Russian military buildup in Syria...

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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:00 am

Finally heard about this today. They were talking about 'unusual sounds' in the cockpit recorder before the plane broke up, and unknown spike in heat signatures outside the plane. I believe it was NBC Nightly News earlier.
Never thought I'd be saying these two words, but: exotic weaponry. Which, by 2015 shouldn't really seem to exotic. I love how 'shoulder fired rocket/missile" or "bomb on board" is the only two ways a plane can be intentionally brought down according to the media.

I myself am still puzzled by the weird sync of two Malaysia 777 planes being brought down within a few months; one by unknown causes and one by Russian military proxies allegedly.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby Nordic » Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:37 am

8bitagent » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:00 pm wrote:Finally heard about this today. They were talking about 'unusual sounds' in the cockpit recorder before the plane broke up, and unknown spike in heat signatures outside the plane. I believe it was NBC Nightly News earlier.
Never thought I'd be saying these two words, but: exotic weaponry. Which, by 2015 shouldn't really seem to exotic. I love how 'shoulder fired rocket/missile" or "bomb on board" is the only two ways a plane can be intentionally brought down according to the media.

I myself am still puzzled by the weird sync of two Malaysia 777 planes being brought down within a few months; one by unknown causes and one by Russian military proxies allegedly.



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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby stefano » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:00 am

Interesting biscuit crumb from Dianne Feinstein!

Senator Dianne Feinstein, the vice chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, said it’s possible that terrorism was involved in the crash.

“I’m one who believes you cannot rule it out,” Feinstein, a California Democrat, said in an interview in the US Capitol. “We know we have a bomb that goes through magnetometers and can explode an airplane. So its a possibility.”
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:34 am

stefano wrote:Interesting biscuit crumb from Dianne Feinstein!

Senator Dianne Feinstein, the vice chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, said it’s possible that terrorism was involved in the crash.

“I’m one who believes you cannot rule it out,” Feinstein, a California Democrat, said in an interview in the US Capitol. “We know we have a bomb that goes through magnetometers and can explode an airplane. So its a possibility.”


:rofl2 that bolded sentence, in context, is so good on so many levels. Talk about give the game away, drop yourself in the shit and look a dumbass all rolled into one. Fabulous.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby stefano » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:57 am

Or maybe it's deliberate. Just saw this, too:

A midair heat flash from Metrojet Flight 9268 was detected by a US military satellite before the plane crashed Saturday in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, a US official told CNN [unnamed, so almost certainly one of those 'on condition of anonymity' jobs].

Intelligence analysis has ruled out that the Russian commercial airplane was struck by a missile, but the new information suggests that there was a catastrophic in-flight event — including possibly a bomb, though experts are considering other explanations, according to US officials.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:39 pm

jingofever » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:37 am wrote:* this post is technically on topic


No, it really isn't. So I posted my response on the Egypt thread once again, here.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:23 pm

Medecins Sans Frontieres could tell you which country bombs hospitals...

Yet another propaganda fail for the US:

Syria hospitals Russia accused of bombing don’t exist – Defense Ministry
Published time: 2 Nov, 2015 14:22
Edited time: 4 Nov, 2015 05:30


The Russian Defense Ministry has denied media reports its aircraft hit hospitals in Syria, saying the medical facilities mentioned by Western media don’t actually exist.

The Defense Ministry has checked the data presented in recent media reports, which blamed Russian aviation for hitting several hospitals in Syria, Major-General Igor Konashenkov, the ministry spokesman said in a press briefing on Monday.

Konashenkov denied the accusations, which he said were "traditionally made without any proof, without any factual backing.”

Out of six hospitals that were mentioned in the reports, only one medical facility actually exists in real life, he added.

"We’ve checked this information. It turned out that, a hospital is only present in the village Sarmin,” the spokesman said, adding that there are no hospitals and no medical workers in the other five villages named in media reports.

The Defense Ministry presented a photo of the Sarmin hospital, which was taken on October 31 after the reports emerged.

The image showed the building was intact, disproving claims it had been completely destroyed and 12 people killed.

