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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby km artlu » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:46 pm

It was either 1st or 2nd grade, back in the early 1950s. I had recently pushed the envelope with some older kids and affirmed that there was no Santa. Confirmed that with my mother.

Next morning in the classroom I attempted to pass this revelation along to three or four kids in the back of the classroom. One of the girls went off crying to the teacher and a confrontation soon ensued.

The teacher gathered the kids I'd been preaching to around us and insisted that I recant. Really poured on the authority to force me to admit that what I had said wasn't true.

I remember so clearly looking up at this giant and asking her, "Do you believe in Santa Claus?". She hadn't seen that coming, and for a moment she was flustered before gathering her acting chops together and firmly declaring, "Yes. Yes, I do believe in Santa Claus."

It was a moment. I just stood there locking eyes with her while some strange new knowledge settled into me. The teacher broke our gaze with a sudden shift into rage, grabbing my arm hard and hustling me into a corner where I remained until lunch.

I was never the same after that. It was revealing to write this, (thanks RI) because it made me see how definitive that incident was, how it began a pattern of rebellion that got me in perpetual and serious trouble with authority throughout my youth.
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:26 pm

"the people behind all this crap" seem to have had some of their networks and key perpetrators exposed (some of this info having been seeded in advance, possibly?)

but surely much more of the story is still obscured. Speculation regarding how this extends back in history provokes my extreme curiosity.
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby Novem5er » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:11 am

Hey, people.

It's been maybe 2 years since I've posted, and nearly that long since I've visited RI. I was a long time lurker before I ever posted, back when Jeff was still writing on the blog. Anyone remember the LATOC forum? So after the worst year of my life (this year), I've been back lurking. My wife and kids are okay, we're together, and we have a house for the moment. We suffered an extremely violent act against our family earlier this year, and it's been tough. Browsing the RI forum again has helped some nights.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

I was also identified as Gifted in late elementary school. I think I'm a lot younger than many other posters because this took place in the early 1990's. I can honestly say that the gifted program was great for me. I was pulled out of class once or twice a week and I met with other gifted students in the school. We had a very nice teacher who inspired us to think outside the box. I remember we learned about stop-animation and made our own cartoons. We had a popsicle bridge contest where we learned through experimentation. I mostly remember that we played a 20 questions kind of game, where the teacher read a prompt form this book called "Stories with Holes" and we had to figure out what happened by asking yes or no questions.

Famous example:

"Wanda lay dead on the floor in a puddle of water, surrounded by broken glass. What happened?"

We could only ask Yes or No questions, and being kids, we all tried to solve it in one question. "Did Wanda fall out of a window when it was raining and that's how she died in water and is surrounded by glass????!!"

"No."

Our teacher prompted us to ask "bigger" questions that would narrow down the possibilities. Some kid (not me) finally got the hint and asked, "Is Wanda a person?"

"No."

That got us going! I wont give away the answer for people who want to guess at it and then google it, but it taught us an important lesson. It might have been the most important lesson I ever learned in school, which basically sums up to this: ask the right questions. Looking back at it, it was Rigorous Intuition for 11 year olds.

A few years later my family moved across the country to Florida. I was still in the Gifted program, but it was much different. We didn't go on field trips to the art and science museums. We didn't really build anything. However, circa 1996, we were introduced to a budding technology called the Internet. Of course, by this time, most of us had baud modems at home, so it was nothing "new", but our gifted instruction centered on using the internet for research purposes. So, we basically did research projects of our choosing, using a mix of standard library references and web resources.

This kind of stuff is standard fare for school students now, but back in the mid-90's we were the only kids in central Florida really doing this kind of stuff.

Sorry, no spook stuff or ESP cards. I guess by the 90's that was all passé,

My story is pretty boring, so I'm questioning why I even posted it. I think I wanted to show that some people have had a positive experience being labeled gifted, at least on an academic level. I was never singled out by my peers. I was smart and went to that smart class. It turns out that us gifted folk attract each other because so many of my friends from high school or since have been gifted. Not all, but disproportionately so. For the record, being gifted did not let me spell disproportionately without right-clicking the word to spell-check it. Damn.

Because I haven't seen it mentioned here, do you know how kids are identified as Gifted now? Or at least since the late 80's. It is based on IQ score, taken from a standard test, usually the Standford Binet test. The basics is that the Stanford Binet scale has a norm score of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 points. To be considered gifted in most states, a child has to score at least two standard deviations above the norm, thus an IQ of 130 is the cut off. There are some allowances for racial bias in the test that has been acknowledged and adjusted for in some cases of low socio-economic children, etc, but that's basically it.

Now, how is a student selected to take the IQ test? Honestly, someone has to ask the guidance department to do it. So it's usually up to a teacher to say "hey, this kid seems a little different." The problem is, a lot of teachers think that the gifted kids are just the smart kids with good grades, when in fact, it is often a disruptive, underachieving child that is gifted. I was selected when I went from quiet and good student to suddenly a mouthy, brash kid who hated school. Supposedly I broke my dear teacher's heart when I turned on her emotionally. I was her sweet student and then, one month, her greatest stress. I'm blessed that she didn't hate me, and in fact, recognized that I was special and needed something more.

