Better thread structure?

[American Dream]

I'm taking this one personally, but trying not to blow a gasket over it.

That's far from my intention- in fact, I'm really sad to hear that. I have goodwill towards you.

This thread was prompted in reaction to other people in other threads complaining about my putting content together in threads where I am generating the majority of the content. I kind of don't know what to do with that, as I don't see them complaining about others who do this in equal proportion. Also, I do believe in the ethic of cooperative/participatory process, even if the realist inside of me knew the chances weren't good.

Anyway, I'll stop now.

[Sounder]

That is a nice wiki link for those folk AD, but what I would like to see is a link that indicates how it is you came to the idea that I support such folk.

Where did you get the idea that I support such folk?

Repetition does not make for evidence.

It is a bit off putting that you think so lightly of slander AD, and it's not exactly a good illustration of your principles in action.

[Project Willow]

I'm taking this one personally, but trying not to blow a gasket over it.

That's far from my intention-

I don't believe that for second.

This thread was prompted in reaction to other people in other threads complaining about my putting content together in threads where I am generating the majority of the content. I kind of don't know what to do with that, as I don't see them complaining about others who do this in equal proportion. Also, I do believe in the ethic of cooperative/participatory process, even if the realist inside of me knew the chances weren't good.

Anyway, I'll stop now.

I also don't believe that for second. Having been told ad nauseum over several years, you know exactly why you are the center of agitation, this behavior:

Hmm- let's see: Supports the Hutaree Militia, hostile towards anthropogenic global warming discourse, fears the U.N. and is obsessed with many/most of the traditional bugaboos of the John Birch Society-type Right, etc, etc..

It may be that there are some people espousing a neither Left nor Right type of philosophy who really are off the map, but in my experience they generally lean strongly towards what I- and most people- would call the Right...

You will stop now.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

This thread was prompted in reaction to other people in other threads complaining about my putting content together in threads where I am generating the majority of the content. I kind of don't know what to do with that, as I don't see them complaining about others who do this in equal proportion.

Wow, I asked for another pearl and you gave. You wonder why you don't see people "complaining about others who do this in equal proportion"? Because nobody comes close to matching you "in equal proportion"! Not me, not seemslikeadream, not Sounder, not even fruhmenschen comes close to you. I defy you to quantify how anyone comes anywhere near matching your barrage of copypasta bumps to threads you've started.

Now that we're back on topic, what do you think of this modest proposal: a limitation of 10 CONSECUTIVE BUMPS BY THE POSTER WHO STARTED THAT THREAD. I mean, if you're really interested in General Discussion occurring in General Discussion, as opposed to composing threads with 20+ consecutive bumps by the poster who started it that look more like a Data Dump compilation. Comprende? Any future violation would then result in a moderator moving that thread from General Discussion to Data Dump.

How's that for a suggestion? Too strict? Too generous?

[zangtang]

excellent idea, too generous. 4 at the most

[coffin_dodger]

Can we have more threads about anti-semetism and nazi's, please?

Fascism and the evils of mind-expanding hallucegenics are pretty under-represented too.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Yet another successful AD honeypot.

People, the best way to handle a troll is to ignore it. RI has always sucked at that, in a really cute and sweet way, frustrating as it is.

Guilty as charged.

Count me in to agreeing with stillrobertpaulsen's proposal of limiting consecutive 'bumps' by an OP. To zangtang's suggested tweak, I think 5 (consecutive bumps) may be a more than reasonable max number before relegating it to the [dustbin] data dump.

[Elvis]

the generally unrewarded labor of moderators should be honored through making sure that we don't do anything that imposes unwanted extra demands upon their time, focus, energy...

[Searcher08]

Courteous Posting

1 General Discussion is for reasonably rapid turn-over conversations and discussions

2 This means allowing a thread to fall off page one to make room for others

3 Having the OP posting *more* than three posts in a row without getting a reply is very bad form
It takes up a place on page 1 - like hogging a parking place or putting your shopping bags on multiple seats on the Tube.

4 NEVER Cross-Post. Period. Ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting

5 Cross posting between two threads already on page 1 of General Discussion should be classed as 'board gaming' and result in an immediate one week time out.

