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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:33 am

Iamwhomiam wrote:It seems those in your first photograph have just surrendered their weapons, or so we're to believe. But it could also be taken as payday at the local factory. The second photograph seems to show a very few weapons compared to the number in the crowd, and the third looks like the Monday Tribune's coverage of the weekend's take in Chicago.

Propaganda works. We are all susceptible to it.


Photos can serve a number of purposes. Some provide proof, others are simply meant to illustrate. The ones above were intended to illustrate. That the Syrian Army has liberated Deraa among many other towns until recently terrorized by the foreign-backed infiltrators is not in question. Deraa's population is mainly Druze, and the people there tried to stay out of the war zone for a long time, but it eventually fell to the terrorists. A lot of those men and boys you see in the photos were forced against their will to take up arms against their government, even if the arms were neither as numerous nor as sophisticated and expensive as those sported by their captors. The Syrian government understands that, and that's why it has offered the amnesty. That's why they now rush to surrender those arms, and sign affidavits vowing never to do so again. The photograph records a moment in Syria's history, nothing more.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby zangtang » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:14 pm

just wanted to check if we're gradually dropping this thread in favour of the admittedly-now-more-accurately-titled: Russian military build-up in Syria /

- and if they could be 'twinned' or if appropriate/doable, merged?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:19 pm

well this thread is about the U.S. and the other is about Russia....and besides we have to keep Alice busy :)

Syria conflict: US air drop for anti-IS forces in Hassakeh
The US military has delivered more than 45 tonnes of ammunition to rebels fighting the jihadist group Islamic State (IS) in north-eastern Syria.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:24 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:19 pm wrote:well this thread is about the U.S. and the other is about Russia....and besides we have to keep Alice busy :)


You're doing a great job. :basicsmile

A spokesman for one of the groups, the Raqqa Revolutionaries Front, told the Reuters news agency that they had been told that the supplies were to help them launch a joint offensive on the city of Raqqa - an IS stronghold - with the Kurdish Popular Protection Units (YPG) militia.
The Raqqa Revolutionaries Front and the YPG are part of an alliance of Arab and Kurdish groups, called the Democratic Forces of Syria, whose creation was announced on Monday.


Yesterday, the news was that the Russian intercepts of the terrorists' communications were filled with desperate appeals for weapons and other equipment. Today, the weapons and equipment were delivered by the US. To the "moderates", who only last week the US itself admitted cannot be relied on or even found, for the most part.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:32 am

AlicetheKurious » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:24 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:19 pm wrote:well this thread is about the U.S. and the other is about Russia....and besides we have to keep Alice busy :)


You're doing a great job. :basicsmile

A spokesman for one of the groups, the Raqqa Revolutionaries Front, told the Reuters news agency that they had been told that the supplies were to help them launch a joint offensive on the city of Raqqa - an IS stronghold - with the Kurdish Popular Protection Units (YPG) militia.
The Raqqa Revolutionaries Front and the YPG are part of an alliance of Arab and Kurdish groups, called the Democratic Forces of Syria, whose creation was announced on Monday.


Yesterday, the news was that the Russian intercepts of the terrorists' communications were filled with desperate appeals for weapons and other equipment. Today, the weapons and equipment were delivered by the US. To the "moderates", who only last week the US itself admitted cannot be relied on or even found, for the most part.



It seems to me, being (I think) a sane human being who goes to a lot of work to be informed, that every military Veteran who got suckered into fighting the "war on terror" the last 14 years should, upon learning of this treasonous activity on the part of their own government, drop whatever they're doing, storm Washington, and drag out every one of our "lawmakers", including everyone in the White House, and throw them out on their ass. Then have them arrested. Because our government is now blatantly (literally advertising, on purpose, on CNN) giving arms TO THE ENEMY. The VERY PEOPLE we've been fighting all these years.

