uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

[guruilla]

i find that his voice grates a bit, but can anyone tell me why the perception of 'corbett report' has swung 180 degrees in a couple of months or less?
- i never did catch what was tainting the bathwater but i'm pretty sure a baby is being thrown out with it.

please enlighten.....or refer me to the er......damage

(possibly off-topic but bin meaning to ask next time he came up.......)

For me it was his podcast with Keelan B, which I found iffy even when I was ready to agree that the Hampstead affair was hoax-hysteria, but which now seems to have crossed the line from sloppy journalism to disingenuousness.

I'd also be interested in other people's reasons for dissing Corbett, if the above is true, tho maybe it's too much off-topic.

[Searcher08]

Wombat, I think you need to wander beyond the confines of this board. There are literally THOUSANDS of ...

As long as we're offering advice: spend some time grappling with statistics. Seriously, I'm not saying this in a dismissive way. Taking statistics courses has changed the way I think considerably.

"Literally thousands" is equal to "literally nothing" on a planet with over a billion English speaking primates. At least, I think so. Then again, I've never been anywhere but Rigorous Intuition, so take that with a grain of salt.

Also, you have an Algorhythms fanbase numbering "literally several" (is equal to "literally something") here in Twickenham, also home of the Rugby World Cup. Coincidence? I think NOT.

[guruilla]

I have to say I am starting to feel a bit overwhelmed by this case and the mounting evidence of a cover-up that is ongoing and which we seem to be in the thick of right here at this thread. I'm a bit triggered so reason says back off and do nothing but on the other hand, this is a discussion & others are involved so I also want to keep people up to date on my discoveries. So I am risking coming out with stuff prematurely rather than sit on it and have it blow up under me.

There's a website I came across: https://dearmandoeshampstead.wordpress.com/

I have checked & this site is not affiliated with Hampstead Research/Jacqui Farmer, though Farmer has corresponded with this person.

I can't quote from the site because it relies on screenshots, but I recommend anyone interested in this case takes a few minutes to read the latest couple of posts. It makes a pretty strong case for a weird (though I suspect pretty common) sort of cyber-phenomenon of interconnecting troll-IDs whose footprints can be found all over this story & may be traceable back to a small number of "Hampstead-deniers," possibly even to just one, namely, Ricky Dearman.

I'm not saying this is the case, only that the site (& a couple of videos I watched, here's part one) do give reason to wonder. One of several highly persuasive bits of evidence this site provides is the recurring use of certain words by these apparently different commenters, including the word "conspiratard," which is a favorite of our own resident debunker, Jerky.

One of the alleged RD "sock puppets" for Dearman is Snake Logan, who has posted at the above-linked Jerky LeBoeuf blog, offering agreement and support, as well as a request to JLB to please obscure the faces of the pictures of Dearman's children.

At the Jerky blog, the one where he continues his attack on Hampstead Research, an attack that may or may not have begun at this thread (I've not researched enough to give a chronology of Jerky's debunking activities), JLB gives Jacqui Farmer’s real name, Charlotte Ward. According to Ward, she had been careful to keep this info private until she was hacked and her private details put online, she believes by individuals involved in covering up the Hampstead abuse case.

AFAIK this doesn’t mean Jerky is associated either with the hack or anyone involved in it, only that he is (in Ward’s words) “handling stolen goods.” Since we now know who Jacqui Farmer is, I found a piece by Ward that appeared in The Journal of Contemporary Religion, called "The Emergence of Conspirituality" (It's not relevant to this thread but it does provide evidence that "Jacqui Farmer" is very far from the Christian crackpot or "conspiratard" that JLB & et al. would have us see her as).

Needless to say, this is all pretty sensitive stuff from various different angles. This post isn't meant in an accusatory way. I just think there are quite a few red flags here and that anyone participating at the thread will want to look at this new material and make up their own minds about what may or may not be going on at this thread.

[Jerky]

Oh no... I've been sniffed out!

