Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

[RocketMan]

Apparently both sieges are over and all the suspects dead. Happily no casualties among the hostages, it seems.

[82_28]

I'm watching CBS and the mention of "Kosher" is totally in play (not just a grocery store -- not just a deli). Still calling false flag as for myself. There are so many mindfucks in this. Someone skeptical, rigorous, intuitive etc thinks this is deffo FF.

Now comes the "action" as to what "we're going to do about this". We shall see.

[82_28]

TERROR SUSPECTS DEAD?!?!? Well, time to get the Wurlitzer churning out its "toon". Boston seems to be a "dry run" for whipping out this shit as a test bed. I don't like this one bit.

[RocketMan]

It seems I was unfortunately prematurely happy about there not being casualties... apparently at least one hostage in the kosher shop was killed and others are in critical condition.

[MacCruiskeen]

Oops, butterfingers, both terrorists dead, tut-tut, quel dommage! Well, that scuppers any chance of interrogating either of them for even the slightest scrap of information about their allies, supporters, preparations, motivations, spook connections, etc, and it also means they will never stand trial in open court before a jury of their peers, which is of course the kind of thing Western Civilization is famed for and which distinguishes Us from Them.

It's amazing how often those highly-trained élite sharpshooting Anti-Terrorist Special Forces manage to achieve precisely this kind of result.

[slimmouse]

Oops, butterfingers, both terrorists dead, tut-tut, quel dommage! Well, that scuppers any chance of interrogating either of them for even the slightest scrap of information about their allies, supporters, preparations, motivations, spook connections, etc, and it also means they will never stand trial in open court before a jury of their peers, which is of course the kind of thing Western Civilization is famed for and which distinguishes Us from Them.

It's amazing how often those highly-trained élite sharpshooting Anti-Terrorist Special Forces manage to achieve precisely this kind of result.

I think you're just being cynical Mac. These guys had their trial duriing this entire episode. They were identified as being Alqueada, by their Allah Akbar chanting and stuff, one of them left his ID card in a taxi, sorry getaway car, as they very clinically carried out an operation, apparently in the name of Alllah.

"why even bother taking them alive" is probably what most will think ?

Mission accomplished - State of tension high.

[NaturalMystik]

'Hacktivist' group Anonymous says it will avenge Charlie Hebdo attacks by shutting down jihadist websites

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sites.html

[MacCruiskeen]

"why even bother taking them alive" is probably what most will think ?

Yup. The Guardian's comments boxes will be packed full of that kind of considered response. The brainless brutality and the self-glorifying sanctimoniousness ("Je suis Charlie") go comfortably hand-in-hand.

Incidentally, I may as well be the first to say it: Charlie Hebdo is humour for the humourless. Every title page I've ever seen (I've never bought or read the rag) has been about as amusing as a drone strike on a wedding party. Abysmally bad drawing combined with abysmally bad thinking. And (inevitably...) peppered with exclamation marks so that even the most clueless dope realises IT'S A JOKE!!!

Here's one of the few admirable responses I've seen so far, from Joe Sacco, a real artist:



ON EDIT: I should give the Guardian credit for publishing that:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-int ... he-attacks

[Cedars of Overburden]

Just had to help my boss calm down from the righteous shouting match she just had in a local lunch joint with a guy who wanted to "round them (Muslims) all up."

I have a nicer boss now than that bitch I used to work for. Evilly, I'm kind of glad that I am no longer the fool who actually gets into shouting matches with the local evil ones.

See ya later. Maybe I'll post again in a year or two.

[Lord Balto]

Well check this out. One of the shooters just happened to absent-mindedly drop his ID at the scene.

Remind anyone of some other attack?

Police found an ID document of Said Kouachi at the scene of the shooting, CNN affiliate BFMTV reported. "It was their only mistake," said Dominique Rizet, BFMTV's police and justice consultant, reporting that the discovery helped the investigation.

