'Illuminati' as 'deviant adepts'

[Wombaticus Rex]

Boy, I don't know who this Jeff character is but he's bringing some really problematic characters to the table with the OP. It's unfortunate to see how neophytes to conspiracy culture, without the context I have working with anarchist/socialist movements and proper dialectics, could fall for this kind of ultra-RW memetic material being injected by bad actors to poison the well on our slippery slope towards Bethlehem.

RI needs to speak up against this kind of uninformed discourse or we discredit the memory of Jeff Wells.

[seemslikeadream]

[American Dream]

There It Is

My friend
they don't care
if you're an individualist
a leftist a rightist
a shithead or a snake

They will try to exploit you
absorb you confine you
disconnect you isolate you
or kill you

And you will disappear into your own rage
into your own insanity
into your own poverty
into a word a phrase a slogan a cartoon
and then ashes

The ruling class will tell you that
there is no ruling class
as they organize their liberal supporters into
white supremist lynch mobs
organize their children into
ku klux klan gangs
organize their police into killer cops
organize their propaganda into
a device to ossify us with angel dust
pre-occupy us with western symbols in
african hair styles
inoculate us with hate
institutionalize us with ignorance
hypnotize us with a monotonous sound designed
to make us evade reality and stomp our lives away
And we are programmed to self destruct
to fragment
to get buried under covert intelligence operations of
unintelligent committees impulsed toward death
And there it is

The enemies polishing their penises between
oil wells at the pentagon
the bulldozers leaping into demolition dances
the old folks dying of starvation
the informers wearing out shoes looking for crumbs
the lifeblood of the earth almost dead in
the greedy mouth of imperialism
And my friend
they don't care
if you're an individualist
a leftist a rightist
a shithead or a snake

They will spray you with
a virus of legionnaire’s disease
fill your nostrils with
the swine flu of their arrogance
stuff your body into a tampon of
toxic shock syndrome
try to pump all the resources of the world
into their own veins
and fly off into the wild blue yonder to
pollute another planet

And if we don't fight
if we don't resist
if we don't organize and unify and
get the power to control our own lives
Then we will wear
the exaggerated look of captivity
the stylized look of submission
the bizarre look of suicide
the dehumanized look of fear
and the decomposed look of repression
forever and ever and ever

And there it is



Jayne Cortez and the Firespitters

[MacCruiskeen]

Thought-experiment:

If I were (say, just for example) the CIA, and if I wanted to destroy a hitherto-very-robust and explicitly anti-fascist discussion board, then I would go about it by carrying out a very low-key, very low-cost war of attrition, i.e. I would bore that board to death, mercilessly. Nearly everyone would give up and leave.

It would cost me very little of my own time and just a handful of my working hours (for which I would in any case be well-paid), and it would cost me no personal effort at all. I would nip in for a few minutes a day and just post something written by someone else that looked vaguely kinda leftwing and vaguely kinda right-on, and then I would refuse to discuss it in my own words, and then I would put on "ignore" anyone who dared to find my behaviour even slightly irritating. I would pretend that I suspected those posters of secretly being fascists and I would also pretend that I was a super-active anti-fascist activist who simply objected wery wery deepwy to fascism and worried pwofoundly that people around here might easily catch fascism if they weren't extwemely careful (and also extwemely gwateful for my selfless help).

This method would work, don't you think? I'd get away with it, don't you think? The board would eventually, literally, be bored to death.

Just sayin'.

[Sounder]

hypnotize us with a monotonous sound designed
to make us evade reality and stomp our lives away

Yep, stuck on trivia

Thanks for bumping this thread SLAD, I might even get a mind to expand on that Heschel bit.

[minime]

Sounder said:
"How about we apply our discrimination to look for the negative element within our own pretences, and look for the positive element (information) within the category that you do not naturally resonate with. "

[Wombaticus Rex]

Thought-experiment:

If I were (say, just for example) the CIA, and if I wanted to destroy a hitherto-very-robust and explicitly anti-fascist discussion board, then I would go about it by carrying out a very low-key, very low-cost war of attrition, i.e. I would bore that board to death, mercilessly. Nearly everyone would give up and leave.

It would cost me very little of my own time and just a handful of my working hours (for which I would in any case be well-paid), and it would cost me no personal effort at all. I would nip in for a few minutes a day and just post something written by someone else that looked vaguely kinda leftwing and vaguely kinda right-on, and then I would refuse to discuss it in my own words, and then I would put on "ignore" anyone who dared to find my behaviour even slightly irritating. I would pretend that I suspected those posters of secretly being fascists and I would also pretend that I was a super-active anti-fascist activist who simply objected wery wery deepwy to fascism and worried pwofoundly that people around here might easily catch fascism if they weren't extwemely careful (and also extwemely gwateful for my selfless help).

This method would work, don't you think? I'd get away with it, don't you think? The board would eventually, literally, be bored to death.

Just sayin'.

That's basically accusing AD of being a socket puppet, troll, bad actor, etc. You should probably be suspended but I am really, really lazy this week.

The Kali Yuga is too entertaining for any of us to be bored, so it's ultimately not a realistic scenario either.

[seemslikeadream]

what I've learned from this thread and the other one yathrib posted

If Jeff can graciously ignore AD for basically calling him an anti-semite all these years I guess I can too...

but I will be posting Jeff's OP in response to any future accusations if and when I post any Illuminati threads

and if AD continues to imply I or any of my friends are anti-semites I will respectfully ask him to imply Jeff is also

Man up AD have the courage of your convictions/accusations be fair to everyone here

[Elvis]

You still haven't said how you feel about the 'Illuminati deviant adepts' meme in the context of the struggle for social justice in which certain people clearly support ideas that may appeal to the Left but are also promoted by racist, pro-fascist, right wing elements.

