N.W.O.

[American Dream]

N.W.O. from Juice Rap News

[smiths]

Yes

I am the victim, and I am the oppressor

Then what, passively waiting for it to collapse knowing that I will be one of the victims of that collapse

[Joe Hillshoist]

Then what?

You try and build ethical, resilient communities, well an ethical resilient community where you live.

(Obviously that's not easy, but humans seem to function best when challenged to the limits of their capability.)

[Joe Hillshoist]

And listen to ministry.

[American Dream]

https://thejuicemedia.com/some-thoughts ... -giordano/

Some thoughts on Rap News 30 (The New World Order) – with Giordano

When we dropped Rap News 21, at the start of this year, I said I wanted to post something here after each new release to share some of the thoughts and ideas that don’t always find their way into the actual videos. (That didn’t quite work out as planned… sorry – the demands of monthly video production were slightly more massive than anticipated). But since we recently uploaded our last video for the year - The New World Order (Rap News 30) - our Season 3 finale – I thought I’d take this opportunity to make up for my slackness for the past eight episodes and post an update. So here’s a little rant to accompany RN30, for those who have a bit of time on their hands.


The typical NWO pyramid of power

RN30 covers one of the key concepts which Hugo and I have always wanted to explore through Juice Rap News. Even before we made our very first episode, in late 2009, we spoke about the need to critique the popular New World Order / Illuminati conspiracy theory which is often invoked to explain the state of the world today. It’s a conspiracy that has gained massive popularity over the past decade thanks to the internets, and which has arguably shaped the world view of an increasing number of people around the world – many of whom are justifiably pissed off about the way things are going, and want to change things for the better.

Sure, there are many real conspiracies around. But the NWO has grown into more than just a conspiracy; it has become a master narrative for explaining all the problems in the world today – practically a cosmology. So what is it all about? Despite all its apparent intricacies, its basic premise is rather simple (and therefore quite appealing): it externalizes the source of injustice by assigning responsibility for all the evil in the world to a shady elite at the top of the pyramid (commonly referred to simply as “They“), while encouraging us (usually affluent westerners) to identify as the oppressed at the bottom of the pyramid of power.

In order to prop up this notion, the NWO narrative needs to blast century-wide holes into our collective historical consciousness. Think about it… what about Indigenous peoples who experienced (and in some cases continue to experience) the catastrophic effects of colonisation? What about sweatshop workers, sex slaves and child soldiers? What about women across the world for most of recorded history? And what about the non-human species of the planet? Where do they fit into this NWO pyramid of power? They don’t. Because the NWO conspiracy world-view relies on us identifying as the victims of the system.

But take any of the serious crimes usually attributed to the New World Order – genocide, enslavement, exploitation, theft, cruelty, homogenization, conformity, assimilation, etc – you’ll see that all of these have been inflicted on the above sections of the society, in past and present times. (If you live in settler states such as Canada, USA or Australia, for example, you are living off the proceeds of all of the above). The historical record is clear about this. But NWO conspiracy advocates don’t like to be reminded of the crimes upon which their own wealth, privilege and power has been built; it upsets the basic victim based narrative.


Bill de Berg’s version of the NWO pyramid. Click to enlarge.

In RN30, to illustrate this blind spot, William De Berg presents Terrence Moonseed with a more honest depiction of the NWO pyramid of power which encourages us to question where we actually fit into its structure. Note that the image is not ‘to scale’: the layers of the pyramid do not necessarily sit in this specific order, indeed they often intersect across gender, class, race, etc; and you may well find it necessary to question the labels and positions of the lower tiers (That’s good – reality is too complex for any single stupid diagram!). The basic point this image seeks to convey is that “we” are not necessarily at the bottom of the pyramid, as we are often encouraged to imagine by NWO-conspiracy proponents. Victims of injustice can also be oppressors and beneficiaries of injustice.

Ironically, if there is a NWO conspiracy, its most powerful aspect might be that even its agents don’t realise they are a part of it. Which is precisely what keeps the pyramid of power intact, for by failing to recognise our place in it, we end up perpetuating the very injustices which we (and NWO conspiracy advocates) seek to end.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Is posting shit like this the reason everyone (else) has the shits with you AD?

Once upon a time the ideas expressed in that thing you just posted were taken for granted here.

[American Dream]

Is posting shit like this the reason everyone (else) has the shits with you AD?

Once upon a time the ideas expressed in that thing you just posted were taken for granted here.

Apparently so- I am holding out for the possibility that exposing real conspiracies can help us move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc.

There is a perspective wanting hegemony here which embraces- the far Right as a foundational to Conspiracy Culture. It's sad for them- and for the world- that the principles represented in the video are not stronger here.

[Searcher08]

Is posting shit like this the reason everyone (else) has the shits with you AD?

Once upon a time the ideas expressed in that thing you just posted were taken for granted here.

Apparently so- I am holding out for the possibility that exposing real conspiracies can help us move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc.

There is a perspective wanting hegemony here which embraces- the far Right as a foundational to Conspiracy Culture. It's sad for them- and for the world- that the principles represented in the video are not stronger here.

This is *extremely* disingenuous.

When push comes to shove, you are happy to post extremely ANTI-paraculture people like Bill Weinberg, you approved wholeheartedly and spammed the Conspirituality drivel, you chose to side with that reductionist disrupter from the JREF affiliated Illuminutti site and are quite happy to post stuff from David Aaronovitch with no 'riders' at all, a person who embodies just about everything that the spirit of RI is not. Then hectors anyone who disagrees with argumentation by megaphone.

