Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propaganda

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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:56 pm

American Dream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:38 pm wrote:Yes- Glenn Beck has got George Soros' number:



That's an amazing post. Better start cross-posting that in TIDS.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:58 pm

American Dream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:38 pm wrote:Yes- Glenn Beck has got George Soros' number:




$50 billion
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:05 pm

AD - equating any criticism of, or research into, George Soros -- one of the wealthier human beings alive and a cheerfullly Super-Empowered actor on the world stage who is quite happy to fuck with any government he wants to -- with Glenn Lee Beck, is egregiously poor form.

I especially appreciate the fact you used this tactic twice in a row.

Your constant protestations that you conduct your business here in good faith has worn thin and now grows quite brittle.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:13 pm

On the flipside, I refuse to go along with this belief that just because one sort of thug(the US/NATO/UK/Oil Arab allies) is pushing against Russia, that somehow Russia are good guys. One could write several books upon
the endless, endless tyranical and fascist like things Russia has done in the last 20 years alone. People want to talk about Ukraine being neo Nazis...well then I guess it's neo Nazi vs neo Nazi as Russia is the king of brutal far right
oppression toward minorities,
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:37 am

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:05 pm wrote:AD - equating any criticism of, or research into, George Soros -- one of the wealthier human beings alive and a cheerfullly Super-Empowered actor on the world stage who is quite happy to fuck with any government he wants to -- with Glenn Lee Beck, is egregiously poor form.

I especially appreciate the fact you used this tactic twice in a row.

Your constant protestations that you conduct your business here in good faith has worn thin and now grows quite brittle.


Actually, that was mostly a deliberate reductio ad absurdum of the 6 Degrees of George Soros approach, aka Guilt by Association. (It was also a chance to share two videos that I find interesting and entertaining). I am definitely versed in the fundaments of logic and do strive to support the sort of approaches that include it. I also tend to believe that most people who matter/are reachable have some sort of grounding in those basics, also.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:10 am

seemslikeadream » 21 Jan 2015 23:58 wrote:
American Dream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:38 pm wrote:Yes- Glenn Beck has got George Soros' number:




$50 billion


Perhaps this was a reference to his phone number, rather than his personal fortune. I reckon that if you included the international dialling code in the former, then the two figures would be roughly similar.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:19 am

American Dream » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:37 am wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:05 pm wrote:AD - equating any criticism of, or research into, George Soros -- one of the wealthier human beings alive and a cheerfullly Super-Empowered actor on the world stage who is quite happy to fuck with any government he wants to -- with Glenn Lee Beck, is egregiously poor form.

I especially appreciate the fact you used this tactic twice in a row.

Your constant protestations that you conduct your business here in good faith has worn thin and now grows quite brittle.


Actually, that was mostly a deliberate reductio ad absurdum of the 6 Degrees of George Soros approach, aka Guilt by Association. (It was also a chance to share two videos that I find interesting and entertaining). I am definitely versed in the fundaments of logic and do strive to support the sort of approaches that include it. I also tend to believe that most people who matter/are reachable have some sort of grounding in those basics, also.


"The meaning of one's communication is the response one gets, regardless of one's intention"
SO, AD the meaning of your communication above for me in this context is a diss.

For me when a Mod is giving feedback like that, I either just stop dead and walk away and/or apologise and/or go to PM.

So your post was meant as a diss to Wombat. The use of Anglo-Saxon terminology was definitely implied if not evident.

'The Six Degrees' epithet was coined by myself referring to your connection a vast number of people to David Icke and everyone from Alex Jones to Zen Monks were on it.

Association is based on a clear linkage and saying
David Icke ----- quoted an article by ----> Fred Jones
David Icke ----- says things that I interpret as similar to -----> Glenn Beck

is in a different class of associations than

George Soros ----- funds the organisation ---> Anton the Sorosian works at
George Soros ----- actively governs the department ---> Anton the Sorosian works at
Anton Sorosian ---- works on projects directly with people who ---> consult with multiple MilIntel services
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:27 am

anyone?
Image
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:29 am

slimmouse » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:10 am wrote:
seemslikeadream » 21 Jan 2015 23:58 wrote:
American Dream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:38 pm wrote:Yes- Glenn Beck has got George Soros' number:




$50 billion


Perhaps this was a reference to his phone number, rather than his personal fortune. I reckon that if you included the international dialling code in the former, then the two figures would be roughly similar.


from page 6 :)
George Soros published an article in the New York Review of Books on January 7th, calling on Europe and the West to put together a $50 billion rescue package for the “new” Ukraine, upping his October suggestion of $20 billion
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:01 pm

American Dream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:37 pm wrote:Actually, that was mostly a deliberate reductio ad absurdum of the 6 Degrees of George Soros approach, aka Guilt by Association. (It was also a chance to share two videos that I find interesting and entertaining). I am definitely versed in the fundaments of logic and do strive to support the sort of approaches that include it. I also tend to believe that most people who matter/are reachable have some sort of grounding in those basics, also.


Fair enough -- and to be clear, I don't begrudge you or any other mammal having some fun here at RI.

I just wanted to memorialize the moment: you do enjoy this. Searcher does, too. There's no victims in this dynamic, disruptive though it may be.

