SWATting your enemies here in the Statese...

justdrew » 08 Jan 2015 07:24 wrote:well, one way nations subject to drone strikes could accelerate the end of those strike, would be to help identify, capture or kill terrorist organizations operating in those countries.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby elfismiles » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:37 am

18YO Charlie Hebdo Suspect Surrenders to Police, Claims to Have Alibi
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150108/1016647433.html

U.S. Officials Claim French Authorities Killed One Suspect, Arrested Two Others in Charlie Hebdo Attack
Working class background of suspects does not explain professional military performance
by Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com | January 7, 2015
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:41 am

The 18-year-old suspect who surrendered to the French police after his name started doing the rounds in the Charlie Hebdo shooting case, is finding support among his classmates who claim he was not involved in the dastardly attack and was in class with them.

Mourad Hamyd surrendered himself after reportedly seeing his name circulating on the media, but some reports now suggest that he had only gone to the police to clarify that he was in school at the time of the attack.

Hamyd, reportedly a student at a high school in Charleville-Mezieres near Reims has been named as one of the three suspects who attacked Charlie Hebdo office, along with two brothers - Said Kouachi and Cherif Kouachi.

Authorities claimed that Hamyd, the youngest suspect, drove the car in which the attackers fled after the shooting and was identified by an ID card left behind in the abandoned car, but many netizens have voiced the possibility of a possible decoy.

Now, several of Hamyd's classmates are defending him on social media, with the hastag #MouradHamydInnocent trending on Twitter in France.

The translated French tweets have messages that read: "What is this madness, the Mourad Hamyd was with me this morning" and "Mourad Hamyd wrongly accused, he was in class at the time of the facts, his classmates can attest."

Some of the other messages on Twitter, as translated on storify.com are as follows:

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"This guy spends his day in class, and he is guilty of an attack."

"He was in me high school, I saw that smile this morning as usual. He would never Please support."


http://www.ibtimes.co.in/18-yr-old-susp ... ent-619690

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby elfismiles » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:52 am

Paris terror suspects reportedly spotted in northern France, police flood scene
Published January 08, 2015 · FoxNews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/08 ... -at-large/

Youngest Suspect in Charlie Hebdo Attack Turns Himself In, 2 Others Sought
Jan 7, 2015, 9:19 PM ET
http://abcnews.go.com/International/you ... d=28050771

Paris police shooting: Live updates
Jan 08, 2015 14:21
By Andy Lines, Chris Richards, Steve Robson, Margot Huysman
At least one suspect fled the scene near Porte de Chatillon in the south of the city and is being hunted by police
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... es-4939351

Suspect Killed and Two in Custody, in Paris Terror Attack (Video)
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Paris Attack Suspect Dead, Two in Custody, US Officials Say
NBCNews.com‎ - 15 hours ago
One of the suspects in the Paris attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine has been killed and the two others are in custody, two senior U.S. ...

Confusion as French Hunt Magazine Attack Suspects
By Pete Williams
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris- ... ts-n281761

FLASHBACK...

French Muslims flock to, from Iraq's battlefields
Trial highlights fear that radicalized youths will turn training into terror
updated 3/30/2008 11:20:21 PM ET

PARIS — Boubakeur el Hakim traded his Paris neighborhood of boulangeries and halal butcher shops for the insurgent camps of Iraq. When he came home, he told his war stories to other young men on the forgotten edges of French society, allegedly persuading some to follow in his footsteps.

His younger brother did, and died fighting U.S. forces.

After years of investigation by French authorities, el Hakim, 24, went on trial this month in a case exposing how the Iraq war has sucked radical youths from Europe to a battlefield where they have learned skills that officials fear may one day be used in domestic terror attacks.

Along with four other young Frenchmen, a Moroccan and an Algerian, el Hakim is accused of funneling French Muslim fighters to Iraq. All the Frenchmen except suspected ringleader Farid Benyettou, 26, have acknowledged going to Iraq or planning to go. All deny inciting others to go.

All seven men are accused of criminal association with a terrorist enterprise, a vague charge that carries a maximum 10-year sentence, though the prosecutor only asked for between three and eight years.