I mean, what the fucking fuck?? This is just unreal, the most bizarre and surrealistic thing -- you can't even satirize this shit. It's so over the top.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Phil » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:10 pm

Nordic » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:32 am wrote:
AlicetheKurious » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:24 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:19 pm wrote:well this thread is about the U.S. and the other is about Russia....and besides we have to keep Alice busy :)


You're doing a great job. :basicsmile

A spokesman for one of the groups, the Raqqa Revolutionaries Front, told the Reuters news agency that they had been told that the supplies were to help them launch a joint offensive on the city of Raqqa - an IS stronghold - with the Kurdish Popular Protection Units (YPG) militia.
The Raqqa Revolutionaries Front and the YPG are part of an alliance of Arab and Kurdish groups, called the Democratic Forces of Syria, whose creation was announced on Monday.


Yesterday, the news was that the Russian intercepts of the terrorists' communications were filled with desperate appeals for weapons and other equipment. Today, the weapons and equipment were delivered by the US. To the "moderates", who only last week the US itself admitted cannot be relied on or even found, for the most part.



It seems to me, being (I think) a sane human being who goes to a lot of work to be informed, that every military Veteran who got suckered into fighting the "war on terror" the last 14 years should, upon learning of this treasonous activity on the part of their own government, drop whatever they're doing, storm Washington, and drag out every one of our "lawmakers", including everyone in the White House, and throw them out on their ass. Then have them arrested. Because our government is now blatantly (literally advertising, on purpose, on CNN) giving arms TO THE ENEMY. The VERY PEOPLE we've been fighting all these years.

I mean, what the fucking fuck?? This is just unreal, the most bizarre and surrealistic thing -- you can't even satirize this shit. It's so over the top.


Long time lurker, very occasional poster.... I completely agree and it's just fascinating to see the sort of things that have been discussed around these parts break into the mainstream. Where will it end? Interesting times indeed.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:35 pm

Voltaire Network

Why does France want to overthrow the Syrian Arab Republic ?


by Thierry Meyssan

Looking back over the history of the French colonisation of Syria, and comparing it with the actions of Presidents Sarkozy and Hollande, Thierry Meyssan brings to light the desire of certain of today’s French politicians to recolonise this country. Theirs is an anachronistic and criminal position which is steadily transforming France into one of the most hated states in the world.

Voltaire Network | Damascus (Syria) | 12 October 2015

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:52 pm

On the 2nd of November 2010 – in other words before the « Arab Spring » - France and the UK signed a series of documents known as the Lancaster House Agreements. While the public part of these documents indicated that the two states would blend their « projection forces » (that is to say their colonial forces), the secret part of the Agreements anticipates the attacks on Libya and Syria, on the 21st March 2011. We now know that Libya was attacked two days earlier by France, causing the anger of the United Kingdom at having been double-crossed by its ally. The attack on Syria never took place, however, because its commander, the United States, changed its mind.

The Lancaster House Agreements were negotaited for France by Alain Juppé and General Benoît Puga, a hot-headed partisan of colonisation.

On the 29th of July 2011, France created the Free Syrian Army (the « moderates »). Contrary to the official communiqué concerning its commander, Colonel Riyad el-Asaad, the first elements engaged were not Syrians, but Libyan members of al-Qaïda. Riyad el-Asaad is no more than a cover, supposed to give the affair a Syrian veneer. He was chosen because he bears a similar name to President Bachar el-Assad, to whom he is in no way related. However, ignorant of the fact that the two names are not written the same way in Arabic, the Atlantist Press chose to see in him a sign of the « first defector from the régime »

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It is pertinent here to recall that Geneviève, the sister of François Georges-Picot (of the Sykes-Picot Agreements), married senator Jacques Bardoux – a member of the « Colonial Party ». As for their daughter, May Bardoux, she married the President of the Société Financière Française et Coloniale, Edmond Giscard d’Estaing, the father of the ex-President of France.

So the solution to the Syrian problem, according to the grand-nephew of the man who negotiated the French mandate for Syria with the British, is to recolonise the country.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby backtoiam » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:55 pm

I realize the two most popular mideast war threads going right now get a little confusing and I wasn't sure where to post this. I used the search function to see where SLAD put this and decided to follow. You know how this dude writes he documents with links. Click through for links.

