Security Theater ("Crisis Actors")

[Iamwhomiam]

I agree, Searcher, but I can't buy that the 911 guy was anything more than some guy among millions in NYC who had the same feeling, that OBL caused it. I suppose though, you could say that they too were influenced by the boob tube.

[jingofever]

There is a whole mini subculture on Youtube of people who assert that there is a Flat Earth surrounded by a mile high ice wall guarded by the UN.

Sounds like the Night's Watch from Game of Thrones.

[82_28]

Searcher wrote:

Does this mean that I discount "Wag the Dog" scenarios? Not at all. Like the 9/11 guy "Osama Bin Laden probably did this". I think Wag the Dog requires control and insertion and very few, intensively coached actors (a la Babies in Incubators!) to minimise people going off script.

I was watching the news this morning (CBS) and they had a bit story about the professionals who do the make up for actor victims in "drills" and how real they try to get the injuries to look -- the art of it. I would imagine that the people who do this shit, no matter what happens, they're just doing their jobs and will always look at it as so.

[BrandonD]

I don't buy it. I don't doubt crisis actors exist, but one must ask to what purpose?

What purpose would 'faking' Sandy Hook serve and what purpose did 'faking' Aurora serve? Boston Marathon? We recognize the trauma of such events and feel some strong emotional impact, but for what purpose?

Seriously, what immense or subtle changes took place after any such event?

Folk are quick to point to "crises actors" and claim fakery, but why? Without knowing the "Why?" we, know no more than a "traumatized victim," that a supposedly horrific event took place that leaves us shocked by what we've witnessed. There must be some purpose shocking us so serves, no?

There is one clear result that comes from shocking and horrifying the general public, which is that a great number of us become more malleable to the will of our authority figures. If I'm not mistaken, this is the fundamental premise behind trauma-based mind control.

Regardless, the particulars of the "why" question often cannot be answered, because we are not privy to all the facts, we are not on the inside.

Establishing the truth or falsehood of a claim can often help shed light on the "why" question, whereas simply asking why tends to discourage investigation.

[tapitsbo]

do operatives employed to push a false narrative about crisis actors count as crisis actors themselves?

[Nordic]

I don't buy it. I don't doubt crisis actors exist, but one must ask to what purpose?

What purpose would 'faking' Sandy Hook serve and what purpose did 'faking' Aurora serve? Boston Marathon? We recognize the trauma of such events and feel some strong emotional impact, but for what purpose?

Seriously, what immense or subtle changes took place after any such event?

Folk are quick to point to "crises actors" and claim fakery, but why? Without knowing the "Why?" we, know no more than a "traumatized victim," that a supposedly horrific event took place that leaves us shocked by what we've witnessed. There must be some purpose shocking us so serves, no?

There is one clear result that comes from shocking and horrifying the general public, which is that a great number of us become more malleable to the will of our authority figures. If I'm not mistaken, this is the fundamental premise behind trauma-based mind control.

Regardless, the particulars of the "why" question often cannot be answered, because we are not privy to all the facts, we are not on the inside.

Establishing the truth or falsehood of a claim can often help shed light on the "why" question, whereas simply asking why tends to discourage investigation.

Interesting point. Because look at what has happened in the field of "police violently abusing black men".

It wasn't that long that Rodney King, who was drunk and speeding and trying to evade arrest, got the shit beat out of him BUT NOT SHOT by a bunch of white cops. The cops walked and the city of LA burned. I was there for it. It was intense.

2 days ago I saw a video of a white cop emptying a gun into a black man in a wheel chair, killing him. His corpse slithered out of the wheelchair onto the ground. Broad daylight, right there, yer basic snuff film.

And nobody even noticed. I shared it on FB and nobody even commented. I didn't see it anywhere else. Honhum, another video of a black guy getting murdered.

I'm not saying these people are crisis actors, clearly they aren't, but the population certainly is conditioned to this now. Like we're getting used to school shootings. And constant war.

[Iamwhomiam]

I don't buy it. I don't doubt crisis actors exist, but one must ask to what purpose?

What purpose would 'faking' Sandy Hook serve and what purpose did 'faking' Aurora serve? Boston Marathon? We recognize the trauma of such events and feel some strong emotional impact, but for what purpose?

Seriously, what immense or subtle changes took place after any such event?

Folk are quick to point to "crises actors" and claim fakery, but why? Without knowing the "Why?" we, know no more than a "traumatized victim," that a supposedly horrific event took place that leaves us shocked by what we've witnessed. There must be some purpose shocking us so serves, no?

There is one clear result that comes from shocking and horrifying the general public, which is that a great number of us become more malleable to the will of our authority figures. If I'm not mistaken, this is the fundamental premise behind trauma-based mind control.

