Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:01 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:22 am wrote:
psynapz » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:56 pm wrote:Thanks for the effort Bob, but the first line of both articles are identical, so I think we're still seeking a second source on this one. Holy shit, I hope we find it.


Yeah, I've been looking, but it appears every link I find originates from FARS News. So no corroboration to date.


For what it's worth, this story has been getting some online coverage here in Egypt, with the original source cited to be an Iraqi newspaper, Waradana. But when I checked, the Waradana story was dated one day after the FARS story. The FARS story specifies named Iraqi parliamentary sources, who are said to have presented photographic evidence, while this one attributes the news to an anonymous "military source". It's really brief, so I translated it:

Source: American Plane Supplying Arms to ISIS Shot Down
20:27
2015-02-26


On Thursday, a combined security force succeeded in shooting down an American airplane, west of Anbar, which was dropping weapons to Daesh*. A military source said that heroes of the [Iraqi] popular mobilization and security forces downed a military supply plane west of Baghdadi that was dropping weapons and supplies to Daesh. He added that the plane was dropping advanced weapons and food to ISIS after the latter were surrounded and besieged by popular mobilization and security forces.

Link: http://www.waradana.com/news/iraq/43/77164/مصدر:-اسقاط-طائرة-امريكية-كانت-تلقي-اسلحة-لداعش-


*Daesh is the Arabic name of ISIS/ISIL
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:30 pm

But the information below is what I find really interesting. And not surprising at all, at all. One of the many useful purposes served by ISIS to its makers, is that it paves the ground for the sectarian / religious warfare across the Arab world that Israeli strategists have been saying for decades is so vital to Israel's "security".

This is the single most important reason why Egypt's current role, and current government, is targeted for elimination: because Egypt is working to mobilize a unified Arab defense force, based on the integrity and national security of each Arab state. Egypt wants to collaborate with and empower the legitimate central governments and the national armies to fight in defense of their countries. But this would ruin everything: the Zionist plan for the Middle East is predicated on the creation of sectarian/religious/ethnic militias bristling with weapons and fighting each other, tearing their nations apart into fragments ruled by warlords and dependent on outside support. The nightmare that was Lebanon in the 1980s, is the dream vision that continues to inspire Zionists today, in the hope that they can recreate it and spread it across the whole region.

US Christians back emerging private war on Iraq jihadists
AFP By Jonathan Krohn
February 26, 2015 1:05 PM


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Arbil (Iraq) (AFP) - After fighting with rebels in Libya and embracing the revolt in Syria, Matthew VanDyke has rolled up in northern Iraq, but the celebrity American revolutionary-cum-filmmaker has traded his fatigues for a three-piece suit.

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VanDyke, who rose to fame as a foreign fighter backing Libyan rebels against Moamer Kadhafi, has just finished leading his new military contracting firm through its first assignment -- training Christian volunteers to take on jihadists.

Funded by Christian groups from abroad, mainly from the United States, the Nineveh Plains Protection Unit (NPU) aims to bring a local Christian militia to bear against the Islamic State group that has seized swathes of Iraq and Syria.

VanDyke is one of the best-known -- and least camera-shy -- figures in an expanding and complex constellation of foreign fighters, organisations and donors getting involved in a private war against the jihadists.

"This is an extension of my work as a revolutionary," he says as he takes a sip from his cappuccino in a cafe in the Kurdish capital of Arbil. "What gives somebody else the right to sit home and do nothing?"

The 35-year-old came to prominence in 2011 when he joined Libyan rebels in the fight to overthrow Kadhafi. He was held by regime forces in solitary confinement for more than five months.

The film "Point and Shoot" directed by Marshall Curry, which won the best documentary award at the Tribeca Festival last year, recounts the 35,000-mile motorcycle odyssey that led VanDyke to Libya and which he describes as "a crash course in manhood".

Not one to shy away from self-aggrandizement, VanDyke's official website claims that his own documentary on the Syrian conflict, in which he volunteered in 2012, won no fewer than 82 prizes.

A few months ago, VanDyke changed tack and decided to form his military contracting firm, the Sons of Liberty International (SOLI), with the training of a few hundred NPU volunteers as a first assignment.

The Nineveh in the NPU's name refers to a northern region which Iraq's Assyrian Christians and other religious minorities consider their ancestral home.

IS last year declared a "caliphate" over parts of Iraq and Syria it had seized, forcing hundreds of thousands of civilians to flee their homes, including many Iraqi Christians.

