Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

[seemslikeadream]

"Israeli Secret Intelligence Service", the Mossad's name in official US-Israeli communications

sounds right to me

[slimmouse]

Thanks for all of that Alice.

My only sadness is that it appears that Egyptians somehow need to buy their tanks and guns and bombs from anywhere.

However, I can only suppose that I wouldnt wish to sit in Sisis place and try saying that.

[seemslikeadream]

I also wanted to point out that there is certainly a direct link between France's decision to support the Palestinian Authority's application for recognition as a state and membership in the UN, the subsequent targeting of France by "ISIS" in the "Charlie Hebdo" incident, and France's announcement yesterday that it would be supplying the Egyptian government with 24 of its super-advanced Rafale war-planes, thus contributing to Egypt's objective to become militarily independent of the US. Though the US has tried to put a game face on, it's clear to everyone involved that this is only the latest of many slaps. (These include the recent agreement between Egypt and Russia to drop the US dollar in their bilateral trade and tourism, and for Russia to supply Egypt with its own advanced war-planes and other weapons, in addition to contracts involving massive industry and agriculture and infrastructure projects, and the recent rapprochement between Germany and Russia).

France is one of the countries that the US has been edging out of the Middle East and Africa, along with Germany and of course Russia and China.

On edit: semper occultus, I had to google "AQAP". I had no idea what it stood for. It's always been referred to by its full name as "Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula", never by any acronym. Speaking of acronyms, it was interesting how President Obama suddenly switched, a few months ago, to using the acronym ISIL. That could be because the results of googling ISIS sometimes included "Israeli Secret Intelligence Service", the Mossad's name in official US-Israeli communications.

Denmark votes against recognizing Palestine
Published: 12 Dec 2014 08:40 GMT+01:00

Despite parliament shooting down a proposal from the left-wing to recognize Palestine now, the foreign minister has opened the door for Denmark to do it sooner rather than later.

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Denmark will not recognize Palestine: PM (29 Oct 14)
A bill that called on Denmark to recognize Palestine as a state was shot down in parliament as expected on Thursday.

But despite the no vote, the foreign minister nonetheless suggested that Denmark could be a step closer to recognizing a Palestinian state.

See also: Denmark will not recognize Palestine: PM

In a departure from the Danish government’s previous statements, Martin Lidegaard said Denmark is prepared to recognize Palestine even without a two-state solution firmly in place.

“We are in line with the many countries who feel that this is such an important decision that we should wait to make it until we feel like it can actually affect the peace process. We don’t think that is now, but on the other hand we don’t necessarily think that we need to wait until the end of the peace process,” Lidegaard said during Thursday’s debate, as quoted by Politiken.

Later taking to Twitter, he “supported” recognizing Palestine but only “when it can contribute to peace”.

“I don’t think that’s now. It requires the EU,” the foreign minister wrote.

The advocacy group ActionAid Denmark (Mellemfolkeligt Samvirke) on Thursday handed Lidegaard a petition with around 35,000 signatures calling for Denmark to recognize Palestine.

probably a bit later now

[AlicetheKurious]

"Israeli Secret Intelligence Service", the Mossad's name in official US-Israeli communications

sounds right to me

From a 1990 interview on C-Span, with the authors of Every Spy a Prince: The Complete History of Israel's Intelligence Community:

[semper occultus]

...I've no doubt ISIS is an "implant" of sorts in contra-distinction to indigenous groups like Hamas..but I'm pissed off that the Sunni "immune system" hasn't kicked in to reject the transplant before metastasis...

[Iamwhomiam]

Islamic State Video Shows Beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians

By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK FEB. 15, 2015

A video released Sunday by the Islamic State appears to show the mass beheading of a group of 21 Coptic Christians, who are made to kneel beside the sea in what is identified as the coast near Tripoli, Libya.

It is the first time that the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, has released an official video showing such a killing outside of the territory it controls in Syria and Iraq.

The footage begins with slow motion images of the Egyptian Christian hostages, who were kidnapped in Libya several weeks ago, walking single file along the sandy beach. The hostages are all wearing orange jumpsuits. Each one is led by a black-clad executioner who is grasping a knife. The only sound is that of the crashing waves. They are made to kneel, and then one by one they are beheaded.

The lead executioner, who wears a brown mask over his face, thrusts his dagger at the camera. “Oh people, recently you have seen us on the hills of as-Sham and Dabiq’s plain, chopping off the heads that have been carrying the cross for a long time,” he says in fluent English, using terms referring to localities in and around Syria. “And today, we are on the south of Rome, on the land of Islam, Libya, sending another message.”