Balancing act across Europe

The case is a delicate one in France, which strongly opposed the U.S.-led campaign in Iraq but has long struggled against homegrown terrorism. It also highlights a dilemma in many European nations with growing Muslim populations: Cracking down hard risks alienating or radicalizing moderate Muslims and betraying western ideals of tolerance.

The suspected nucleus of the network, janitor-turned-street preacher Benyettou, told the court the case against him was "fantasy" and an affront to his freedom of speech. He told the judge he had served only as a friendly ear to young people in his neighborhood, answering questions about Islam that went ignored by France's secular schools and institutions.

In one interrogation session with anti-terrorist agents, however, Benyettou said: "I taught that suicide attacks are legitimate under Islam."

"Jihad is justified," he said in another session in the days following his January 2005 arrest, according to the depositions viewed by The Associated Press.

El Hakim described placing and detonating roadside bombs with equipment that resembled a cordless phone, the transcript of one deposition says. He claimed 10 American troops were killed in the last three operations he took part in, it says.

In a French radio interview broadcast from Baghdad in 2003, he urged Parisian friends to join him on the battlefields. "I'm ready to set off dynamite and boom! Boom! We kill all the Americans!" he said on RTL radio.

In court, while he didn't deny his radio appeal, el Hakim said some of his statements to police were made under duress and that his role in Iraq was primarily "humanitarian."

Going it alone

Investigators say the alleged network funneled about a dozen French fighters to camps linked to al-Qaida in Iraq head Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and sought to send more before he was killed in a U.S. airstrike in 2006. At least seven French insurgents have died, some in suicide bombings, police say.

The classified case file could fill a suitcase. It includes transcripts of taped phone conversations; suspects' family trees; extremist Islamic sermons; excerpts from a Web site explaining how to use Kalashnikov rifles; and grainy images of dozens of people questioned in the case.

Since the group was dismantled in 2005, young French Muslims wanting to fight abroad have largely steered clear of such organized cells, according to a senior French police official not authorized to be named publicly because of agency policy. Instead, youths are heading to war zones individually, to better avoid detection.

The key concern for French police is not where the fighters go but what they do when they come back to France, home to Europe's largest Muslim population, nearly 10 percent of its 62 million people.

Case tinged with terror fears

There has been no mention in the Paris trial of any plan to attack French sites, but officials say they remain worried about the possibility — and that fear bolsters the prosecutor's case.

The so-called 19th arrondissement network is named for the Paris district where it was based, a multi-national neighborhood where families with roots in one-time French colonies in North Africa crowd into housing projects that rise above street markets offering Moroccan melons and pungent French cheese.

Frustration among youth of immigrant backgrounds over discrimination and bleak job prospects helped fuel riots in suburban housing projects around France in 2005. That same frustration, defense lawyer Dominique Many said, pushes some toward Islamic extremism.

Benyettou practiced a strict Salafist interpretation of Islam, and enjoyed credibility among radicals because his brother-in-law was a convicted member of an Algerian insurgency movement.

Benyettou exhibited little charisma during the trial, his gaunt frame hunched on the bench, occasionally brushing back his chest-length hair or nudging up his oversized glasses.

Motivated by Abu Ghraib?

But back in the 19th arrondissement, he persuaded — by his own admission to investigators — about 10 young people to leave France for Iraq. In court, he acknowledged he had had "a role" in helping fighters who wanted to go to Iraq, but said there was no organized network.

"I really believed in the idea," said one of his students, defendant Cherif Kouachi, 25. He said he was motivated by his outrage at television images of torture of Iraqi inmates at the U.S. prison at Abu Ghraib.

Another alleged member of the group, Peter Cherif, was arrested by U.S. authorities and his mother says he was held in Abu Ghraib. He faces a separate trial in France.


Another, 25-year-old Mohammed El Ayouni, who lost an arm and an eye in 2004 in a U.S. tank shelling near Fallujah, described administering IVs and shots to injured fighters and keeping watch for American troops. He said Iraqi families welcomed the French fighters, preparing their meals and laundering their clothes.

The fighters said they traveled through Syria first, taking Arabic lessons and getting basic weapons training.

When Boubakeur's brother Redouane el Hakim was killed in July 2004 — found in an insurgent hideout in Fallujah bombarded by U.S. forces — his mother organized a memorial celebration of her son's martyrdom, according to court documents and two defense lawyers on the case.

