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Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:12 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:10 am wrote:
kelley » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:35 pm wrote:the first two schoolly d records, 'the adventures of schoolly d' and 'saturday night--the album', are the template for gangsta. he basically invented this shit, relying heavily on the blaxsploitation omnipotence fantasies of previous african-american writers like donald goines. this man is an incredibly important american artist. nwa did nothing that schoolly hadn't done years at least four years earlier.

by 1989, rap music had reached its creative peak. the west coast rappers like nwa et al were opportunists who recognized the commercial potential in the music of their east coast forebears. i don't see their success as a psy-op; i just see it as business. cube and dre, along with tupac, were fundamental in laying the groundwork that sold an aceptable version of this music to white suburban youth, which culminated in dre's record 'the chronic'. if anything, the real psy-op came when a terrified white corporate media pulled 'yo! mtv raps' off the air in favor of the fabricated phenomenon called grunge, and pushed hip-hop back into a cartoon version of 'the ghetto' from whence whites believed it sprang, a milieu characterized mainly by repetitive, humorless depictions of bitches and bling.


Thank you.

All of this is an important counterpoint to the OP.


Holy shit I missed kelley expounding on Schooly D's history. I've been led to believe by a few other posts of theirs that we may know each other in real life.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:32 am

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Postby kelley » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:00 pm

seems like a good place to post this review

waking up today at 6 am to massed copters overhead in Brooklyn:


http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/199 ... ck-planet/


the last two paragraphs are astounding


It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back / Fear of a Black Planet
Craig Jenkins
November 25, 2014

Roosevelt, New York is a beautiful social experiment gone awry. As post-war urban renewal squeezed black families into towering inner-city housing developments and whites out into their sprawling suburbs, this hamlet near the south end of western Long Island’s Queens bordering Nassau County served as a template for suburban integration. Blacks and whites cohabited there for years until real estate agents’ racist scare tactics pushed white families to sell at a loss and funneled new black ones into the same homes at inflated prices. The city's methodical transformation would have a profound effect on Nassau local Carlton Ridenhour, better known as Chuck D. On the short trip from home to nearby Adelphi University, where he studied graphic design, Chuck could watch the soft segregated lower-middle-class black community of Roosevelt give way to golf and country clubs for the affluent, predominantly white Garden City, home to Adelphi and a pair of prestigious prep schools. First-hand experience of racialized contempt, along with a rich education from civil rights activist parents, sparked a righteous ire in Chuck that would burn hot and bright in the following years.

Public Enemy formed around Chuck’s gig at Adelphi’s student radio station, gaining momentum as he and his friends’ forays into rap music grew increasingly accomplished. Their squelching, skeletal "Public Enemy No. 1" won a fan in Def Jam co-founder Rick Rubin, kicking off a lengthy courtship of Chuck, sidekick Flavor Flav, DJ Terminator X and producers Hank Shocklee and Eric Sadler. Two years later, the group caved and signed with the label. A debut album (1987’s Yo! Bum Rush the Show) and a package tour with Run-D.M.C. and LL Cool J followed. The music was boldly gritty, if a touch late to the party, scooped by advances in landmark singles by Big Daddy Kane and Eric B. & Rakim released the same year. The live show was gripping, Chuck and Flav stalking the stage as "Minister of Information" Professor Griff cut in with searing political diatribes and the S1w’s, the group’s security detail, performed silent combat exercises with toy rifles in the background. It was black power theater. It shocked American audiences cold. Concerns about P.E.’s image and intent quickly arose: Were they gangsters? Terrorists? Separatists? Yo! stalled out around 400,000 units sold, a modest turnout in the wake of the Beastie Boys’ blockbuster Licensed to Ill, and Public Enemy entered into a contentious dance with the media that would precipitate their greatest successes and their darkest hardships.