9/11 was 14 years ago this year. Ancient history. It can be assumed people are forgetful.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europ ... e-gunfire/


Signed,
Nordic, your friendly local antisemite

Hat tip to Cryptogon.com

Don't forget James Earl Ray, another expert at shooting through tree limbs like Oswald, who supposedly dropped a gym bag full of incriminating evidence on the sidewalk before fleeing the scene of the King assassination.

[Lord Balto]

There's all sorts of interesting things that have happened around the date of the attack to flare up some hilarious apophenia, just by looking at Wikipedia. I bring up this topic of dates as somewhat of a lark, but also because I know that from my limited knowledge, nationalists tend to be big on traditions and anniversaries. It has to be something quite specific.

All I can come up with is the Christian Epiphany feast - Germany (of very recent right-wing racist rally notoriety) has January 6 as a public holiday. It's also the birthday of Joan of Arc.

Some members here will obviously be far more knowledgeable about this, I'm just an interloper:

The 600-year struggle for the soul of Joan of Arc

05 January 2012

Almost six centuries after she was burnt by the English, President Nicolas Sarkozy will lead a commando operation tomorrow to free Joan of Arc from captivity.

Not from English captivity but from her status as a foreigner-bashing, official heroine of the French far right. Friday marks the 600 anniversary of Joan’s birth. Mr Sarkozy will take time out from rescuing the French and European economies to attend a series of events in her native village of Domrémy-la-Pucelle in the Vosges. He will also visit Vaucouleurs in Meuse, where Joan or Jeanne or Jehanne (1412-1431) spent the early part of her brief career as a religious visionary and resistance leader.

The xenophobic National Front adopted Jeanne d’Arc as an icon of ultra-nationalism two decades ago. The NF will celebrate her 600 birthday with an open-air rally led by the party’s leader Marine Le Pen and its founder, Jean-Marie Le Pen, in Paris on Saturday.

(Jan. 6, 2015 is also apparently the 100th anniversary of the birth of both Alan Watts and John Lilly! Er... off topic!)

I haven't gotten to the end of this thread yet, so forgive me if someone else has already figured this out, but January 6 is Armenian Christmas. And January 7 in the current Gregorian calendar is December 25 in the Julian calendar, hence Christmas in countries who stick to the earlier calendar for religious celebrations. Did Hebdo post a cartoon about wishing somebody a Happy New Year? Egads!

[Lord Balto]

Oops, butterfingers, both terrorists dead, tut-tut, quel dommage! Well, that scuppers any chance of interrogating either of them for even the slightest scrap of information about their allies, supporters, preparations, motivations, spook connections, etc, and it also means they will never stand trial in open court before a jury of their peers, which is of course the kind of thing Western Civilization is famed for and which distinguishes Us from Them.

It's amazing how often those highly-trained élite sharpshooting Anti-Terrorist Special Forces manage to achieve precisely this kind of result.

Ever since Ruby killed Tippit and Oswald, anyone who knows too much is immediately disposed of. Don't want anybody blabbing the names and nationalities of their handlers. Someone might get it into their little politician brains to hang the bastards.

[Wombaticus Rex]

'Hacktivist' group Anonymous says it will avenge Charlie Hebdo attacks by shutting down jihadist websites

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sites.html

Yeah, all those severed heads and limbs, raped and murdered children, just wasn't that offensive ... but boy, you fuck with cartoonists...

[alan ford]

“We all shook hands and my client told me to leave.” Didier added that the man he took to be the policeman said: “Go, we don’t kill civilians”. He added “I thought was strange.”

WTF? Who were the people they killed? The fucken foreign legion?

That said I'm kind of ambivalent about all this. French euro supremacists hanging bigoted shit on Muslims, many of whom they colonised, ripped off and shat on for centuries and who make up the poorest most marginalised section of French society ... then the whole world gives them sympathy after a couple of the 1.6 billion people they regularly insulted in the most offensive way possible snap and kill them. Your right to provoke people as much as you possibly can then expect them to have more self control than you did when provoking them doesn't actually exist, dead French douchebags.

