Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Hunter » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:41 pm

Good grief did they pull out a picnic table for lunch too? Truly bizarre footage.
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Postby Sounder » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:57 pm

Thanks Morty, I see that now also. Sorry I posted that other vid.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Nordic » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:18 pm

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-1 ... cre-mossad

Turkish President's Stunning Outburst: The French Are Behind The Charlie Hebdo Massacre; Mossad Blamed

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/13/2015 12:55 -0500


It was less than 48 hours ago when Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, joined millions marching in Paris to pay tribute to the 17 people killed by ISIS-supporting extremists. Then, almost the moment he got back, things changed, and as the FT politely paraphrases what transpired, the "country’s president struck a much more confrontational tone." That's one way of putting it. Another is that the former PM and current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of NATO-member Turkey did the unthinkable: accused the west, and French citizens in particular, of staging the Charlie Hebdo murder in order to blame Muslims, even as the mayor of Ankara said "Mossad is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam."

"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”

His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.

The FT is confused: "Although political leaders in Turkey have repeatedly condemned the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine, a Jewish supermarket and a policewoman, a parallel narrative has emerged in the country, with conspiracy theorists blaming the murders on foreign intelligence agencies rather than radical Islamists."

It's not just the French who were said to be behind the attack: so is Mossad:

Melih Gokcek, mayor of Ankara for the ruling AK party, said on Monday that “Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam.” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine.

Ali Sahin, a member of Turkey’s parliament and foreign affairs spokesman for the AK party, last week set out eight reasons why he suspected the killings were staged so that “the attack will be blamed on Muslims and Islam”.

But back to Erdogan:

In his own remarks on Monday, Mr Erdogan added: “Games are being played throughout the Islamic world”. He expressed bewilderment that French intelligence services had not followed the culprits more effectively.
The FT is further confused that Turkey is not the only place which has dared to offer conspiratorial theories: Russia is too.

In Russia, some pro-Kremlin commentators sought to link the killings to geopolitical machinations by the US.

Komsomolskaya Pravda, one of Russia’s leading tabloids, ran the headline: “Did the Americans stage the terror attack in Paris?” and posted a series of interviews on its website that presented various reasons why Washington might have organised the attack.

In one interview, Alexander Zhilin, head of the pro-Kremlin Moscow Centre for the Study of Applied Problems, claimed the terror attack was US retribution against President François Hollande for a January 6 radio interview in which Mr Hollande urged the EU to lift sanctions against Russia. Washington used the attacks as “a quick fix for consolidating” US and EU geopolitical interests in Ukraine, Mr Zhilin claimed.
The FT is most stunned that in Russia the events in Charlie Hebdo are being equated to the 9/11 tragedy:

“For the last 10 years, so-called Islamist terrorism has been under the control of one of the world’s leading intelligence agencies,” Alexei Martynov, director of the International Institute for New States, a think-tank, told pro-Kremlin internet outlet LifeNews. “I am sure that some American supervisors are responsible for the terror attacks in Paris, or in any case the Islamists who carried them out.”
Whatever could have given the Russian this idea...
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Nordic » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:27 pm

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:37 pm

A hi res version of this sequence clearly shows them on their smart phones posting #humblebrag boasts on Facebook and Twitter, and I believe if you zoom in
one of the assailants is digitally face bumping his call of duty pals on a reddit subforum

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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby justdrew » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:48 pm

Nordic » 13 Jan 2015 16:18 wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-13/turkish-presidents-stunning-outburst-french-are-behind-charlie-hebdo-massacre-mossad

Turkish President's Stunning Outburst: The French Are Behind The Charlie Hebdo Massacre; Mossad Blamed


why is it stunning, except for the lapse in apparent decorum? The Turkish gov is 100% pro political-islam for all intents and purposes, anything that makes their "cause" look bad is going to be unwelcome. Looking for hidden actors behind the violence and ISIS? Probably one could do very well if one just looked at Turkey.

but no one ever seems to. :shrug:

Which is too bad because Erdogan has killed hundreds to thousands of secular Turkish politicians and officials and citizens who tried to stop his quiet coup.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:16 am

justdrew » 14 Jan 2015 13:48 wrote:
Nordic » 13 Jan 2015 16:18 wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-13/turkish-presidents-stunning-outburst-french-are-behind-charlie-hebdo-massacre-mossad

Turkish President's Stunning Outburst: The French Are Behind The Charlie Hebdo Massacre; Mossad Blamed


why is it stunning, except for the lapse in apparent decorum? The Turkish gov is 100% pro political-islam for all intents and purposes, anything that makes their "cause" look bad is going to be unwelcome. Looking for hidden actors behind the violence and ISIS? Probably one could do very well if one just looked at Turkey.

but no one ever seems to. :shrug:

Which is too bad because Erdogan has killed hundreds to thousands of secular Turkish politicians and officials and citizens who tried to stop his quiet coup.