In retrospect, Yo! Bum Rush the Show was a blueprint. What came after it was the work of a well-rehearsed unit keenly aware of its purpose and capabilities. Released the following summer, Public Enemy’s sophomore album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back was a brash refinement of the themes of Yo! and a jab at the jaws of detractors, high and low. "Bring the Noise" and "Don’t Believe the Hype" railed against the press, holding up the lurid sensationalism surrounding the group as a warning against trusting anything you read. "Caught, Can We Get a Witness?" is a nightmare where P.E. gets nabbed for sampling. (More on that later.) Nation teemed with a didactic social consciousness too. "She Watch Channel Zero?!" strikes out against junk television, while "Night of the Living Baseheads" addresses the crack epidemic, and "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos" leads a draft-dodging conscientious objector through a vengeful jailbreak. Chuck’s booming ministerial baritone sparred with Flav’s piercing yawp in a masterful hero-and-sidekick interplay. The message couldn’t entice the masses without the levity; the levity was gimmicky without revolutionary grit giving it weight.

Nation found a way to expound on the explosive soundscapes of the debut without exhausting listeners or cluttering the mix. Chuck, Sadler, and the Shocklee brothers’ production as the Bomb Squad was as thick as its source material was diverse; it was rap, soul, rock, funk and musique concrète all at once. "Most people were saying that rap music was noise," Hank Shocklee told Rolling Stone in 1989, "and we decided, ‘If they think it’s noise, let’s show them noise.’" "She Watch Channel Zero?!" pulls its central riff from Slayer’s thrash classic "Angel of Death". "Night of the Living Baseheads" outfits a stable of trusty James Brown samples with over a dozen assorted soul and rap tidbits and bridges, folding in elements of ESG’s "UFO" and David Bowie’s "Fame". Snippets of legendary speeches from Jesse Jackson and Malcolm X and stage banter from Public Enemy’s successful European tour formed connective tissue between songs for a unified listening experience that only let up briefly in the middle and finally, at the end. The Bomb Squad built beats like ships in a bottle, delicately stitching tiny pieces of black history into layered blasts of sound. Public Enemy looked and sounded a fright to the uninitiated, but careful attention showed every piece of this black radical machine moving in perfect concert.
Nation of Millions netted Public Enemy the elusive American audience and platinum sales their debut couldn’t, and it changed the face of rap music. The hip-hop landscape of ‘89-’90 was dotted with sample-heavy sons of Nation. Chuck sent early copies of the album out west to Dre and Ice Cube, and N.W.A.’s landmark Straight Outta Compton cropped up like a gangsta rap rejoinder to the Bomb Squad ethos. (Cube would later tap the team for production on his post-N.W.A. solo debut AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted.) De La Soul’s 3 Feet High and Rising and the Beastie Boys’ Paul’s Boutique added a playful, psychedelic charm to the proceedings. Nation’s message of black self-sufficiency resonated through the proudly Afrocentric art of A Tribe Called Quest, X Clan, Brand Nubian and more. Beyond the '80s, the music of Nation of Millions would continue to find new life in unexpected places: Weezer’s 1996 comeback single "El Scorcho" nicked its "I’m the epitome of public enemy" barb from "Don’t Believe the Hype", and Jay-Z’s 2006 post-retirement salvo "Show Me What You Got" is a nod to Nation’s "Show ‘Em Whatcha Got". (Without Public Enemy we don’t get Kanye West; in addition to sampling the Long Island legends liberally, Kanye inherited a bit of his fearless politics and kitchen sink beat construction from here.)

Critics warmed to Public Enemy in the wake of It Takes a Nation of Millions but remained suspicious of their political affiliations. "If Farrakhan’s a prophet my dick’s bigger than Don Howland’s," Village Voice scribe Robert Christgau quipped in a year-end roundup, "but that doesn’t make Nation of Millions anything less than the bravest and most righteous experimental pop of the decade." Others would be less warm as Professor Griff’s incendiary ethics began to strike sour notes. He publicly accused white America of bestiality during a press-filled gig at Rikers Island in 1988 and voiced a shocking disdain for Jews and gays in various interviews overseas. In the spring of 1989, Washington Times scribe David Mills sat Griff down and coaxed out a rant charged with cold, ugly hate speech that would quickly torch the group’s reputation on both sides of the Atlantic.