The mostly Sunni Arab group has been accused of persecuting other communities and this week was reported to have taken several hundred Assyrian Christians hostage in northeastern Syria.

A US-led international coalition launched an air war on the jihadists in August and dispatched forces to train Kurdish and Iraqi federal troops who hope to eventually retake lost ground.

In the meantime other -- less official -- parties have been drawn into the conflict from abroad.

The NPU, for example, is being funded by the American Mesopotamian Organization (AMO), a California-based group founded by Assyrian-Americans.

It claims to have raised more than $250,000 for the NPU -- which has not yet seen combat -- since December through an initiative dubbed "Restore Nineveh Now".

More than 80 percent of the donations come from the United States, the group's chairman, David Lazar, told AFP by telephone from the United States.

He says telethons on the Assyrian National Broadcasting satellite channel generated donations "as high as $50,000 from one person".

As well as financing food, clothing and protection gear, the AMO has hired a "top five" private contracting firm to provide risk assessments and possibly advanced training to NPU recruits, he says.

Many of the donations are coming from members of the Assyrian-American community, like Joseph Baba, a car salesman from Tehran who has lived in the US since 2000 who donated a little less than $10,000 to the group.

"I'm a firm believer that the Middle East has to have this indigenous population," he says of Iraq's Christians, speaking to AFP by telephone from his home in California.

- 'In a grey area' -

Baba said he had concerns over the legality of funding a militia -- though the NPU and its supporters balk at the term -- but was reassured by the AMO that it posed no problem.

Still, the issue of training a private force on foreign soil is highly sensitive and the NPU has sent out conflicting messages.

Lazar initially told AFP that Walid Phares, a Fox News terrorism analyst and formerly a prominent leader of the Lebanese Forces Christian militia during the 1975-1990 civil war, was a key supporter.

"He's an adviser to us to this whole project, not only the NPU, but he's an adviser to the Restore Nineveh Now initiative and the American Mesopotamian Organization," Lazar said.

But he later denied making the remark and Restore Nineveh Now's spokesman Jeff Gardner said Phares had no involvement.

In an email to AFP, Phares denied any role with the NPU, though he said he advises "a large coalition of US-based Middle East minorities NGOs, known as MECHRIC", of which AMO is a member.

VanDyke's role also seems to have stirred controversy.

Restore Nineveh Now issued a statement on Wednesday acknowledging VanDyke's involvement in the training programme but also stating his contract had been terminated and accusing him of attempting to use the NPU to promote his business.

VanDyke also admits his firm is operating "perhaps in a grey area" in northern Iraq.

"We're legally registered as a company. We're not registered as anything else right now."

A US State Department spokesman confirmed to AFP that a licence is needed when defence services, including military training, are provided.

VanDyke throws legal concerns to the wind.

"Generally the attitude of the United States seems to be as long as you shoot in the right direction they don't care," he says.

"You know, I go and risk my life in other countries, why would I be all that concerned about that?" Link
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby slimmouse » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:55 pm

AlicetheKurious » 27 Feb 2015 19:30 wrote:But the information below is what I find really interesting. And not surprising at all, at all. One of the many useful purposes served by ISIS to its makers, is that it paves the ground for the sectarian / religious warfare across the Arab world that Israeli strategists have been saying for decades is so vital to Israel's "security".]


Thanks for the links Alice. But with due respect this isnt especially about Israel.

Not by any long chalk in fact, certainly for any of its current inhabitants.

It sure as fuck aint their fault that their own water burst in the very busy period of an ongoing 13 billion year evolutionary game, one which some say was simply an accident, whereupon they were born into this crappola as a sovereign sentient so and so.- innit ? :shrug:
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby DrEvil » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:35 pm

"Sons of Liberty"...

He must be a fan of the Metal Gear Solid games. Metal Gear Solid 2 is called Sons of Liberty, and incidentally (mild spoilers ahead) the plot of the game is basically a giant false flag / mindfuck and involves taking control of all online communications.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:43 pm

That's certainly possible, Dr., but Sons of Liberty roots are a bit older.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby DrEvil » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:50 pm

Yeah, but MGS has giant robots! Did they have giant robots in the colonies? I don't think so!

But thanks for pointing it out. I had no idea that's where it came from. :oops:
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:07 am

slimmouse wrote:But the information below is what I find really interesting. And not surprising at all, at all. One of the many useful purposes served by ISIS to its makers, is that it paves the ground for the sectarian / religious warfare across the Arab world that Israeli strategists have been saying for decades is so vital to Israel's "security".