6 Multi-posting in the *same thread* should be classed as 'extreme board-gaming' and result in a
public flogging.

7 Copy Pasta should be marked "Severely Deprecated" within General Discussion.

8 Copy Pasta makes some threads GD almost unreadable on a Smartphone or Tablet

9 Can you answer
"What is the intention of the thread and what would you like to have happen in it?"



Thread titles
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Positive, clear and constructive and VETO-able by the MODS
They seem to set the tone for what follows...

Thumbs-Up: My far right issues with David Icke
Thumbs-Down: Fuck you, David Icke, you fucking NAZI filth

Thumbs Up Israeli scientists create AI
Thumbs-Down Zionazi baby killers raise Skynet monster

etc etc

Some of the threads in the Firepit had very contentious titles... Jus sayin'

Clarity
Poor Frumenschen basically 'shot himself in both feet' with totally meaningless thread titles and context-less threads. It want clever, it was actually crap misleading 'signage', that ironically ended up devaluing an important subject.

If you want to provide an information resource, no worries - just please use the Data Dump for that
(there is a whole other HUGE conversation about making better use of the board)

If you want to CopyPasta information resources, please consider using Tumblr rather than Forum software - it is much better set-up for this and in terms of a demographic, probably a chance of many orders of magnitude more readers.

Please not I am NOT making a value judgement on these threads - I *am* stating a case for the separation of "Discussion"-type threads and "Information Resource" threads.


Thread Consolidation
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My opinion is that if we can focus on creating a clear title and keep to that theme to a reasonable extent, then with good faith we can agree to answer a "Relevance Challenge" from anyone.

Q "Excuse me, how does what you just posted connect to the OP and / or the thread subject?"

Some example answers might be
A "Because of factors X,Y and Z"
A "Err, you are right, I think we have drifted a bit. Let's get back on track"
A "Having a bit of fun for a while - normal service will be resumed shortly"


Last but not least
1 Please don't invite / post JREF affiliated people here. FMSF and all that.
2 "Dont Mention The Wells"
Avoid 'invoking' Jeff or the Forum Rules. If you have a Forum Rules issue, address to MODS and accept their ruling. OTOH we could talk about what he actually wrote a lot more!
3 Dont use "The Royal 'We' ". Brits tend to hate it as Thatcher did it.
4 Constructivity - posters who just do drive-by sneers / swearing / accusations of evilness get shown the door. Life is too short to spend it listening to Joe McCarthy re-runs
5 Let's make newcomers welcome

[slimmouse]

Well all I can say is that if you want an example of better thread structure, then youre looking at it.

Lots of interpersonal dialogue, and not a copy-pasta in sight.

And speaking of nowhere in sight, that allows our more subtle, nuanced personal proclaimations to manifest themselves a touch better......such as this....

It may be that there are some people espousing a neither Left nor Right type of philosophy who really are off the map, but in my experience they generally lean strongly towards what I- and most people- would call the Right..

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"Gets out dictionary to look up definition of Right."

[zangtang]

while you're in the dictionary, look up 'and most people'..........

re Searcher's guidelines/suggestions, cant see a problem with :

'Zionazi baby-killers raise skynet monster'..........its certainly pithy !

[coffin_dodger]

A great example of what can be wrought by one person unable to control their urges, run riot in a tolerant framework. A fine specimen!

[jakell]

I reckon Searcher is a fine example of self control. Having been proscribed for satire, he taking the 'straight man' approach here. I'll leave it at that lest it starts to appear like the brown nosing that characterised the early stages of this thread.

I suspect though that, underneath, he's as mad as Hell, and not going to take it any more (because If I had a history here, I would be).

[slimmouse]

I appear to be going all Ian-Eyeish all of a sudden. ( S.O.I)

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am stuck in the middle with you

[brekin]

I'm probably missing something here, but are people being raked across the coals for copy/pasting too much content into threads? That is verboten now? Inter-personal dialogue is fine. But, lets be honest, most of that can just become pretty superficial meta-commentary and less news and more gossip that would be better placed in The Lounge. And isn't there some code you can throw down to collapse long chunks of text? Maybe big chunks should just be encouraged to have that. And banning people for cross posting in threads? A lot of this seems like the Village Green Society wanting to castrate litterers. If these big data dumps were off topic then I could see that being obstructive, but if they are on topic, what are people afraid of? Reading? Again, is there a bigger problem at play here?