Privately, Chuck struggled with how to respond to the controversy. At first, he stood by Griff, then he announced Griff’s expulsion from the group, then, amid a growing media firestorm, he disbanded Public Enemy entirely. The hiatus was short-lived. Spike Lee’s blistering racial relations passion play Do the Right Thing debuted a week after the firestorm with a new Public Enemy song as its theme. "Fight the Power" summarized the mood of both the film and the climate it was released into. It telegraphed the tense discomfort of a New York summer where innocent youth from Central Park to Bensonhurst would pay the ultimate price for being black in the wrong place at the wrong time. By July, the seemingly inactive group had a #1 Billboard rap single, and work was quietly underway on a Nation of Millions follow-up.
Fear of a Black Planet from 1990 made kindling of the previous summer’s anti-Public Enemy sentiment, quoting the group’s biggest critics in interludes and ribbing them in the songs. "Contract on the World Love Jam" weaves negative news reports into a scene-setting intro; later "Incident at 66.6 FM" sets outraged calls from a Chuck D squareoff with New York political radio host Alan Colmes over sedate keys and drums, playing the grumps for squares without even responding to their charges. A late album Terminator X showcase snarkily titled "Leave This Off Your Fuckin Charts" is a tenacious dare. Elsewhere, Fear pulls the camera off P.E. to speak to community issues. "Anti-Nigger Machine" and "Who Stole the Soul?" levied heavy accusations of censorship while "911 Is a Joke" explored black community police mistrust and "Fear of a Black Planet" tackled apprehension about interracial dating. Sourcing Public Enemy’s media struggles back to age-old racial strife was a brash, heavy-handed play, but Fear’s genius trick was coating its righteous rage in music that aimed to groove where earlier songs seemed to want to maim.

Fear of a Black Planet finds the Bomb Squad at the height of their powers, assembling deeply intricate grooves out of infinitesimal building blocks. "Pollywannacracka" cycles through a breakneck array of sounds inside of its first 10 seconds and modulates between spacious verses and a jam-packed chorus, bubbling into bedlam whenever Chuck stops rapping. "Fight the Power" manages to cram over a dozen different samples into five minutes of shockingly smooth funk. What sets these songs apart from the last batch is that their structure was often as varied as their list of ingredients. They didn’t just modulate between similar verses and choruses. These compositions breathed, moved, changed from one refrain to the next, from one second to the next. A new sound showed face on every listen. Fear of a Black Planet deftly stated the case for hip-hop as savvy collage art rather than pastiche. Sure, they borrowed liberally from pre-existing music, but these patchwork symphonies bore scant resemblance to their source material.

It should be noted that none of this can ever happen again. Biz Markie was sued over an unauthorized sample in 1991, and the judge’s ruling required future producers to seek the original artist’s clearance before incorporating a sample into a new composition. Overnight it became forbiddingly difficult and expensive to incorporate even a handful of samples into a new beat. The nightmare of "Caught, Can We Get a Witness?" had become the hard reality. Producers scaled back their creations, often augmenting one choice groove with a bevy of instrumental embellishments. This is how we arrive at the lush live band pomp of West Coast G-funk, the cold synthetics of early 2000s East Coast rap, and the gothic textures of Southern crunk and trap. The early Public Enemy masterpieces remain unique and inimitable now, relics of a world irreparably changed though in a few notable ways, very much the same.

The strife that birthed Nation of Millions and Black Planet is mirrored in some of the upheaval of 2014. The business of hip-hop has changed, as free mixtapes have supplanted retail albums as the chief method of kicking off a rap career. Artistic freedom can evaporate at the drop of a gavel. (see: Lord Finesse’s pursuit of Mac Miller for borrowing a beat on a free release.) Hip-hop has again had its political mettle tested by social injustices too systemic to deny. Returning to It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back and Fear of a Black Planet for these just-released reissues is an encouraging reminder of what a hip-hop album can be to the world, a peek back at that one time a rap act pissed square into the mouth of adversity and came away unscathed. Hear the drummer get wicked.
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Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:35 pm

I totally stand corrected from the speculative OP I started five years ago. I wanna see the movie Straight Outta Compton at some point because NWA was one of my favorite groups growing up.