Thanks for the links Alice. But with due respect this isnt especially about Israel.


Well, it is and it isn't. For a long time, I've been meaning to put together a big post that outlines the big picture as I see it, and the motivations and role of the various global, regional and local players in the Middle East. It's a kind of road map, a guide to the perplexed that's I've found very useful in understanding and even predicting the actions of the different players. Contrary to many other theories, it is predicated on the premise that all actors behave rationally and are driven by their own interests as they perceive them. I don't believe that anybody involved is crazy, and that they only seem so when certain crucial facts are left out or ignored. As I said, I've wanted to write it for a while; since last summer in fact. I have a lot of respect for people here, but when I popped in to check the discussion about Israel's bombing of Gaza last summer, it was clear that everybody here totally missed the real story, and how it fits neatly into everything else that's happening across the region. So, like I said, it is and it isn't. And sorry, I don't mean to tease. I will get to it, soon. And then we can discuss it.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby zangtang » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:50 am

'to put together a big post that outlines the big picture as I see it, and the motivations and role of the various global, regional and local players in the Middle East. It's a kind of road map, a guide to the perplexed that's I've found very useful in understanding and even predicting the actions of the different players. Contrary to many other theories, it is predicated on the premise that all actors behave rationally and are driven by their own interests as they perceive them.'

I'll pay money for that...............
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Jerky » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:03 am

Yes, please, full steam ahead on this. I'll promote it and republish it on my blog if you do.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:52 pm

Now I really feel pressured...but then again, pressure is a good motivator for me.

Meanwhile, a little something to break the tension: the boneheads described below sound just right. This New Yorker article is not satire, at least not intentionally, but it had me laughing out loud:

FEBRUARY 26, 2015
Did the F.B.I. Encourage Would-Be ISIS Recruits in Brooklyn?
BY JOHN CASSIDY


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The travel agency where a plane ticket was purchased for Akhror Saidakhmetov, one of three Brooklyn men charged with conspiring to support the Islamic State.
CREDIT PHOTOGRAPH BY SHANNON STAPLETON/REUTERS VIA LANDOV


August 8, 2014, was a glorious summer day in Brooklyn: the sky was clear and the temperature was in the eighties. That day, Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev, a twenty-four-year-old man who works in a kebab shop and lives in Midwood, near Ocean Parkway, went online and surfed to an Uzbek-language Web site, Hilofatnews.com, which featured propaganda about the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham, also known as ISIS, or ISIL. According to a criminal complaint filed on Wednesday by federal prosecutors, the site’s contents included videos and pictures of ISIS’s military operations in Iraq and Syria, recitations from the Koran, and “calls to join jihad within the ranks of ISIL.”

Juraboev is an Uzbek who moved to the United States—the complaint doesn’t say when—and acquired permanent-residency status. The complaint says that he posted this message on the Web site:

Greetings! We too wanted to pledge our allegiance and commit ourselves while not present there. I am in USA now but we don’t have any arms. But is it possible to commit ourselves as dedicated martyrs anyway while here? What I’m saying is, to shoot Obama and then get shot ourselves, will it do? That will strike fear in the hearts of infidels.

The complaint doesn’t say whether anyone replied to tell Juraboev that this would indeed do, or whether anybody replied at all. It does say that, seven days later, on August 15th, federal agents went to Juraboev’s apartment and spoke with him. According to Ryan Singer, an F.B.I. special agent who swore the complaint, Juraboev coöperated freely, allowing the agents to inspect his iPhone and see that Hilofatnews.com was a frequently visited site. He “acknowledged that he wrote and posted” the message on August 8th, and “further stated that he would like to travel to Syria to engage in violence on behalf of ISIL, ‘if Allah will,’ but currently lacked the means to travel there.” Juraboev went on to say that he “would harm President Barack Obama if he had the opportunity to do so, but currently does not have the means or an imminent plan to do so.”

Four days later, the federal agents returned. This time, Juraboev was even more helpful, or so the complaint indicates. After repeating that he would kill President Obama if anybody from ISIS ordered him to, he said that he would also plant a car bomb in Coney Island, “if he were so ordered by ISIL.” In addition, he provided the agents with a written statement that said, in part, “If I get a command from the Islamic Caliphate that is according to Quran … and I have the means to carry out the given command and if I can make my intention only for Allah … I will carry out! Even if that person is Obama!” Juraboev didn’t stop there. He vouchsafed to the agents that he had a friend and roommate, Akhror Saidakhmetov, who shared both his views on ISIS and “his wish to wage jihad by fighting in Syria or by engaging in violence in the United States.”