US Rejects Hospital Bombing Investigation, Instead Smashes into Hospital in Tank, Destroying Evidence
Posted on October 15, 2015 by Robert Barsocchini

After changing its story many times, the US now admits that it intentionally threw bombs, for more than an hour, at the now famous Doctors Without Borders hospital, proving accurate the assessment of DWB staffer Meinie Nicolai, who said the US attack was “a premeditated massacre.”

Since initial US claims that the protected DWB hospital was a “Taliban stronghold” and so forth have been debunked as stupid, the US now claims it targeted the hospital because one man, a “Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence spy”, was inside.

However, Glenn Greenwald points out that the US puppet government in Afghanistan has had it out for DWB for some time because they treat patients indiscriminately, whereas US allies like Israel, for example, discriminate between patients, treating Al Qaeda fighters while targeting members of the UN-recognized Syrian government: “Israel has opened its borders with Syria in order to provide medical treatment to Nusra Front and al-Qaida fighters wounded in the ongoing civil war, according to The Wall Street Journal.”

On October 14th, an “international panel” announced that it was “ready to investigate the deadly US [hospital] bombing”, but would need “assurances from Barack Obama and the Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, that their governments [would] comply.”

The US rejected the initiative for the investigation, and instead, on October 15th, sent soldiers to smash up the bombed hospital with a tank, “destroy[ing] potential evidence” for the war crimes investigation.

To explain this, the US announced that the tank was carrying the US’s own “investigators”.

In the mean time, a whistle-blower has released classified documents on Obama’s global assassination ring that illustrate gross recklessness and confirm that almost one hundred percent of the people being killed are not actual targets – though targeting people and executing them is also criminal.

Author focuses on force dynamics, national and global, and also writes professionally for the film industry. Contact on Twitter.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby backtoiam » Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:24 pm

yeah well anyway whatever. i haven't read this guy in a long time but i just read this which i know is bullshit. he says the saudis are the richest people on the entire planet and i know that is bullshit. they are only puppets of the london, u.s., israel, whatever, financial chain and the saudi colony can get their own heads whacked off in an instant. however considering how proxy works? ya know?

the hospital got bombed but as for a couple of the links in the article above he says more people were killed in latin america than in russia world war II. maybe so. i don't know but it made me suspicious so i read the following and do not believe the saudis are the richest most powerful people on the planet.
and so it goes with info..

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perhaps he is assuming his readers will map the coordinates to their proper places. probably the case. he usually has a lot of good info.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby conniption » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:11 am

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October 19, 2015
Why Is The U.S. Silently Bombing Syria's Electricity Network?


The Aleppo power plant is a 1,000 megawatt thermal plant in five units build by Mitsubishi Heavy Industry in 1995-1998. It is situated some 25 kilometers east of Aleppo city center. During the fighting around Aleppo various electricity distribution stations were damaged and electricity in parts of the city has become scarce and unpredictable. But the main power station had so far not been hit.

The plant is in the hands of the Islamic State but there is an informal agreement between the government, which controls the distribution network, and those who hold the power generating station:

[T]he agreement of understanding pertains to the division of the electricity supply between the parties, whereby ISIS will receive 60% of the quota and the Syrian regime will receive 40%.


Both sides will have some electricity and the civilian as well as fighters on both side will be better off than without electricity. No side has a motive to destroy that plant.

But last night the U.S. coalition bombed the Aleppo thermal power plant and destroyed parts of it:

A military source told SANA that warplanes of the Washington alliance violated Syrian airspace and attacked civilian infrastructure in Mare’a, Tal Sha’er, and al-Bab in Aleppo countryside on Sunday.

The source added that the warplanes attacked the biggest electric power plant that feeds Aleppo city, which resulted in cutting off power from most neighborhoods in Aleppo city.


Just a week ago U.S. air attacks had attacked another power station and a big distribution transformer al-Radwaniye also east of Aleppo.