It was American authorities who first confirmed the presence of French citizens among Iraqi insurgents, judicial documents show.

Other European countries have also fed fighters to Iraq.

Two men considered linked to Europe's deadliest Islamic terror attack, the 2004 bombings in Madrid, are believed to have later killed themselves in suicide attacks in Iraq. Spanish authorities have arrested dozens of people suspected of recruiting Islamic fighters for the Iraq insurgency.

Italian courts have convicted several North Africans of recruiting militants for Iraq in Italy in recent years.

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Elihu » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:05 am

It's been snowing tonight in Gaza. More will die there of hypothermia tonight than died in Paris today.

you know nothing of advertising and marketing. this is called product positioning.

well, one way nations subject to drone strikes could accelerate the end of those strike, would be to help identify, capture or kill terrorist organizations operating in those countries.
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*sound of finger snapping* this word is a note pealing from the pied piper's flute fyi. if you want to set off a resonance within the military industrial advertising political complex, insist upon a definition. one that remains the same. and spread the word.

black suits black car casual filming casual demeanor casual drive off. george clooney and brad pitt in dinner jackets and ties. kinda like the guns the "muslims" don't have, western media explodes the story in five minutes. good thing for the "jihad". confounds the movie-going public. knew where the meeting was and who was there burst into the wrong office apologized and asked where's the guy i want to kill? down the hall, thanks. sorry u had to see that blood on my hands usually doesn't happen with rifles. id dropped in the car? hey lucas, you had to invent jarjar bigs didn't you?

ah this is life in western civ, the pinnacle of mankind's developed society. i can't wait till the war is won. it's gonna be great! to be continued....
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Nordic » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:43 am

UPDATE, 8:08 PM: NBC News is partially copping to its mistake of earlier today when it reported that one of the suspects in the Paris attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo had been killed and two others were taken into custody NBC News logo – neither of which occurred. In a statement tonight, the organization is putting the responsibility on the shoulders of its American government sources. “NBC News issued an earlier report based on intelligence from two consistently reliable U.S. counterterrorism officials in different government agencies,” an NBC News spokesperson tells Deadline. “As soon as it became evident that our sources doubted their information, we immediately updated our reporting across all platforms and continue to do so as this fast-moving story unfolds.” Noticeably, the network news unit did not address its own judgment in the matter of the reporting.



Another link regarding what elfismiles posted above. NBC is now admitting they got "wrong" information from their US gov't sources. Maybe something didn't play out as scripted?

http://deadline.com/2015/01/charlie-heb ... 201343807/
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:51 am

Paris Terrorist was Radicalized by Bush’s Iraq War, Abu Ghraib Torture
By Juan Cole | Jan. 8, 2015 |