It’s not every day that F.B.I. agents get a written note from someone saying that he’s waiting for an order to kill the President or plant a car bomb, and that he has a pal who is of like mind. The agents could have arrested Juraboev on the spot, put him under oath, and sought to discover whether he was a real threat or simply a braggart. Instead, they went away again, which, evidently, surprised Juraboev. On August 26th, he had an online conversation with the Iraqi-based administrator of another Web site linked to ISIS, Islamic State News, which disseminates news and propaganda. After informing his interlocutor that he had told the F.B.I. that he was willing to assassinate Obama, Juraboev said, “Even after these words, they left me alone. Why? Because they think I am establishing a Jihadi group, or I belong to such group. … What should I do? I need to sneak out of here with extreme caution without being noticed by them.”

Based on the complaint, there is no evidence that Juraboev and his friend, Saidakhmetov, a nineteen-year-old immigrant from Kazakhstan, who worked for a company that operates cell-phone-repair and kitchenware-sales kiosks in shopping malls, were part of any larger group, or that they went anywhere near the President. Like many of ISIS’s recruits, their jihadism, if that is what it was, consisted of going online; complaining about other Muslims, including some of their family members, who didn’t adhere to strict religious rituals; and talking about flying to Syria.

A few days after last Christmas, Juraboev bought a return airplane ticket to Istanbul, departing March 29th, with the evident intention of going overland to Syria. In February, Saidakhmetov purchased a ticket for the same route, and his thirty-year-old boss, Abror Habibov, who owned kiosks in several states, picked up some of the cost. All three of the men were arrested and charged with conspiracy to provide material support to a terrorist organization. If they are found guilty, they face up to fifteen years each in jail.

It all seems depressingly straightforward, and depressingly similar to stories emanating from Britain, France, and other countries whence ISIS’s foreign fighters hail. Except for one thing: in this case, the would-be ISIS recruits were assisted and encouraged in their plans by a paid F.B.I. informant.

According to the complaint, this individual, who isn’t named, approached Juraboev at a mosque last September “while posing as an ideologically sympathetic individual.” Shortly after that date, he approached Saidakhmetov and became friendly with him, too. Over the subsequent few months, the narrative contained in the complaint makes clear, the informant spoke frequently with Juraboev and Saidakhmetov, watched ISIS videos with them, discussed their plans to join ISIS in Syria, and even agreed to go there with them. Many of his conversations with Juraboev and Saidakhmetov were secretly recorded.

On January 9th, the complaint says, the informant agreed to forge Saidakhmetov’s signature on a new travel document. (His mother, fearful that he was thinking of joining ISIS, had confiscated the original one.) A few weeks later, on January 29th, the informant called Saidakhmetov and told him that his travel documents had arrived, but that he’d have to go to the immigration office on Varick Street, in Manhattan, to have his fingerprints and photo taken. This he did a few days later.

By this stage, it seems, Saidakhmetov was planning to travel to Syria with the confidential informant. On February 17th, when the completed travel document arrived from the Department of Homeland Security, Saidakhmetov “told the CI that his soul was already on its way to paradise and made the sound of a horn.” The next day, the complaint goes on, Saidakhmetov told the informant that “he would purchase a ticket to travel on February 25, 2015, so that he could travel together with the CI.” A day later, Saidakhmetov and Habibov purchased a ticket for Saidakhmetov at a travel agency on Coney Island Avenue. Now looking forward to the trip, he “told the CI that if they were detected at the airport they could kill a police officer and use the officer’s gun to shoot other law enforcement officers that arrived on the scene, which would mean that Saidakhmetov and the CI would die an imminent death within an hour or less.”

From the complaint, it isn’t clear what role, if any, the informant played in shaping Juraboev’s plans. But he wasn’t uninvolved. On December 29th, Juraboev told the informant that he had bought his ticket to Istanbul the previous day, and said that his cover story would be that he was traveling to Uzbekistan to see relations. In a subsequent phone conversation, Juraboev, after indicating that he was speaking in code, “told Saidakhmetov he was traveling to Uzbekistan on March 29, 2015.” The complaint then goes on to say that the informant, who was also on the phone call, “stated that the CI was similarly traveling on March 31, 2015.”