I, yer old pal Jerky, who has been participating at this board since Day One, and who was sort of "Internet Famous" between 1999 and 2005 thanks to my stint as editor of the once widely read, now sadly defunct satirico-pornographic email newsletter The Daily Dirt (over two hundred thousand daily audited readers at its peak in 2001!), who backed away from online yakkety-yak for a while after the demise of my beloved enterprise, and who started hobby-blogging a couple years back mostly to satisfy the small but rabid "diaspora" of former Daily Dirt readers who, even half a decade after I stopped writing, were constantly insisting that I do so... I, yer old pal Jerky, am a Ricky Dearman sock puppet.

Guru, you've officially lost it, mate.

By the way, the word "conspiratard" is not a neologism cooked up recently to attack the Hoaxtead knuckle-heads.

Urban Dictionary defines Conspiratard: "A paranoid shut in that believes in almost all of the conspiracy theories on the internet. Usually Alex Jones junkies even though they claim they are not. Cannot be spotted in the wild, instead seen roaming message boards and blogs attempting to spread their disease of paranoia. Should be treated with massive anxiolytics as that would end their belief in crazy stuff but that would require them to trust doctors which of course they don't (they are Illuminati mind control shills)."

In other words, it describes YOU and your ilk. THAT'S why you're running across it a lot - because when you constantly behave like a conspiratard, some people are going to call you a conspiratard. NOT because everybody is Ricky Dearman.

By the way, anybody lurking here who is interested in reading the blog post of mine in question, you can find it at this address: http://dailydirtdiaspora.blogspot.ca/20 ... tanic.html

On a serious note, now, Guru, I do urge you to seek out psychiatric help. You are in obvious desperate need of it.

J

[Elvis]

Since we now know who Jacqui Farmer is, I found a piece by Ward that appeared in The Journal of Contemporary Religion, called "The Emergence of Conspirituality"

wow... That very article about "conspirituality" has been discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36591 and elswhere on RI.

The Emergence of Conspirituality

Postby American Dream » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:36 pm
This one deserves a thread of its own:

My own comments about it are a little ways down the page.

[guruilla]

How about that.

For the record, I didn't have anything like the reaction to the article you did, tho I read it pretty fast. I didn't get anything new from it (except perhaps the yin-yang model of conspiracy lore & new agism) but my general impression was not that it was pathologizing or invalidating the beliefs it was summarizing so much as placing them in a sociological and psychological context, which is never a bad thing, IMO. Maybe that was partly since I already knew that Ward is anything but a skeptic so far as "conspiracy theories" go (I don't think she was back then either).

[justdrew]

well, you're both advised to calm down a bit at this point.

no diagnosing others

no calling others agents of nefarious intent

please take a breath folks.

[guruilla]

[TRIGGER ALERT, some graphic material]
Some of this material might have already shown up on other threads, but I think it's relevant to this one.

How London became the child abuse capital of the world: Trafficked here by gangs, prey to pimps, paedophiles and murderers... the booming trade in 'lost' children that shames us all
Daily Mail, UK, 2nd August 2014

RICHARD HOSKINS investigates how London became trafficking capital
Children are used to trick the benefits system and for sex abuse rings
A new United Nations report paints a dark picture of the British capital

London has become the hub, the epicentre for a global trafficking enterprise involving thousands of children for exploitation, sexual abuse and even, in some unspeakable cases, ritual voodoo killing, as a new United Nations report makes clear.

The head of the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, Kristen Sandberg, who wrote the report, said: ‘Hundreds of children have been abducted from their families in Africa and trafficked to the UK, especially London. Many are raped and sexually abused.’

The true figure, however, runs into thousands. In other words, there is a vast reservoir of lost children gathering in our own capital anonymously shuffled from flat to shabby flat – a dark pool feeding child exploitation and misery across the planet.

Thomas, a contact of mine in London’s Congolese community, explains how the fraud works. A child is brought into the country and stays with relatives or friends who claim the child to be their own. The child is registered for a school because this starts the correspondence needed to claim child benefit which then triggers working tax credits and other payments.

The school might never see the child because, as soon as the letters arrive, the child is moved to another family or friend who claim benefit for the same child. If the school does ask for a birth certificate it is not properly verified and there are tens of thousands of false ones in circulation.

It’s why Child Benefit is known to insiders as ‘the benefit gateway'

....