By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) —
Sharif and Said Kouashi, the two brothers for whom the French police are searching, were born in Paris of Algerian parents, Mokhtar et Freiha Méguireche, according to a profile published by Le Monde. Said was born in 1980. Sharif was born in 1982. The brothers were poor and unemployed. Sharif did not finish school. The Kouashi brothers sometimes delivered pizza to make a little money. They were involved in petty crime as teenagers.
Then in early 2003 at the age of 20, Sharif Kouashi and his brother Said started attending the al-Da`wa Mosque in the Stalingrad quarter. They had showed up with long hair, smoking, and lots of bad habits. The mosque gave them a sense of purpose. Sharif told his later lawyer, “Before, I was a delinquent.”
One member of the congregation at the al-Da`wa Mosque was Farid Benyettou. He was only a year older than Sharif, but was learned in Muslim texts, and taught informal classes at his apartment after prayers at the mosque. The boys began spending time with Benyettou. They stopped smoking, stopped getting high. At his apartment, Benyettou took them on the internet, and showed them images from Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq. Sharif said, “It was everything I saw on the television, the torture at Abu Ghraib prison, all that, which motivated me.”
Benyettou ran a recruitment ring targeting young French Muslims that sent them to fight US troops in Iraq. They jogged in a park to get in shape and got rudimentary training in how to handle a Kalashnikov semi-automatic. They would tell their families that they were going to study in Syria. And they would spend some time in hard line Salafi schools. But then they would slip across the border into Iraq.
Sharif was about to go to Iraq in 2005, himself, to fight Bush’s troops there (which he saw as aggressive foreign occupiers), but he and a friend were arrested and interrogated by the French police.
In 2008 he and three others were tried as members of the 19th Arondissement Cell, on charges of funneling a dozen young French Muslims into Iraq from 2003 to 2005 (one ended up in Falluja). They typically joined al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia, then headed by the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. There had been no al-Qaeda in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, whose secret police issued an APB for Zarqawi in summer, 2002. Bush’s invasion and occupation led to the founding of ‘al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia.’
Sharif Kouashi was sentenced to 3 years but only served about 18 months.
When he got out, Sharif Kouashi became involved around 2010 in a plot to break Ismail Ait Ali Belqasim, a notorious Muslim fundamentalist, out of prison. Belqasim was a member of the Algerian Armed Islamic Group, an al-Qaeda affiliate that Usama Bin Laden supported from Sudan, and was responsible for a 1995 bombing of the French Metro (subway).
At some point after 2011, the Kouashi brothers went to Syria to fight the regime of Bashar al-Assad (which the French government also said it wanted to see overthrown). They are said to have returned this summer. Given their past with Zarqawi, they might have been fighting for Daesh (ISIS or ISIL). But since it was kicked out of al-Qaeda, it is also possible that they fought with another group, perhaps Jabhat al-Nusra, the main al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria.
They also may have had experience in, or contacts in, Yemen. Sharif told someone at the scene of the crime that it was done by ‘al-Qaeda in Yemen.’ That would be al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the most active affiliate in attempting to pull off operations in the West. It was behind the 2009 underwear bombing attempt over Detroit.
Without Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq, it is not at all clear that Sharif Kouachi would have gotten involved in fundamentalist vigilanteism. And if he hadn’t, he would not have gone on to be a point man in murdering out the staff of Charlie Hebdo along with two policemen.
Iraq is a major Arab, Muslim country. Its capital, Baghdad, is special to Sunni Muslims because the Abbasid empire built it and ruled from it. Having American troops occupy it for 8 years, humiliate its citizens, shoot people at checkpoints, and torture people in military prisons was a very bad idea. Some people treated that way become touchy, and feel put down, and won’t take slights to their culture and civilization any longer. Maybe the staff at Charlie Hebdo would be alive if George W. Bush and Richard Bruce Cheney hadn’t modeled for the Kouashi brothers how you take what you want and rub out people who get in your way.




No, the magazine in question did not "equally" mock Muslims and Jews and others. This is like the way Islam is mocked by Bill Maher and others in the US: they don't hold the same standards. They reserve a special bitter and vicious streak against Islam and Muslims, and remember that France is not a country of absolute freedom of speech. You can go to jail in France and pay a fine if you offend Jewish people by mocking, say, the Holocaust. I believe that either there should be laws to protect the feelings of all religions, or--I prefer--there should not be protection whatsoever. IF there are idiots and bigots who want to offend Jews and Muslims they should be allowed to make fool of themselves.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:08 pm

Le Mans- Several grenades were thrown into the courtyard of a mosque in the French city of Le Mans. One of the grenades exploded, but no injuries were reported.

Four training grenades were thrown onto the property. According to sources, three of the unexploded grenades were discovered by police. Police have cordoned off the mosque and so far no arrests have been made.


No other details on this that I can find.

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby elfismiles » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:24 pm

Wasn't the beheader / executioner Jihadi John a rapper?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fOJuXdhKto

VIDEO>>> Terrorist Cherif Kouachi Rap Video – Brothers Smoked Dope, Were Petty Criminals
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, January 8, 2015, 9:22 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01 ... criminals/

Charlie Hebdo Killers Brandish Rocket Launcher- GAS STATION ROBBED- Female Police Officer Killed
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, January 8, 2015, 7:45 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01 ... o-killers/

Third French Police Officer Killed As Terror Suspects Reportedly Spotted
January 8, 2015 9:15 AM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/01/ ... y-spotted/

The Independent reports that one of the officers killed, 42-year-old Ahmed Merabet, was Muslim. He is believed to be the officer who was executed in the street as he was pleading for his life.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby semper occultus » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:34 pm




......sorry.....back up to speed now.....


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