[seemslikeadream]

more anti-semite OPs...

more fun times in the lounge

[brainpanhandler]

AD made one post in this thread:

The sections cited here "ring true" as far as they allude to some kind of split in esoteric brotherhoods.

I must say though, that I'm not sure what to think about John Lash's work of late. I don't know what his relationship to Joanna Harcourt-Smith is currently-they married several years ago and are now "divorced" though they still work closely together, and she continues to be an influence on him.

I remember well the accusations that were made against her in the 70's, of being an agent/informant for Federal agencies like the CIA, back around the time when her husband Tim Leary was kidnapped in Afghanistan. Perhaps it was a big case of "blaming the woman" in order to hide other things, but perhaps not. I have it on good personal authority that Joanna Harcourt-Smith is bad news, savvy though she may be in some things of a cosmic nature.

During the time that he was incarcerated, Leary quickly got into a "space migration" mode, asserting telepathic contact with wise extraterrestrial intelligences, which were somehow conflated with the CIA (Intergalactic Evolutionary Center=CIA?).

Harcourt-Smith was a key member of the "telepathic team" that channeled these messages. Perhaps I am now overly "anti-alien" (hypothesis), but I have noticed how Lash has gone heavily into a territory where reptoid aliens are influencing the fate of humanity.

So, given the history of alien motifs as a vehicle for disinformational campaigns, I am somewhat uncertain about John Lamb Lash, though I don't want to jump to any conclusions...

>AD

No one commented on his post at all. Conversation carried on in a normal fashion. No drama. Seems like a model thread on how to have a conversation that stays on topic when AD posts his warnings.

[Searcher08]

AD made one post in this thread:

The sections cited here "ring true" as far as they allude to some kind of split in esoteric brotherhoods.

I must say though, that I'm not sure what to think about John Lash's work of late. I don't know what his relationship to Joanna Harcourt-Smith is currently-they married several years ago and are now "divorced" though they still work closely together, and she continues to be an influence on him.

I remember well the accusations that were made against her in the 70's, of being an agent/informant for Federal agencies like the CIA, back around the time when her husband Tim Leary was kidnapped in Afghanistan. Perhaps it was a big case of "blaming the woman" in order to hide other things, but perhaps not. I have it on good personal authority that Joanna Harcourt-Smith is bad news, savvy though she may be in some things of a cosmic nature.

During the time that he was incarcerated, Leary quickly got into a "space migration" mode, asserting telepathic contact with wise extraterrestrial intelligences, which were somehow conflated with the CIA (Intergalactic Evolutionary Center=CIA?).

Harcourt-Smith was a key member of the "telepathic team" that channeled these messages. Perhaps I am now overly "anti-alien" (hypothesis), but I have noticed how Lash has gone heavily into a territory where reptoid aliens are influencing the fate of humanity.

So, given the history of alien motifs as a vehicle for disinformational campaigns, I am somewhat uncertain about John Lamb Lash, though I don't want to jump to any conclusions...

>AD

No one commented on his post at all. Conversation carried on in a normal fashion. No drama. Seems like a model thread on how to have a conversation that stays on topic when AD posts his warnings.

Absolutely.
There was nothing really to argue about, and it was personal information and clearly separated opinion versus fact.
I have / had absolutely zero nada nil problem with it. It was an interesting contribution about a person I know nothing about at all - watched no vids, read no books, heard no reviews. In fact it's bumping piqued my interest to look up Joanna Leary, who seems to have an autobiography published.

You might like to compare / contrast that with the current responses to yathrib, then visit the Firepit.

[seemslikeadream]

AD made one post in this thread:

The sections cited here "ring true" as far as they allude to some kind of split in esoteric brotherhoods.

I must say though, that I'm not sure what to think about John Lash's work of late. I don't know what his relationship to Joanna Harcourt-Smith is currently-they married several years ago and are now "divorced" though they still work closely together, and she continues to be an influence on him.

I remember well the accusations that were made against her in the 70's, of being an agent/informant for Federal agencies like the CIA, back around the time when her husband Tim Leary was kidnapped in Afghanistan. Perhaps it was a big case of "blaming the woman" in order to hide other things, but perhaps not. I have it on good personal authority that Joanna Harcourt-Smith is bad news, savvy though she may be in some things of a cosmic nature.

During the time that he was incarcerated, Leary quickly got into a "space migration" mode, asserting telepathic contact with wise extraterrestrial intelligences, which were somehow conflated with the CIA (Intergalactic Evolutionary Center=CIA?).

Harcourt-Smith was a key member of the "telepathic team" that channeled these messages. Perhaps I am now overly "anti-alien" (hypothesis), but I have noticed how Lash has gone heavily into a territory where reptoid aliens are influencing the fate of humanity.

So, given the history of alien motifs as a vehicle for disinformational campaigns, I am somewhat uncertain about John Lamb Lash, though I don't want to jump to any conclusions...

>AD

No one commented on his post at all. Conversation carried on in a normal fashion. No drama. Seems like a model thread on how to have a conversation that stays on topic when AD posts his warnings.

That's right BECAUSE it was Jeff posting about Illuminati ...AD wouldn't dare pull his crap on Jeff...AD didn't have the nerve to post the dozen names that I will not mention here but he does in every other thread ....AD did not post his usual anti-semitic crap and solace didn't show up


What's the difference? You tell me

[Wombaticus Rex]

Actually, I'm really fond of "not responding" as a strategy to reduce conflict on RI.

You always have the choice to break the loop.

You know what AD thinks.

You know he won't change.

You know you can, though.

[seemslikeadream]

Alright I will try AGAIN but he has to stay out of my threads and I am allowed to post anything I want within the guidelines set out by Jeff