Play on.
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Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:48 pm

This is the essence of skilled moderation. So thank you.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:51 pm

no he is just telling you to play on....do you know what the word play means?


GAME


he's just tired of being a skilled referee
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:31 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:01 pm wrote:
American Dream » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:37 pm wrote:Actually, that was mostly a deliberate reductio ad absurdum of the 6 Degrees of George Soros approach, aka Guilt by Association. (It was also a chance to share two videos that I find interesting and entertaining). I am definitely versed in the fundaments of logic and do strive to support the sort of approaches that include it. I also tend to believe that most people who matter/are reachable have some sort of grounding in those basics, also.


...
I just wanted to memorialize the moment: you do enjoy this. Searcher does, too.
...
Play on.


I need to share some things...

I don't enjoy it, I really REALLY hate it with a f***ing passion as a waste of mine and other poster on the board's time, a disruption to others threads, and a nixer of actual discussion.
I loathe people gaming the board through multiple cross-posting, through trying to turn General Discussion into a series of personal associational collages and data dumps.
I loathe dozens of posts being added to threads, whose only outside input for months is forlorn complaints of lack of relevance and to stop CopyPasta-ing
F*** CopyPasta
I detest the years of associative thinking, of non-listening, of victim blaming, of siding with sweary abuse flingers, of bullying folks trying to engage and understand, of 1-Down communication, of inviting JREF dicks here, of treating interest as proclamation, of David Aaronovitch posting.
Finally, I loathe s*** flinging being presented as logic - hey, having done post-graduate work in Relevance Logic I can distinguish the two.
I see it as a really destructive and divisive long-term process here.

Surely RI General Discussion is for discussion, not a metastasised sub-Tumblr psychedelic & antifa linkfarm, free hosting provided by J Wells?
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby stefano » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:41 pm

Searcher08 wrote:[I need to share some things...

I don't enjoy it, I really REALLY hate it with a f***ing passion as a waste of mine and other poster on the board's time, a disruption to others threads, and a nixer of actual discussion.
I loathe people gaming the board through multiple cross-posting, through trying to turn General Discussion into a series of personal associational collages and data dumps.
I loathe dozens of posts being added to threads, whose only outside input for months is forlorn complaints of lack of relevance and to stop CopyPasta-ing
F*** CopyPasta
I detest the years of associative thinking, of non-listening, of victim blaming, of siding with sweary abuse flingers, of bullying folks trying to engage and understand, of 1-Down communication, of inviting JREF dicks here, of treating interest as proclamation, of David Aaronovitch posting.
Finally, I loathe s*** flinging being presented as logic - hey, having done post-graduate work in Relevance Logic I can distinguish the two.
I see it as a really destructive and divisive long-term process here.

Surely RI General Discussion is for discussion, not a metastasised sub-Tumblr psychedelic & antifa linkfarm, free hosting provided by J Wells?


Thanks Searcher. This is probably as good a place as any to mention that I fucking hate it, too. I posted here today about the Le Monde Afrique thing because of the Soros links hoping to hear from Searcher or Sounder or someone else with views on Soros and his economists. Posters who discuss, who say what they think and why. And Searcher got back with the bit about the talking heads on Channel 4 (which I would like to hear more about), but not before we'd been treated to a childish and spiteful wall of text dump on apoliteic music (for fuck's sake), whose only connection to the OP is Anton Chekov's name at the top (I don't care what his real name is, before someone feels compelled to correct me). Followed by another irrelevant Copypasta about Nazis, because it related in the most tangential way possible to the first Copypasta. We weren't talking about music and we weren't talking about fucking Nazis.

I don't usually mention it because that only encourages them, and further detracts from what discussion is left, but it is fucking exasperating. I also tend to let it go because I don't understand it - like, I don't get how you must be wired to get a dopamine reward out of annoying anonymous strangers in a different hemisphere. The best approach seems to be not feeding them. But if we're venting then count me as a 'victim' (strong word, maybe) of this game.
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Re: Soros Open Society + "Anti-fascists" = Globalist propag

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:53 pm

^^ I think of RI as a club, which has a clubhouse that I drop into when I can. I like the club, the general feel of it and most of the people that congregate there. The ones I have least in common with, I try to avoid unless they I hear them say something that I feel strongly about.

The topics of conversation for the current visit are painted on the walls of the clubhouse in large letters.

In recent years, it appears that every time I visit the club, one particular member is repeatedly daubing their own obsession all over the walls, to the detriment of the diversity of the general discussion. These subject matter of these topics, although not endorsed by the dauber, are filled with hate and vitriol - not only within their subject matter, but also in the reactionary nature of the rebuttles.

If the dauber is challenged on his dauber behaviour, one is met with shrill cries of 'this is the most important thing in the world, don't you agree?' Because if you don't agree you must be a gas-chambering fucking Nazi..

I am certain that no one at RI is a Nazi. In fact, the last Nazi's must be in their late 70's / early 80's now, surely? Nazi's have been mercilessly hunted down for the last 70 years, so I doubt there are many left, full stop.

I am deeply sceptical of our current real-world societal System(tm). Anything that System(tm) pushes at me so hard that it means I am only allowed to look at one side of the equation, I am extremely interested in. I like looking where the System(tm) doesn't want me to look.

Ah, the intricacies of clublife, eh? :wink:
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