Regardless, the particulars of the "why" question often cannot be answered, because we are not privy to all the facts, we are not on the inside.

Establishing the truth or falsehood of a claim can often help shed light on the "why" question, whereas simply asking why tends to discourage investigation.

Seeking motive discourages investigation?

I agree with what you wrote in your first two paragraphs, and all up to the comma in your last. The effects upon the masses from a genuine mass murder would be the same as in a just as deadly supposed staged event.

Their acts seek to draw attention for whatever purpose and accomplish this through trauma; the more severe, the better they and perhaps their cause will be remembered.

Always, in every case the "why" question prompts investigation because determining motive is important to adjudging guilt. No motive and perhaps we have a madman acting out their fantasy, murderously. Some would say all murderers are madmen, or at least temporarily insane. If indeed the murderer is insane, does our trauma serve any purpose?

We witnessed a loss of civilian rights immediately after the Marathon Bombing, so I can see some glint of a possible "why?", at least in the minds of those professing the event was staged. As to "making us more malleable to the will of our authority figures," what is "the will" of our authorities regarding Sandy Hook, or the Aurora shootings. If to make us more malleable, for what purpose?

An "authority figure" already possesses the power to influence, so I see nothing of lasting impact imposed upon the masses after these last two tragedies.

I also accept the possibility, perhaps probability some would say, that it's all part of an agenda. But all agenda have a focus. So what's the endpoint of our being made malleable through trauma? To take away our guns, some would say. Others might say to diminish our value of humanity. I certainly don't know.

And we're right back to "Why?"

(It is very difficult for me to organize my thoughts more coherently. I hope my writing makes some sense.)

[BrandonD]

Seeking motive discourages investigation?

I agree with what you wrote in your first two paragraphs, and all up to the comma in your last. The effects upon the masses from a genuine mass murder would be the same as in a just as deadly supposed staged event.

Their acts seek to draw attention for whatever purpose and accomplish this through trauma; the more severe, the better they and perhaps their cause will be remembered.

Always, in every case the "why" question prompts investigation because determining motive is important to adjudging guilt. No motive and perhaps we have a madman acting out their fantasy, murderously. Some would say all murderers are madmen, or at least temporarily insane. If indeed the murderer is insane, does our trauma serve any purpose?

We witnessed a loss of civilian rights immediately after the Marathon Bombing, so I can see some glint of a possible "why?", at least in the minds of those professing the event was staged. As to "making us more malleable to the will of our authority figures," what is "the will" of our authorities regarding Sandy Hook, or the Aurora shootings. If to make us more malleable, for what purpose?

An "authority figure" already possesses the power to influence, so I see nothing of lasting impact imposed upon the masses after these last two tragedies.

I also accept the possibility, perhaps probability some would say, that it's all part of an agenda. But all agenda have a focus. So what's the endpoint of our being made malleable through trauma? To take away our guns, some would say. Others might say to diminish our value of humanity. I certainly don't know.

And we're right back to "Why?"

(It is very difficult for me to organize my thoughts more coherently. I hope my writing makes some sense.)

Thanks for the response, what you're saying does make sense.

I don't pretend to know how often "staged" events occur. Or even if they occur at all. I only think that it appears plausible and likely that it does happen.

If a man discovered that by terrorizing his wife or his children they would become more obedient to him, then a man lacking empathy or concern for the consequences might turn to terrorizing them at every opportunity. This does not mean that he has some overarching plan behind his terrorization, he simply turns to that method when he expects to encounter resistance.

That method of terrorization is probably even harmful towards the man himself in the long run, but as mentioned, he is not concerned with the long-term consequences, he simply wants what he wants at that moment.

I think this is part of the story, powerful men with very low-minded goals related to greed and power, some of these goals even being contradictory to one another - and utilizing a method that they've discovered will lower the force of opposition to whatever they want to achieve.

I also think there is also a deeper, more incomprehensible or "spiritual" side to this story, but I don't think that it can be put into words so easily. Organized religion and its portrayal of good and evil has poisoned most of the terminology that we might use to discuss these kind of subjects. Even that word "spiritual" needs to be put in quotes because of all the baggage it carries.

[beeblebrox]

Say, beeble, what evidence?

I can tell by the cut of your jib that you are a clever monkey, and I do not think you are at all serious with your request for evidence. Never-the-less, for others who may be interested I recommend the following video about Sandy Hook:



And this video about the Boston Marathon:



Both vidoes are long and in need of some editing, but if you stick with them it is well worth it, IMO.

[Iamwhomiam]

Thank you, beeble, and welcome back. I will do my best to find time tomorrow to view the videos and will try to respond then with any questions. (I think I caught some of the first, but that was quite awhile ago.)