It is possible to buy sex within a few hundred yards of anywhere in Britain using adverts on the ‘ordinary’ internet. The ‘Dark Net’ is a different order of threat. A recent BBC investigation suggested ‘tens of thousands of paedophiles’ are using special encrypted software to trade and produce obscene images. It is all too plausible, and the connection with the international trade in child sex is direct.

....

However vile, sex is not the darkest end for some of these children. Some are brought here to be ritually killed.

When the torso of Adam, as we called him, was found near Tower Bridge in 2001, I knew we faced a different kind of crime in Britain. Child ritual murder. It soon became apparent to me that Adam had been held upside down and his throat cut in a ritual sacrifice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-all.html

Convention on the Rights of the Child (UN Report): http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.as ... C/GBR/CO/1

The stealth privatisation of children’s services, Community Care, Luke Stevenson, January 7, 2015

It is just over a year since the coalition Government allowed local councils to contract out their social work services and decision making for children in care, despite doubts and no firm evidence in support of this policy from the research on the short-term pilots.

And it is nine months since there was a hasty and rushed consultation about allowing the outsourcing of child protection and other children’s services.

Following media coverage last May about the government’s intentions to allow the privatisation of all children’s social work services, there was a public outcry and more than 70,000 people signed petitions opposing the government’s intentions.

The response to the government’s consultation was overwhelming, 94% of more than 1300 responses opposed the privatisation of these services.

And then something quite shocking happened. The government said it had heard the concerns and made a statement that private companies would not be able to get the contracts.

It was hailed as a victory by many. But within days the government issued a revised draft regulation. It got little media coverage and even now social workers and the public are largely unaware that private companies will be able to get contracts to provide child protection and other children’s services.

...

In England what is intended by the government is even more extreme. Not only is it planned that these companies should be able to get the contracts. It is also intended that they will not be registered, regulated or inspected when providing these services.

When the regulation which opens up children’s social services to the market place was considered in September by a Parliamentary committee Labour did not oppose it. Instead there was a statement from a Labour MP that “if people’s worse fears are realised and these measures prove to be the route to fragmentation, unaccountable, unregulated provision, riddled with conflicts of interest and dubious financial incentives, a future Government will have to repeal them. By that time, however, thousands of children might have suffered needlessly”.

This is a pretty good analysis of the concerns about what is ahead. All the more surprising, therefore, that there was submission by Labour with what is intended.

...

During the past two months I have spoken at conferences attended by what is probably in excess of 2,000 social workers. When asked, very few said they knew that children’s social work services were being opened up to the market.

It is a radical change and it seems to be moving ahead under the professional and public radar.
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/2015/01/ ... -services/

Hampstead: Why We Can't Ignore It, September 24, 2015 by Deborah Mahmoudieh (heavily trolled Hampstead researcher)

With NO evidence via thorough and prompt police investigations, the ONLY suspect called to the High Court hearing i.e. Father, is announced as "COMPLETELY INNOCENT" by the Judge - again, Justice Pauffley, who goes on to condemn the British public as "EVIL AND FOOLISH" for believing the children as is lawfully required until prompt and thorough police investigations have proven the suspects innocent.....

The High Court Judgement thereby sets a legal precedent which informs UK police that they can ignore all such crime reports from children as a "FANTASY" and that the UN Child Protection Report and the crimes it lists involving baby trafficking and ritual murder by multiple professionals in London, can equally, be dismissed and not at all taken into account to support the fact that such crimes DO and ARE happening in London REGULARLY.

The BBC gives an empathic interview with Dad as a victim of "dreadful" allegations. They show this interview at a time when children could be watching. Their interview serves to surrepticiously inform any children suffering same or similar abuse, or adult survivors of any such historical abuse, that their experiences are a "fantasy" and are utterly ridiculous and anyone who believes them is "evil and foolish".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVp0ggGnGoY

The BBC fail to acknowledge that such crimes against children DO happen. They fail to ask why EU Child Protection Directives were not followed. They fail to mention the UN CP Report. They fail to question the validity of the Court Judgement being as we have NO legal evidence to support the Judge's conclusions. They fail to provide a HELP LINE for anyone who has suffered such abuse - which they are legally required to do because all such reports can trigger buried memories among members of the viewing public. . . .

Child Protection Directives are ignored.