The high-quality video, which bears the logo of Al Hayat, the official publishing arm of the Islamic State, is in stark contrast to the footage released in the past by affiliates of the group. The footage in those videos was shaky and grainy, suggesting an amateur production. By contrast, the five-minute clip released Sunday is professional and cinematic, and is filmed in the same style as previous Islamic State videos, including one that showed the mass beheading of captured Syrian soldiers last year.

The video suggests that at least some of the Islamic State's franchises abroad are becoming ever more tightly linked with the central group. Stills of the Libya video appeared last week in Dabiq, the Islamic State’s official English-language magazine. And the footage released today was preceded by an announcement on the group's official news media, which foreshadowed the release, saying: “A Message Signed with Blood to the Nation of the Cross.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/middleeast/islamic-state-video-beheadings-of-21-egyptian-christians.html

[MinM]

@ZaidJilani · Shortly after ISIS kills Jordanian pilot, Netanyahu uses a Jordanian song to portray ISIS allying with the left in campaign ad.

How was Netanyahu able to put together that campaign ad so quickly?

...My real purpose is to say that it has been widely reported here that the Jordanian pilot was actually killed on January 3rd, a full month before the infamous video was propagated by the Mossad front SITE. He was on a sortie near the Jordanian-Syrian border, when he witnessed a US plane dropping supplies on an ISIS terrorist camp. He reportedly took photographs and described what he saw. His communications were intercepted by either Israel or the US. In either case, his plane was shot down by a ground-to-air missile far more advanced than anything currently available to ISIS. He parachuted, and landed in the Euphrates, from which he was taken by the ISIS terrorists. BTW, without exception, all those who saw the video were convinced that the masked ISIS terrorists who appear in the video are not Arabs. Once again, their body language is alien. And there has been quite a bit of black humor circulating about all those orange jumpsuits, in cut and color exactly like the ones used by the US, which are so readily available to ISIS.

In any case, one consequence of this horrific murder is a noticeable change in the Jordanian military's conduct of the war against ISIS. Whereas previously thousands of air raids by the US-led coalition did very little damage to ISIS, and on the contrary, "accidentally" contributed tons of supplies, weapons and ammunition that helped the terrorist organization entrench and expand its control over Arab territories, the Jordanians suddenly started to really pound the ISIS positions. This has also had an effect on the diplomatic front, with Jordanian-Egyptian relations becoming much closer than before. Egypt had refused to join the US-led coalition, because (rightly, in my opinion) it is viewed as a scam to extort as much money as possible from the Arabs, which the US/Israel are trying to prolong as much as possible by largely leaving ISIS unmolested and even supplying it with all the necessary weapons, logistics and supplies to pursue its anti-Arab/Muslim agenda.

[seemslikeadream]

Netanyahu’s campaign video: Liberals to let ISIS into Israel
Published time: February 16, 2015 00:03

Benjamin Netanyahu has released yet another campaign video which has stirred Israel. The footage presents his Likud party as the only safe pair of hands against terrorism, claiming the left-wing opposition will let Islamic State militants into the nation.

Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) militants are advancing in Syria and Iraq, prompting not only international efforts to stop them, but also spreading fear through media with countless reports on executions of homosexuals, as well as those who smoke or use mobile phones.

In a controversial move, Netanyahu’s Likud party has decided to capitalize on those fears ahead of the Knesset elections set for March 17.

[Nordic]

Okay I just spent about half an hour looking for the damn video and it doesn't seem to exist.

I mean there's a VIDEO. Of some ninjas in black, lining up guys in orange jumpsuits on a beach. With a masked dude pointed a knife at the camera and talking.

There are crane shots, dolly shots, telephoto shots with variable focus effects ...

But nowhere do you see anyone even get close to pulling out a knife, and as far as I can tell, you never see a single "body".

Is this crazy, or what?

I mean, this is the fucking internet. If a video existed of guys getting their heads chopped off, you would THINK there would be, at the very least, gore-porn sites that would fucking show it.

What a fucking joke. We are living in the most SURREAL TIMES imaginable. It's like when you play with a dog, with a ball, you know? And you PRETEND to throw the ball. And the dog runs out there, looking for the ball, because he's fucking CONVINCED you've thrown the ball. That's what this is like.

[zangtang]

by which presumabubbly you mean,....wag the dog

"how close are you to this thing?"

[AlicetheKurious]

Nordic, what a coincidence, I was just about to ask for your take on the latest "ISIS" production. There are so many false notes and glaring oddities. Here is a link to the video, and some of my initial impressions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqwj1p ... 1424073324

Were 21 Egyptians murdered in cold blood? Probably. Almost certainly. But what I and millions of people saw yesterday, beginning with a logo nearly identical in every way to that of Al-Jazeera (with Qatar being ISIS's home base and main financier) was a piece of cinematic fantasy worthy of Hollywood, complete with special effects, fancy costumes, B-grade actors and multiple camera angles wielded by professional film-makers. While some people allowed themselves to be seduced by the magic of Hollywood, I compared these glossy images with the images we`ve seen of the Houthis in Yemen, with the militants of Hamas, with the disciplined fighters of Hizbullah, and with the terrorists captured here in Egypt. I compared this obviously fake, glossy, American-style fantasy production with things that we know to be real.