[SonicG]

I find it fascinating that Halbig leads to stuff easily summed up by:



Somewhere it says that Halbig is talking in front of a bunch of sheriffs or deputies, to give him more gravitas. Given what we definitely do know regarding how intelligence agencies work, I think it is much easier to believe a nebulous influence on how these shootings are discussed, and especially on the fringes of that discussion. Isn't it so much easier to imagine some (a lot?) fat white agents infiltrating conspiracy groups than paying out to hundreds of normal citizens, as well as numerous free houses and whatever else, expecting that absolutely none of these people will turn out to be brave and conscientious...its absurd and a lot of this stuff ties in with the Sovereign Citizen nutters, which is also appealing to persons who are easily fooled (flag fringe matters!) and certainly just as infiltrated...If it weren't for WWIII on the horizon, I'd expect some kind of Waco to happen again...

ETA: This link from the corresponding thread is illuminating in this regard.
Sheriff In Charge Of Oregon Massacre Probe Posted Sandy Hook Truther Video
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/j ... ok-truther

[Jerky]

I think one way to understand Halbig's role in all this you can glean from this simpatico report about his recent activities:

Wolfgang Halbig Greeted by Silence, Scorn in Sandy Hook

SANDY HOOK, CONN.—Wolfgang W. Halbig, who garnered international attention when an audio interview he had done with this reporter was released to the public, traveled to southwestern Connecticut May 5-6 to demand answers to his “16 simple questions.” His trip was funded by individual contributors from around the globe who distrust the official account of what happened on December 14, 2012, in what is referred to as the Sandy Hook Elementary School (SHES) event.

The donors anted up around $18,000 to support Halbig’s quest for answers in his first public move since the fundraising website was opened just over a month ago. Halbig’s goal is to raise $100,000 in order to get the “truth” behind what happened at SHES that autumn day. He has recently raised the goal to $250,000.

- See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/wolfgang-h ... IaBec.dpuf

[SonicG]

Yes, what a surprise. A related video notes:

Jul 11 2014
As many of you may know, Wolfgang Halbig recently removed himself and the group he was running completely off of Facebook with no warning or official explanation. Leaving many people to ponder, speculate and question his true motives in relation to working to officially prove the Sandy Hook event to be a hoax and what, if anything will come of the $20,000-$30,000 that the public had donated to him to help in the cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE8YXFVMig8

Didn't watch the video because it seems to be a self-serving interview with Halbig, but the summary states:

3:00- Talk of the "script" that Wolfgang said he was given by two Connecticut State Troopers

Ahhh, the smoking gun! Wait, where is it now? One year later? Remember that Kenyan guy in Norway who had a copy of Obama's birth certificate??

[Iamwhomiam]

I just wanted to pop in to say thanks to Brandon. I'll have more to say tomorrow, but it's now become a 20 hour day and I need to crash.

[JackRiddler]

Hmmm, which seems the likelier conspiratorial scenario:

1) Hordes of natsec personnel and contractors live out their physical existences pretending to be the survivors, surviving relatives, witnesses and wounded victims of completely staged, fake homicidal atrocities, acting out roles scripted by further hordes of creative and production personnel, doing so on camera in front of millions of viewers, as part of a strategy of tension so all-encompassing and vague that it's impossible to identify what interest would be served (or at least a business model that might derive profit from this activity).

or

2) This site and the rest of the parapolitically interested research scene is being trolled online by low-wage managers of software personas (plus assorted Alex Jonestown cultists) asserting scenario 1 as so self-evident as to be worthy of sneers against those who don't believe it; thus making for a low-cost, low-risk way for (unidentifiable) institutions of PR and culture management to put the stink of insanity and inhumane lack of empathy on said parapolitically interested research scene, and solidifying the culturally hegemonic view of "9/11 truthers" and other "conspiracy theorists" as disgusting nutsos that no good person wants to know.

For scenario 2, I nominate beeblebrox.

I comprehend your meaning. Not sure how to respond except to say that I believe scenario 1 is precisely what happened at Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon. Just because you don't understand or cannot conceive of the motives of an action does not mean that action did not take place.

And I'm just applying the asinine, evidence-free logic of "crisis actors" back on those who advance it. It fits a lot better. It's only a bonus that an understandable motive can be constructed for it. The lack of self-reflection and the inability to imagine others (empathy, they call that) should be staggering. But obviously there is something normal about both. I figure that in truth, "Scenario 2" may only be literally true of, perhaps, the more courageous types of trolls who act out the role of "crisis actor exposer" in real life, like Halbig and his "donors." More likely you are merely an idiot, of the kind who have gentrified this once-interesting and now often repulsive site. Enjoy.