It is possible to look at these conversations in different ways. One interpretation is that Juraboev and Saidakhmetov were radicalized jihadis who acted of their own accord. Another possible interpretation, which the defense may well seek to bring up at a trial, is that until the F.B.I. informant entered their lives and helped them plan a trip to Syria, saying he would go with them, the two Brooklynites were all bluster. The case “highlights everything that is wrong in how the Justice Department approaches these cases,” Adam D. Perlmutter, a lawyer for Saidakhmetov, said on Wednesday. His client had been “worked over extensively by a confidential informant,” Perlmutter added, and went on, ”He’s a kid. He’s obviously scared. He’s frightened. The ham-fisted tactics of the federal government are in play here, as usual.”

Obviously, Perlmutter isn’t a neutral participant in all this. But when you read about the case, and others involving paid informants, it makes you think.

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:27 am

My tasteless parody...cuz it's all "TPTB" anyways right?
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:37 am

Tasteless, but brilliant, 8bit Says more about our world than a landfill of 'critique'.
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby Elvis » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:13 am

The NPR-affiliated program, "Alternative Radio," which is usually among the best things on NPR (fwtw), just aired a talk by this ...expert:

Loretta Napoleoni is a leading expert on money laundering and terror financing. She has worked as London correspondent and columnist for La Stampa, La Repubblica, El País, and Le Monde. A former Fulbright scholar, she holds degrees from Johns Hopkins University and the London School of Economics. She is the author of Rogue Economics, Terror Inc. and The Islamist Phoenix.
http://www.alternativeradio.org/collect ... ts/napl001


She recounts a history of ISIS, dwelling suspiciously on Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the hyped-up boogey-man the US military hoped would inspire new terror in the hearts of Americans. She condemned colonialism and the whole mess it spawned, then concluded that the ISIS forces are the heirs to that mess and we must leave them alone to sort out the region for themselves. That's what she said.

Loretta Napoleoni (born 1955) is an Italian journalist and political analyst. She is an expert on the financing of terrorism and is known for having calculated the size of the terror economy.[1]
. . .
Napoleoni was born and raised in Rome, Italy. An active member of the feminist movement in the mid 1970s, she was a Fulbright scholar at Johns Hopkins University's Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) in Washington, D.C. and a Rotary Scholar at the London School of Economics (LSE).[2] She has a M.Phil. in Terrorism from East London, and a Master's in International Relations from SAIS.[3]

As an economist Napoleoni has worked for several banks and international organizations in Europe and the United States. In the early 1980s she worked at the National Bank of Hungary on the convertibility of the Hungarian forint that became the blue print for the convertibility of the ruble a decade later.[4]

As well as lecturing regularly on the financing of terrorism at Cambridge Judge Business School, Napoleoni advises several governments on counter-terrorism.[5] As chairman of the counter terrorism financing group for the Club de Madrid, she brought heads of state from around the world together to create a new strategy for combatting the financing of terror networks.[6]

Napoleoni lives in London, England, and Whitefish, Montana, with her husband and children.

(more:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Napoleoni




The ISIS Crisis

Program #NAPL001. Recorded in Seattle, WA on February 10, 2015.
Audio sample:

ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, is the latest chapter of the so-called war on terror. One should point out that you can’t have a war on a tactic. ISIS has displaced al-Qaeda. It is violently addressing unresolved issues relating to European imperialism and the creation of artificial borders and states. After WWII, the U.S. supplanted Britain, France and Italy in the region and became its self-appointed guardian. Washington’s footprint in the Middle East is enormous. It has created a network of allies consisting of emirs, sheikhs and generals. These leaders are despised by most of the people they rule. They are seen as puppets of Washington. Israel is isolated. Meanwhile, ISIS is growing. What is its appeal? How is it, as the Pentagon says, “tremendously well-funded”? How has it inspired attacks as far away as Ottawa, Sydney and Copenhagen?

Speaker(s):
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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:04 pm

8bitagent » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:27 am wrote:My tasteless parody...cuz it's all "TPTB" anyways right?


Tasteless? You have no idea. The latest craze over here is Egyptians of all ages and all walks of life making spoof videos mocking ISIS, and especially ISIS' super-solemn, super-scary anthem. When Egyptians make fun of you, that's bad enough. But when the belly dancers start gunning for you, it's a fact that your days are numbered (as the MB in Egypt discovered):

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Re: Your Take On The ISIS Phenomenon

Postby norton ash » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:16 pm

^^ She can dance, and I'd be part of that revolution. :thumbsup
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