Anyhow, this is a good story about Compton in the 80s in the NYT. Very interesting actually.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/13/magaz ... f-nwa.html
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Postby SonicG » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:17 pm

Thanks for that story! My roommate and I went to Skateland in Sept. 1987 to see Kool Moe Dee and Spoonie Gee...Afro picks checked at the door before going through the metal detector...Didn't see the owner, but we were the only white people there for pretty much the entire night but didn't get any hassle at all...I think at the end of the night some high-looking older guy tried to stare down my buddy, who had long white-boy dreads actually, but in general it was a bunch of young Compton kids getting their dance on. Mentioned in the article, KDAY was an amazing AM 85% rap radio station (four HC rap songs and then one soft R&B number), and it was fun and exciting to see NWA blow up into a major act...

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Postby Luther Blissett » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:06 pm

This movie was great in my humble opinion and I think everyone on this thread would enjoy it. It couldn't have come at a better time because it's got to be one of the most visible works of art expounding on police brutality right now in a really deep and thorough way.

I saw that law enforcement was telling the press that this puts cops in harm's way. Ha.
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Postby 82_28 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:50 pm

SonicG » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:17 pm wrote:Thanks for that story! My roommate and I went to Skateland in Sept. 1987 to see Kool Moe Dee and Spoonie Gee...Afro picks checked at the door before going through the metal detector...Didn't see the owner, but we were the only white people there for pretty much the entire night but didn't get any hassle at all...I think at the end of the night some high-looking older guy tried to stare down my buddy, who had long white-boy dreads actually, but in general it was a bunch of young Compton kids getting their dance on. Mentioned in the article, KDAY was an amazing AM 85% rap radio station (four HC rap songs and then one soft R&B number), and it was fun and exciting to see NWA blow up into a major act...

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Postby 82_28 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:28 pm

He is:

Krazy D

Also Known As:Damon Trujillo, Culo Popper, Crazy D, Krazy Dee.

Before the Photo: Krazy D is from Huntington Park, a heavily Hispanic and very poor suburb southeast of LA. He was a friend of Eric "Eazy E" Wright.

"I met Eazy the same day I met Dre [at Skateland in Compton where Dre's old group the The World Class performed]. Eazy and I became real good friends" Krazy D tells me. "Bottom line, I started selling dope. I was a rapper who became a dope dealer and he was a dope dealer who became a rapper, so we just kind of blended. Eazy and I were connected on the street, and it was pretty much that way even after I left the group."

Krazy D calls himself an "original member" of N.W.A. and has a writing credit on "Panic Zone," N.W.A's first single. He is also namechecked in "8 Ball:" "Krazy D is down and in effect. We make hardcore jams, so fuck respect."


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In the Photo: As the only Latino ever photographed on an Niggaz With Attitude record, Krazy D stands out. Unlike MC Ren, Krazy D says he was actually a member of the group when the photo was taken.

"The crazy part about that photo is that everybody that was there was there because they just kinda showed up, whether it was just giving someone a ride or whatever. I know MC Chip, him and Train had took Ren up there to be in the photo shoot. And Ren wasn't even in the group at the time of the photo shoot. There's this big whole thing about original members, with Ren and Yella, they came way after."

"Not to discredit them, I think Ren's an incredible talent, a dopeass MC and he had a lotta flow and he earned his part and he did what he had to do and he's a cool cat too," D says. "Yella just kinda snuck in, even Dre could tell you too. Yella was basically there because he had an extra set of hands that knew how to run the boards, that's the only reason he came in the picture, to kinda be Dre's assistant."

After the Photo: Krazy D is probably best known for his very memorable singing part in "Dopeman," where he plays the part of an overdosed junkie's angry brother, threatening Eazy E: "Yo, Mr. Dopeman, you think you're slick..."
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Unlike Arabian Prince, Krazy D never sued to collect royalties.

"I wrote half of 'Eazy-Duz-It,' I wrote my little thing on 'Dopeman,' I never got credit for it... I read little things on the internet, people trying to say that was Eazy trying to sound like a Mexican, no, that was me," he says.

Even the "Dopeman" entry on Wikipedia says Eazy did the vocals himself — a statement offered without attribution, of course. After listening to Krazy D rap the part to me over the phone, I have absolutely no doubt it's him.