The electricity generation and distribution system is civil infrastructure. It is used and useful to everyone no matter what side of the conflict. After the first U.S. attack on a power station a week ago the Russian president Putin was asked about the strikes. He called them "strange":

"On Sunday, the American aviation bombed out an electrical power plant and a transformer in Aleppo. Why have they done this? Whom have they punished there? What’s the point? Nobody knows," the president said at a meeting with the Russian government members.


The Russians and the Syrians are sure that it were F-16 planes from the U.S. coalition that bombed the power infrastructure even though the coalition reports do no mention the attacks. Why are these bombings not mentioned in the U.S. coalition reports?

The U.S. claims it is only fighting the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. It accuses Russia of not only attacking ISIS even though Russia, and Putin himself, always said that ISIS is not their sole target but that supporting the Syrian government against all its enemies is the overarching aim. The Russian just snuffed out a 16 vehicle ISIS convoy. Something that the U.S. somehow never manages to do. The U.S. itself, by the way, has killed and kills some non-ISIS "moderate rebels". All its complains against the Russians are just nonsense.

But why would fighting ISIS or this or that "moderate rebel" terrorist necessitate the destruction of valuable infrastructure which serves all sides of the Syrian society?

Without the plant Aleppo city, with some 2-3 million inhabitants and refugees, as well as the surrounding areas in Aleppo governate have no electricity. The damage the U.S. bombing caused will make sure that any repair will take a long time. This will make life for people on every side of the war more unbearable and more people will leave to seek refuge in foreign countries.

Is that the purpose of the U.S. bombardment of electricity infrastructure in Syria? If not what else is this supposed to achieve?

Posted by b on October 19, 2015 at 01:49 PM


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SANA

Warplanes of US-led alliance attack power plant in Aleppo


18 October، 2015

Aleppo, SANA – In blatant violation of international law, warplanes of the US-led alliance violated Syrian airspace and attacked a power plant that feeds Aleppo city, causing a blackout in the city.

A military source told SANA that warplanes of the Washington alliance violated Syrian airspace and attacked civilian infrastructure in Mare’a, Tal Sha’er, and al-Bab in Aleppo countryside on Sunday.

The source added that the warplanes attacked the biggest electric power plant that feeds Aleppo city, which resulted in cutting off power from most neighborhoods in Aleppo city.

This transgression comes only 8 days after two F-16 warplanes belonging to the alliance targeted two power plants in al-Radwaniye area east of Aleppo city, cutting off power from the area.

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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:08 pm

Why are we surprised? "ISIS"/Daesh are monstrous terrorists, but on its best day the US is the world's supremo terrorist state, hands down. No competitors.

Without electricity, people won't be able to run their pumps, and will probably be left without water as well. No refrigerators to keep their food from spoiling. No television to stay informed about what's happening. No fans to give some relief from the noonday heat. And that's just for starters. What did the Syrian people ever do to deserve this sadism? God help them.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby km artlu » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:13 pm

Could the purpose of this destruction of infrastructure be to depopulate Syria? Or I should say to increase that depopulation?

Is it also possible that the inevitable consequence of flooding Europe with refugees serves as a secondary intention? If so, what agenda would that result advance?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:51 pm

km artlu » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:13 pm wrote:Could the purpose of this destruction of infrastructure be to depopulate Syria? Or I should say to increase that depopulation?

Is it also possible that the inevitable consequence of flooding Europe with refugees serves as a secondary intention? If so, what agenda would that result advance?



well the Palestinians have to go somewhere
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:53 am

seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:51 pm wrote:
km artlu » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:13 pm wrote:Could the purpose of this destruction of infrastructure be to depopulate Syria? Or I should say to increase that depopulation?

Is it also possible that the inevitable consequence of flooding Europe with refugees serves as a secondary intention? If so, what agenda would that result advance?



well the Palestinians have to go somewhere


Or, as the saying goes, "for every action, there's a reaction." It could very well further fuel the rise of the Right in Europe. In fact, it already is. That, in turn, will create its own backlash, a sure recipe for instability and division, within the EU and possibly even within individual member states, some of which already have secession movements. Many European countries seem to be waking up to this.
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