I would like to point to a logical fallacies you comited in your posts , this makes your arguments weak and/or not valid:

1. You are saying "French douchebags" - first offence: using dergatory , offensive term (douchebags ) in connection with someone is often first step in de-humanizing the other side, therefore paving way to devoid your opponent of human qualities and making them less worth than "us".

Second offence is you are implying it to the nation itself ( French ) making it racist statement - the irony here is that you are using racist statement, of which you will in later post accuse Charlie H. Moreover if you allow yourself to use statement like "French douchebags" you are implicitly allowing the use of statements that could be similar to yours for example ( "Stupid Americans", "Dirty Jews", "Lazy Blacks" you get the idea ) to whomever would be using those, including for example white supremacists , that you will mention later, considering that you allow yourself saying what you are saying means you can't object to the others using similar statements.

2. In a couple of sentences you go from mentioning white supremacists to mentioning Charlie H. therefore making a non existent link between them , Charli H. doesn't have anything in common with white supremacy, you are implying guilt by association. The best case scenario is here that you are ignorant , the worst that you are doing this on purpose.

3. Similar to guilt by association you will use in one of your statement guilt by choice of words and association to racism and Charlie H. You say about one of the Charlie H. cartoons that it's racist, than you say you know it's not racist but you'll use that word anyway. I already talked about you using racist statement and than accusing Charlie H. of it which in itself makes your arguments bad, furthur more this is not proper word for that cartoon, the proper word if you wish is blasphemous, by using racist you are again trying to connect the guilt of racism to Charlie H., which is not the case.

4. By talking the history of French colonization , Arab immigration to France, unemployment and similar it appears :
a) you accepted the narrative that the killings happened because some people were offended by the cartoon of Mohamed
b) you are trying to find some rationalization even justification for the event in the events happened in the past

By doing so you are actually creating a sort of "collective reasoning" where there is no individuals but the race to which person belongs defines the identity of the person e.g. the logic is well I'm Algerian and France did terrible thing in Algier for example, but it is not collective guilt of French people here ( you see again French are not defined by being French ) it was particular people who did in Algier what they did, it was French politics too, but this was done by particular people in particular position and so on, and that is exactly what we are trying to say about killing at Charlie H. - it was done by individuals whoever they are, the might be more involved than we know, but we don't think that all the Muslims did it, or that should be collective guilt for this event applied to all the Muslims. ( although it is a religion association not the race one as in the case of French or Algerian example ).

This said by you implying collective guilt to French for the events from the past you are allowing some other people to create the collective guilt to Muslims for attack to Charlie.H.

If by referring to only "dead French douchebags" to the people killed in attack and mixing those with history of France, again you are creating nonsense statement by deciding that somehow killed people bear a guilt of what French goverment was doing in fifties in Algier. Complete nonsense from your side.

[Searcher08]

'Hacktivist' group Anonymous says it will avenge Charlie Hebdo attacks by shutting down jihadist websites

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sites.html

Yeah, all those severed heads and limbs, raped and murdered children, just wasn't that offensive ... but boy, you fuck with cartoonists...

I was the first person in my facebook group to type 'Je Suis Charlie'. Loads of people followed suit. And by today there was an Islam hating pile on, Boston Mk 2 had taken place after the helpful id exercise, murder in the kosher restaurant. I remember seeing a clip of one of the killers and thinking - this guy is way more malleable and dumb than evil. I now feel ashamed of writing that

I feel this is pure AdamCurtisLand - multiple murders by people who have an unknown degree of handling and manipulation to produce ambiguous contradictory effects for unknown ends, a world where the question of 'Who Benefits?' is answered with 'Who Cares?, just take advantage of it!'
a Game it / Play it / Fuck it over position of the Assemblage Point... from where an entire insane heartless world is being spun and woven
Kind of like Bill Hicks 'It's Just a Ride' but without either love or learning or spirit; soul-less
psychopaths manipulating all they come in contact with, sometimes for their own objectives and sometimes just because they can.