I noted how all the terrorists were dressed exactly the same, in impeccable black, perfectly ironed costumes, each sporting an identical dagger positioned at exactly the same angle on their perfectly straight belts. I noted how physically they were so much larger than their prisoners, and how they stood perfectly straight and perfectly still, like Special Forces of a very well-equipped, very well-financed army. I noted how the prisoners were wearing brand-new, ironed, orange jumpsuits identical in color and cut to those issued by the US army. I noted the fluent English spoken by the leading terrorist, and wondered why it was so much better than the English spoken by Arabs who`d been educated in American schools. I wondered what professional studios and cameras and editing equipment are available to the terrorists of ISIS.

I also wondered if this video, like the one of the Jordanian pilot, was also "found" and distributed by the Mossad front SITE.

I believe this video represents a trap, designed to lure Egypt into bombing ISIS positions outside its borders. In my humble opinion, I believed that this is a very bad idea. But at dawn this morning, the Armed Forces issued a communiqué and a video announcing that it has bombed ISIS camps and weapons storage facilities in Libya and returned, having successfully completed their mission. I have total confidence that they know exactly what they are doing, and that I must be wrong.

On Edit: the first head of state to telephone President Sisi this morning was the French Prime Minister Francois Hollande, who assured our president of France`s total support for Egypt in its fight against the terrorists.

[82_28]

Alice wrote:

I noted the fluent English spoken by the leading terrorist, and wondered why it was so much better than the English spoken by Arabs who`d been educated in American schools. I wondered what professional studios and cameras and editing equipment are available to the terrorists of ISIS.

I don't know where I read it today, but ISIS is apparently punishing/killing smokers and users of technology now like cellphones and shit. Umm, ok. That makes no sense if they are to produce and distribute the plethora of bullshit we've seen so far -- they have to upload it somehow. One would assume, out there in the desert there probably isn't alot of bandwidth -- UNLESS THERE IS! Honestly, if these motherfuckers are mostly western, they sound a hell of a lot like the skinheads of my youth. Seriously.

For now, I am going to roll with white and/or Jewish supremacism under those ninja masks.

[AlicetheKurious]

The video link I posted earlier didn`t include the actual beheading. This one does. For those with a strong stomach, watch it quickly, before it`s removed. I don`t have a strong stomach, but I forced myself to watch it. This is a link to the complete, gory video:



Once again, as in the video of the Jordanian pilot, the passivity of the victims is bizarre and incomprehensible. No way would they just sit there, patiently submitting as their heads were sawed off with knives.

[8bitagent]

Well in the last year we've seen

- ISIS tell puzzled wannabe jihadi followers on and offline that focusing on Shia Muslims as the main enemy is more important than Israel

- Israel shoots down a Syrian fighter jet pounding ISIS and al Nursra targets

- IDF forces tend to "moderate" Syrian jihadis

Bibi equates Hamas with ISIS, and recently said liberals will allow ISIS in.

I mean it's no secret Turkey and Qatar have no issue with ISIS, even as 9/11 orchestrating/al Qaeda funding Saudi Arabia builds a giant wall to try and ward off a future ISIS attack
Israel seems like it'd be the last country targeted by the Islamic State

Also isn't it a hoot that ALL of the countries the US government and allies either invaded or used proxy fighters to topple(Iraq, Libya and Syria) have largely fallen to this "ISIS"? Oh I remember when Obama
and all the liberal and right wing dingbats were begging everyone to join in the anti Ghadaffi hysteria, even as Ghadaffi was saying it was a trap to bring in al Qaeda. Surprise surprise.

[8bitagent]

Once again, as in the video of the Jordanian pilot, the passivity of the victims is bizarre and incomprehensible. No way would they just sit there, patiently submitting as their heads were sawed off with knives.

One of the most striking anomalies I noticed from last year. This almost giddy willingness of the victims to die in these horrible manners. It seems in human nature to bite, kick, scream and fight such horrid deaths...to at least make them shoot you if you know the alternative is beheading or immolation. Like who wouldn't rather be shot than this horror show?

Also what is up with Kayla Mueller? We hear all this stuff about a young white American female being held hostage...I was worried at the idea this "ISIS" was saving their most horrific horror show for her, then they announce she died in a bomb blast. Also that John Cantlie is a real strange cipher.

I still maintain Islamic State is a honeypot ruse to lure in multiple countries into the desert for some sort of mind fuck or trap.