Allegations are discredited as "unbelievable" even with an official United Nations Child Protection Report to FULLY substantiate them.

Children are handed over to lawfully suspected abusers.

The adults who reported the abuse too are denied custody of their children, threatened and harassed by police and gagged under threat of jail.

Lawfully suspected abusers are protected and permitted to continue in their work in every British authority.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/deborah- ... nref=story

[tapitsbo]

Can't find a website that used to be one of the first results for child services in Quebec (DJP) - a site about corruption - does anyone know about this? Nevermind, the site (SOS Quebec) is down now.

a quote from the site via webarchive:

No state in the western world removes, by force, as many children from parents as Quebec. Per capita, Quebec removes 2.5 times the number of children as Sweden, 6 times as many as Great Britain, and 17 times the number in Spain.

I have met a number of people who are survivors of extreme sketchiness in this system. I'm convinced that child services type organizations are close to the centre of all the deep bad weirdness going on out there... the confluence of psychiatric hospitals and child services is also a really messed-up area - no doubt populated by many good, well-intentioned people of course

[tapitsbo]

Ahhh just looking at the comments on the Mahmoudieh video really is unsettling - it APPEARS to be really nasty gangstalking yet obviously there are wheels within wheels running off the road here so who knows

[guruilla]

Ahhh just looking at the comments on the Mahmoudieh video really is unsettling - it APPEARS to be really nasty gangstalking yet obviously there are wheels within wheels running off the road here so who knows

That's how it looks to me too. I challenge anyone to accuse Mahmoudieh of acting!

[Jerky]

Yeah, Mahmoudieh seems really upset about being accused of doing terrible things (watching kiddy porn) for someone who has spent the last year of her life accusing scores of people of doing terrible things (baby-raping, baby-eating, baby-killing, etc).

Do you think the irony is entirely lost on her, as it seems to be lost on others here at this board?

J

[tapitsbo]

something's off about the whole case and the extremely polarizing way you're commenting on it much like the commentors on Mahmoudieh's vid

this thread could explain exactly what's happened much more clearly

[Jerky]

Imagine how "upset" she'll be when people start accosting her in the street, shoving cameras in her face, chasing her down as she's trying to attend church or bring her children to school, screaming that she's a baby-fucking, baby-eating baby-killer, the way HER victims have been treated in recent months thanks to her "work", and the "work" of others like her.

J

[guruilla]

It's just you & me tapitsbo! (esp. since I have the jerkster on block)

It occurred to me last night that what's different about this case, and why people are so quick to dismiss it but also I think why it NEEDS to be discredited by TBTB, is that, like Jersey Island, it suggests the frankly unthinkable possibility that an entire community could be participating in horrendous crimes while appearing to outsiders (and even insiders not privy to the truth) as a perfectly normal, wholesome community.

I LIVED in Hampstead for four years. I loved living there & I considered it one of my core home bases. It is a small village-like community within the city of London. It's mostly for rich white people. I was able to live there by going on the dole and then convincing housing benefit I needed to live there because my elderly mother did, which was true, she did. It was also true in some sense that I "needed" to live there, because it's about the only place in London I wouldn't have gone crazy - the huge heath meant it was possible to experience being in the country whenever I wanted, and I took advantage of it almost every day. Of course, Hampstead Heath is also well-known as a "cruising" ground for homosexuals.

It is "impossible" for me to believe that something of this sort could be happening there. And yet I DO believe it, or at least, I am starting to, because I have no choice. I have seen the evidence that this can and does happen within communities, so to reject the idea that it happened in my own community is to presume some sort of "spidey sense" that would have allowed me to see past a concealment that has fooled hundreds, maybe thousands or millions of people before me. I have no reason to presume I possess such talents.

This is a long way of saying that the loud shrill voices of derision on this thread can BACK THE FUCK OFF, or they can carry on and continue to display a toxic lack of honesty & integrity in the face of what amount to massive ongoing crimes (& whether or not they are or were happening in Hampstead). It's actually all the same to me, since I don't read their rants anyway.

Moving on to some more compelling substantiating evidence for those who are genuinely interested in getting to the truth.