Actually, Wikipedia has been especially hard on Krazy D. Volunteer editors took his entry down after a brutal deletion discussion: "A cover is not a source. Even I can make such shit and make it a source. Who knows if it's not photoshopped," said one editor.

"If appearing in a music video made one notable, think of all the anonymous booty dancers who'd have articles here," said another, apparently unaware Krazy D is credited as the first writer on "Panic Zone," the first single by the most important rap group of all time.


Now: Krazy D lives in Las Vegas and does real estate appraisals for a living. He's been working on a wide variety of new music but hasn't released anything lately. He also says he's working on a documentary about his time in N.W.A called Ghetto Godz.


http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/kr ... se-6595047
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:37 pm

Eye-opening finisher, innit?

Actually, Wikipedia has been especially hard on Krazy D. Volunteer editors took his entry down after a brutal deletion discussion: "A cover is not a source. Even I can make such shit and make it a source. Who knows if it's not photoshopped," said one editor.

"If appearing in a music video made one notable, think of all the anonymous booty dancers who'd have articles here," said another, apparently unaware Krazy D is credited as the first writer on "Panic Zone," the first single by the most important rap group of all time.


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Postby parel » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:55 am

Dr Dre Abuse Victims Speak On Exclusion From NWA Biopic

Aug 19th 2015 | 12:35pm | Staff WriterMore Sharing Services
Just a week after rap mogul Dr Dre opened up about his storied abuse allegations, two women involved in the incidents years ago have spoken out about their exclusion from the new NWA biopic.

In a filmed interview with VladTV, R&B singer Michel’le who was previously engaged to Dre and also shares a son with him, said she was not surprised for not being mentioned at all in Straight Outta Compton.

"Why would Dre put me in it? If they start from where they start from, I was just a quiet girlfriend who got beat up and told to sit down and shut up," Michel'le said.

While she admitted she does plan to see the film, she knew that her involvement with Dre would not be covered.

"My part has no value to probably what they really want to talk about."

Meanwhile, US rapper and journalist Dee Barnes who was attacked by Dre at a 1991 release party, has seen the new biopic and penned an essay for Gawker about her thoughts.

"That event isn't depicted in Straight Outta Compton, but I don't think it should have been, either," writes Barnes.

"The truth is too ugly for a general audience. I didn’t want to see a depiction of me getting beat up, just like I didn’t want to see a depiction of Dre beating up Michel’le…"

"But what should have been addressed is that it occurred. When I was sitting there in the theater, and the movie’s timeline skipped by my attack without a glance, I was like, ‘Uhhh, what happened?’ Like many of the women that knew and worked with NWA, I found myself a casualty of Straight Outta Compton's revisionist history."

Barnes believes Dre should own up to what he did and that in her opinion, the film only covers what the group want to cover.

"He should have owned up to the black eyes and scars he gave to his collaborator Michel'le. And he should have owned up to what he did to me. That's reality."

"Straight Outta Compton transforms NWA from the world’s most dangerous rap group to the world's most diluted rap group. The biggest problem with Straight Outta Compton is that it ignores several of NWA's own harsh realities. That's not gangsta, it's not personal, it's just business."

It has also been reported that the daughter of the late NWA member, Eazy E has stated her intentions to produce a documentary about her father, as she feels Straight Outta Compton left vital parts of his story out of the film.

Meanwhile, not only has the biographical film smashed box office expectations and broken a few records, Dre's first album in 16 years, Compton, which was inspired by the movie topped the Australian charts last week and pulled in some massive streaming numbers through Apple Music.

The album garnered 25 million streams in its first week and sold nearly half a million downloads through the iTunes store.




I keep trying to hyperlink to Dee Barnes' Gawker article which is much more detailed, but it's not working. so I'll just post the link here.
http://gawker.com/heres-whats-missing-f ... 1724735910

"Accurately articulating the frustrations of young black men being constantly harassed by the cops is at Straight Outta Compton’s activistic core. There is a direct connection between the oppression of black men and the violence perpetrated by black men against black women. It is a cycle of victimization and reenactment of violence that is rooted in racism and perpetuated by patriarchy. If the breadth of N.W.A.’s lyrical subject matter was guided by a certain logic, though, it was clearly a caustic logic."
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