Not to mention copypasting hundreds of libcom articles without comment or context and dozens of posts from a neo-lib Soros funded (and employed) shill and then engaging in extreme shoe-gazing when challenged about it.

Sp please excuse me if I find your wrapping yourself in a flag of self-righteousness somewhat stale.

[seemslikeadream]

[slimmouse]

Within the context of the OP, the following presentation is more than worthy of examination.

[Project Willow]

Is posting shit like this the reason everyone (else) has the shits with you AD?

Once upon a time the ideas expressed in that thing you just posted were taken for granted here.

Apparently so- I am holding out for the possibility that exposing real conspiracies can help us move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc.

There is a perspective wanting hegemony here which embraces- the far Right as a foundational to Conspiracy Culture. It's sad for them- and for the world- that the principles represented in the video are not stronger here.

That statement directly above is not true and it is exactly why people "have the shits" with you. There are a few people here who like David Icke, or at least were introduced to conspiracy ideas through him. There are a couple more who haven't agreed with you on some inflammatory issues and sources. That doesn't mean that their world views are far right in general or that any far right thinking is generally espoused here, or that it would be tolerated, FFS.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, you will never get to "move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc." as long as your response to disagreements on these issues is to label, condemn, and "other" people, rather than engage and criticize ideas. You will only create lasting discord. You are smart enough to recognize the difference, so why do you persist in sowing discord?

[Elvis]

The last shred of AD's credibility flew out the window when he cited David Aaronovitch to further "the values of Jeff Wells" -- something I joked about to myself: "next he'll be posting Aaronovitch, haha" -- then it actually happened. Talk about a poisoned punchbowl!

[American Dream]

Is posting shit like this the reason everyone (else) has the shits with you AD?

Once upon a time the ideas expressed in that thing you just posted were taken for granted here.

Apparently so- I am holding out for the possibility that exposing real conspiracies can help us move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc.

There is a perspective wanting hegemony here which embraces- the far Right as a foundational to Conspiracy Culture. It's sad for them- and for the world- that the principles represented in the video are not stronger here.

That statement directly above is not true and it is exactly why people "have the shits" with you. There are a few people here who like David Icke, or at least were introduced to conspiracy ideas through him. There are a couple more who haven't agreed with you on some inflammatory issues and sources. That doesn't mean that their world views are far right in general or that any far right thinking is generally espoused here, or that it would be tolerated, FFS.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, you will never get to "move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc." as long as your response to disagreements on these issues is to label, condemn, and "other" people, rather than engage and criticize ideas. You will only create lasting discord. You are smart enough to recognize the difference, so why do you persist in sowing discord?

The Devil is in the details- how I see what memes from the far Right even are within Conspiracy Culture is demonstrably different than how others see this- and that is an integral part of the problem...

[American Dream]

The last shred of AD's credibility flew out the window when he cited David Aaronovitch to further "the values of Jeff Wells" -- something I joked about to myself: "next he'll be posting Aaronovitch, haha" -- then it actually happened. Talk about a poisoned punchbowl!

I don't believe I said this- and certainly don't think it- as to this moment I don't even know who David Aaaronovitch is...

[Searcher08]

Is posting shit like this the reason everyone (else) has the shits with you AD?

Once upon a time the ideas expressed in that thing you just posted were taken for granted here.

Apparently so- I am holding out for the possibility that exposing real conspiracies can help us move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc.



There is a perspective wanting hegemony here which embraces- the far Right as a foundational to Conspiracy Culture. It's sad for them- and for the world- that the principles represented in the video are not stronger here.

That statement directly above is not true and it is exactly why people "have the shits" with you. There are a few people here who like David Icke, or at least were introduced to conspiracy ideas through him. There are a couple more who haven't agreed with you on some inflammatory issues and sources. That doesn't mean that their world views are far right in general or that any far right thinking is generally espoused here, or that it would be tolerated, FFS.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, you will never get to "move forward in a practical way in the struggle for a world beyond Colonialism, Racism, Authoritarianism and etc." as long as your response to disagreements on these issues is to label, condemn, and "other" people, rather than engage and criticize ideas. You will only create lasting discord. You are smart enough to recognize the difference, so why do you persist in sowing discord?

The Devil is in the details- how I see what memes from the far Right even are within Conspiracy Culture is demonstrably different than how others see this- and that is an integral part of the problem...

@Willow
Willow, you spoke eloquently for what I have been feeling for a long long time here
Your language is really clear and specific - there is no engagement or listening, just being labelled and condemned (the worst and most unpleasant being when done by proxy by Solace - when I thought "Surely AD is not going to stand by without comment??" and the answer was not just "yes, he would" but also that he congratulated him for his "deep perceptiveness".

I don't need to 'prove' my anti-fascist credentials to anyone. I marched against the National Front in Manchester. Bollocks to fascists. Screw racists. I don't need to 'prove' my values to someone acting like a frikken North Korean apparatchik.

@AD
A cliche, deeply disingenuous response (the devil is in the details??? what the f*** does that even MEAN in the context of what Willow posted?? - a request for reflection on the effect you are creating answered by saying the problem is basically people have a different understanding than you????

Your posting pattern is one that either by accident or design is serving to turn RI General Discussion into your personal anarchist libcom cross-posted minimal interaction link farm.

Given that you could have a bigger audience doing that on Tumblr, I am left with Willow's unanswered question

as long as your response to disagreements on these issues is to label, condemn, and "other" people, rather than engage and criticize ideas. You will only create lasting discord. You are smart enough to recognize the difference, so why do you persist in sowing discord?