This post got rather long, so I guess I had a lot to say on the matter. I will close with this. Over my years as being gifted and knowing many other gifted folk, I've recognized a trend. We gifted few do a much better job at synthesizing, which is an academic term they use in schools now that means "taking bits from existing sources and creating something new and original". We can synthesize term papers, works of art, or even world views. It's a lot like what I shared earlier with the Stories with Holes; asking the right questions to arrive at a new way to view a situation.

Unfortunately, most gifted people take this ability for granted as something that is normal and easy to do. Thus our frustration in dealing with a lot of other people.
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby norton ash » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:03 am

It's a fish called Wanda. Or Whitney Houston. Welcome back.
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Postby zangtang » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:10 pm

'I must warn you, I used to box for Oxford.........' (!)
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby Novem5er » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:24 pm

norton ash » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:03 am wrote:It's a fish called Wanda. Or Whitney Houston. Welcome back.


You got it; and thanks for the welcome!
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby stefano » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:47 am

km artlu » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:46 pm wrote:I remember so clearly looking up at this giant and asking her, "Do you believe in Santa Claus?". She hadn't seen that coming, and for a moment she was flustered before gathering her acting chops together and firmly declaring, "Yes. Yes, I do believe in Santa Claus."

It was a moment. I just stood there locking eyes with her while some strange new knowledge settled into me.


That is awesome. It might be, after all, that some of these programmes were started by people who realised that there are kids you just shouldn't leave in the hands of the conformists. That's not how the power elites raise their children, and that's not how the people who become their agents are raised, generally.

I had a similar moment, a bit older, maybe 10? When I asked a Sunday School teacher whether Hindus and Buddhists were all going to hell. "Yes," she replied, and couldn't really put together why that was, or why we should worship the God that made those rules. I twigged that she was more out of her depth than I was, and started noticing more and more that grown-ups, most of the time, are just winging it. Maybe that knowledge helped - I've done pretty well confidently taking on jobs that have been above my level of competence, and bluffing my way through them knowing that just about everyone is doing the same thing.
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby guruilla » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:47 pm

This is a pretty remarkable thread. I don't know if I have much to add to it but I wanted to bump it. Also to second Luther B's question to Jeff W, as the original generator of this morphogenetic field, like attracting like and all, I would guess that the curious correlation of personal narratives here would have something to do with him.

I have no memory of being singled out as gifted, tho those of you who've seen the Occult Yorkshire thread know that something weird was definitely afoot in those formative years, and that I somehow ended up at a Fabian school with a pentagram for its sigil. I skipped a year there due to odd timing of arrival but when i left after two terms went back to first year at a public (ie private!) school for boys called Pocklington. I've written on and off about my experience there because it was truly formative, in common with several people here, it was how I quickly learned just how meaningless, insane, duplicitous, and basically useless the system was and developed countless ingenious ways to not cooperate with it without getting thrown out. I was certainly given special treatment, and it was partly because i was seen as gifted, but the treatment had nothing to do with trying to harness my skills and everything to do with leaving me alone and to my own devices. I was seen as basically untrainable, not even a rebel (rebels have to be broken in like bucks in case they stir up the other livestock) but just an anomaly.

I do have a vague memory of trying out those ESP cards, but right now I can't place when and where. I have a feeling it was something I did by my own volition, but where I would have got the cards I have no idea. Hmmm....

The phrase "by my own volition" suddenly sticks out like a baboon's ass...
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Postby semper occultus » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:10 pm

...how interesting,,,,,both Greg Bishop and his guest John Fenderson on this Radio Misterioso podcast find they were both on "gifted" children programmes - discussed at 18:30 mark onwards...

http://radiomisterioso.com/2015/09/05/john-fenderson-and-adam-gorightly-perception-magick-and-the-missing-fundamental/

http://radiomisterioso.com/?powerpress_pinw=2883-podcast
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:12 pm

So apparently the "realization" going on in this thread that the gifted classes were more about filtering, containment, psi, and things like that, and not about nurturing nascent intelligence, has popped up elsewhere online. There seems to be an intersection here with guruilla's Strieber/Fabian Schools/etc. material...
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby semper occultus » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:27 pm

Many of the innovators who are advancing science, technology and culture are those whose unique cognitive abilities were identified and supported in their early years through enrichment programmes such as Johns Hopkins University's Center for Talented Youth — which Stanley began in the 1980s as an adjunct to SMPY. At the start, both the study and the centre were open to young adolescents who scored in the top 1% on university entrance exams. Pioneering mathematicians Terence Tao and Lenhard Ng were one-percenters, as were Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and musician Stefani Germanotta (Lady Gaga), who all passed through the Hopkins centre.

....Lady Gaga... :zomg

http://www.nature.com/news/how-to-raise-a-genius-lessons-from-a-45-year-study-of-super-smart-children-1.20537
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Re: any "gifted" folks here - need stories @ curriculum

Postby Kristine Rosemary » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:25 am

... great thread and thanks for starting it. xoxo
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