"There is in society a parallel universe that is very close. All of us, whether knowingly or unknowingly, have frequent contact with it. It is populated by individuals who outwardly appear to be respectable, law abiding and not infrequently influential, and even popular members of society. They are found in all professions and they sexually abuse children, some in ways that are almost unimaginably extreme."

Middleton et al Institutional abuse and societal silence: An emerging global problem
http://anp.sagepub.com/content/48/1/22.full

. . . When we penetrate the smokescreen of controversies regarding false accusations, ‘recovered memories’, ‘recanters’, references to ‘satanic ritual abuse’ and the incorporation of elements of cultural myths into some accounts, we are left with the reality that in the vast majority of cases it is not the over-reporting or exaggeration of trauma that is the principal problem. Rather it is society’s unwillingness to know, the perpetrators’ strongly motivated efforts to hide their criminal acts, and the relative ease they are often afforded by societal institutions and practices in doing so.

Society is replete with structures and organizations that have ‘in-house’ arrangements for how matters pertaining to abuse and exploitation are ‘managed’ and covered up. These become channels for perpetrators seeking to avoid accountability. It has generally been the case that women and children have had the least real protection, in that they are particularly vulnerable to sexual abuse, whilst at the same time they are frequently characterized as unreliable or untruthful witnesses as part of the attempt to disguise abuse. Many have commented on the ways in which the sexual exploitation of a child or an adult by an individual in a situation where there is a major power differential brings with it the secrecy, the threats, the manipulation of shame and the need to discredit the victim that so characterize the incest dynamic. Dealing effectively with the major problem of incestuous families, including the substantial number in which incest is ongoing into adulthood, is a major and defining challenge for Australia and for our global community.

The Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Aspects of Child Sexual Abuse can also be conceptualized as representing a sort of ‘proxy’ investigation at two other levels. In the first instance, it is an investigation of child sexual abuse associated with institutions. While the majority of child sexual abuse occurs in families rather than in large collective institutions, the dynamics are frequently so similar that what is found with respect to ‘macro’ institutions parallels the sorts of incest dynamics endlessly seen in families. While an investigation into institutional abuses and the mechanisms that operate to protect abusers will not identify those who abuse children in family contexts, it will, if conducted properly, bring to light some intra-familial abuse. This is because there are many examples of incestuous abuse which merge with elements of organized abuse. A national inquiry into institutional abuse and its cover-up is a necessary major first step for a society that is finally grappling with the true extent of intra-familial abuse.

The second ‘proxy’ element to the Australian Royal Commission is that the sorts of institutional child sexual abuse in Australia are, we suspect, generally similar to those in many other countries. If done well, the Royal Commission’s findings in Australia may be more broadly applicable to many societies that, for a variety of reasons, have thus far baulked at establishing similar investigations in their own countries. A well-conducted and internationally supported Australian Royal Commission will provide politicians, mental health professionals, international trauma societies and national consumer organizations with compelling leverage to assist in addressing both local and international abuse.

All contemporary societies face broadly similar challenges as we awaken to the reality that widespread sexual abuse of children is an issue that has enormous societal, no less than individual, costs. While confronting to contemplate, serial paedophile abusers responsible for the abuse of many hundreds of children arguably cause more deaths and more pain than do some serial killers. Yet many child sexual abusers have managed to repeatedly offend for decades under the protective embrace of organizations that effectively sponsor their opportunities for such activities.

With the advent of the Royal Commission, Australia has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to do something of importance that stretches beyond the needs of Australians. It could come to represent an enduring global benchmark for addressing a deeply troubling aspect of humanity that is as old as civilization. In so doing, it would add a further dimension to the spectrum of basic human rights considerations. It would help spread the reach of true democracy to many who have experienced little protection from existing societal structures in respect to the hierarchical oppressors who have ruled and/or badly damaged their lives.

Propelled by accumulating evidence of sexual abuse of children by mainstream social institutions, and to extend Herman’s (1992) stages of focused public awareness, perhaps the Australian Royal Commission represents a fourth historical moment. This is one in which the populace, now digitally connected in a manner hitherto impossible, is informed by decades of trauma research that will allow comprehensive and systematic examination of the sexual abuse perpetrated on children by the very institutions that are charged with their protection.

The Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse
http://anp.sagepub.com/content/48/1/17.full