Erdogan is a piece of shit. If he said that i'm inclined to think he is trying to deflect blame.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:28 am

And while we're on the subject of middle eastern leaders did Sisi join the Paris protest too? Taking time off from killing his own people to mourn some cartoonists. YTF doesn't Charlie hebdo make a comment about that.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby stefano » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:17 am

Thanks all, especially MacCruiskeen. That latest footage is really bizarre - bizarre behaviour for a pair of fleeing murderers, I mean. Very slick if the point was to be filmed. Need those images of the masked gunman!

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elfismiles wrote:This sounds really good Stefano. Wish there was an English translated version available...


Yeah, pity, it is really good.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby stefano » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:32 am

In the wake of mass protests defending freedom of speech, two men have been locked up for a bit of speech. A 21-year-old man in Toulouse got 10 months for expressing his solidarity with the Kouachis on a tram, and a 27-year-old in Toulon got a year for a Facebook post. The change to the penal code was made two months ago - the 13 November 2014 law sets a maximum penalty of five years in jail for "public apology of terrorism", or seven years if the act is committed using "a public online communication service."

If those cartoonists hadn't died for freedom of expression I guess it could have been really harsh.
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Postby Byrne » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:05 am

elfismiles » 13 Jan 2015 15:05 wrote:This sounds really good Stefano. Wish there was an English translated version available...

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stefano » 13 Jan 2015 07:34 wrote:I'm just reading a great book called La sale guerre (The dirty war) by Habib Souaidia, about the way Algeria's intelligence services encouraged, exacerbated, falsely blamed and sometimes directly managed the Islamist insurgency there in the 1990s. Very good - those interested might want to read the English version of the preface by Ferdinando Imposimato, an Italian judge who was involved with the (partial, I suppose) dismantling of the NATO-Mafia networks in Italy and who draws the parallels between Algeria and the strategy of tension in his own country.


Sefano, elfismiles,

Some connected info/research on the the Algerian secret service (DRS ) infiltration of the GIA & GSPC is on a thread here, including info on Mi5 connections gleaned from UK court hearing case notes (in particular to the Sofiane Kebilene, Farid Boukemiche & Sofiane Souidi case of February 2000 - where the prosecution case was dropped because the court would have heard of Mi5's involvement with the GIA),

Note also that the 1995 Paris Metro bombing was almost certainly a 'false flag' event perpetrated by an infiltrated GIA.... & note also France’s apparent inability to bring to justice those responsible for the 1995 attacks.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby stefano » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:43 am

Thanks Byrne! Interesting history hey, especially in the broader context of the Soviet Union's collapse, during which Britain and the US of course would have doubled their efforts to get in with the Algerian generals.

Can't find anything in English yet, but AFP reports that Al Qaeda in the Arabic Peninsula has claimed the massacre in a video today. Apparently a known AQAP leader, Nasser Ben Ali al-Anassi, makes the claim on an "Islamist site". AFP often gets stuff like this from SITE/Intelcenter, no such credit this time but nor is their any indication of how they came to know about the video.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:07 am

Twitter mirth after Steve Emerson’s Fox Nonsense re: Birmingham as Muslim ‘no-go’ Zone
By Juan Cole | Jan. 13, 2015 |

By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) —
Steve Emerson, a major figure in the Islamophobic network on which our right wing billionaires spend roughly $10 million a year, and who has even been paid for his wisdom by the US government, delivered himself of the most remarkable set of weird conspiracy theories on Fox Cable News, in which he claimed there were extensive Muslim no-go zones in Europe that amounted to a stealth caliphate ruled by sharia enforcers. He instanced Birmingham, UK.
He said,
“In Britain, it’s not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in. And, parts of London, there are actually Muslim religious police that actually beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn’t dress according to religious Muslim attire.”
Birmingham is a city of about a million, about the size of Dallas or San Jose, which is 14% Muslim. It doesn’t have any sharia-ruled enclaves where white Christians fear to tread. See below for the video and Cenk Uygur’s hilarious refutation.
UK Prime Minister David Cameron was having breakfast when the allegation was reported to him and he nearly choked on his porridge. He said of Emerson that “he must be a complete idiot.”
Emerson initially blamed the Oklahoma City bombing on Muslims (it was two white far right gun nuts), and virtually nothing he has ever said about Islam is correct. He doesn’t have any credentials– he just appointed himself an expert, and then cranky rich people give him money. Emerson continues to be brought on television regularly and is widely read on Islam even though he just makes stuff up. It is another sign of how corrupt the US information system is. Actual Middle East experts are blackballed in DC and on television and quacks like this are given a platform to address millions.
Twitter, under the hashtag #foxnewsfacts, let Emerson have it:


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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby slimmouse » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:40 pm

Thanks for the pics SLAD.

Is it just me, or does the expression on the ladys face suggest that shes not sure what she would actually prefer to do with that sword?
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby conniption » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:46 pm

Charlie Hebdo: Does Fox News Terrorise Us? Russell Brand The Trews (E232)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPK7t5B2UN4
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Bonus Trews: If You're Non-Muslim In Birmingham, Get Out! (E233)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz4XuEIknfQ
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