READ MORE: US cites ‘press reports’ & secret ‘operational data’ as proof of Russia striking Syrian hospitals

Reports in several Western media outlets on October 21-23 claimed that 12 people, including doctors, were killed in a Russian airstrike on the village of Sarmin in Syria’s Idlib province. They also said medical facilities were hit in al-Eis, al-Hadher, Khan Tuman, Latamna and al-Zarba.

The Russian Air Force has performed 131 sorties over the last two days, hitting 237 terrorist targets in various Syrian provinces, Konashenkov said.

“131 sorties were carried out from the Hmeimim airbase, during which 237 terrorist targets in Hama, Latakia, Homs, Damascus Aleppo and Raqqa provinces were hit,” Konashenkov said.

In Homs, Russian warplanes have destroyed underground shelters and anti-aircraft artillery positions of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

“In Tadmor district of the Homs province, an Su-25 attack aircraft struck an IS fortified area. As a result of the direct hit, fortifications, underground shelters and terrorist anti-aircraft artillery positions, which hosted two ZSU-23 systems, were destroyed,” Konashenkov said.

According to the spokesman, another Russian airstrike wiped out a Jabhat al-Nusra command center in Latakia province, which the jihadists used to suppressed radio communications by Syrian government forces.

"In the suburbs of the city of Aleppo, an Su-34 bomber struck a camp used for training militants arriving from foreign countries. The air bombs completely destroyed an arms depot as well as the terrorists’ training infrastructure,” Konashenkov said.

Russia began a large-scale air campaign against Islamic State, Jabhat al-Nusra and other the terrorist groups in Syria on September 20. Dozens of sorties are carried out by Russian warplanes every day at the official request of the Syrian government. Link
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:04 pm

Says RT
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:41 am



Check out the videos at the link to hear for yourself how convincing the US' "evidence" is. Especially the first video, starting at 5:00 minutes. It's comedy gold.

US cites ‘press reports’ & secret ‘operational data’ as proof of Russia striking Syrian hospitals
Published time: 30 Oct, 2015 00:45
Edited time: 30 Oct, 2015 15:18


The US maintains that Russian airstrikes hit hospitals and caused collateral damage in Syria. However, when asked to provide supporting evidence, Washington said that it bases its allegations on “press reporting” and unconfirmed accounts from “civil society groups.”

“We have seen some press reporting to that end. We have seen some Syrian civil society groups says that,” US State Department spokesperson John Kirby said. He did not name any specific organization or news outlet.

Instead, Kirby stressed that the US also has some “intelligence and operational information” but he firmly refused to share it.


“I’d tell you that we have some other operational information that lead[s] us to believe that Russian targeting has not only not been focused on ISIS/ISIL but has in fact caused collateral damage and some civilian casualties, to include some civil infrastructure,” Kirby said.

When asked by RT reporter Gayane Chichakyan to “offer something more solid” in terms of evidence that would support Washington’s beliefs, Kirby said: “No, I’m not going to talk about that.”

Kirby was then asked if he thinks the evidence should be made public. In response, he stressed that he just did so.

The US State Department has also refused to say if Washington has ever shared its intelligence showing that it hit hospitals with Russia.


“I’m not going to read out our diplomatic discussions and I’ve answered your question, and I think I’ve gone as far with it as I’m going to go,” Kirby said.

In the past, the US has been forthcoming with its evidence against Russia supporting alleged attacks.

In the meantime, Red Cross personnel on the ground in Syria could not confirm or deny whether any airstrikes allegedly delivered by Russian jets had struck hospitals “in the absence of any firsthand information.”

“We’ve seen these reports as well, but in the absence of any firsthand information coming from our teams on the ground, I can neither confirm, nor deny these allegations,”
Dominik Stillhart, director of operations at the International Committee of the Red Cross, told RT. Link
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby Sounder » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:01 am

Lol, the US does not even know how to do propaganda anymore.

The US may succeed in shifting talk away from actual US bombing of the Afgan hospital and Allepo power plants, but it is costing them international credibility when all they can do is pile lies on top of other lies.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:52 am

Sounder wrote:Lol, the US does not even know how to do propaganda anymore.


:thumbsup

We're in the midst of enormous uncertainty. The glue that held it all together, in a completely lopsided fashion, has lost it's tack. The reality that emerges on the other side of this paradigm shift is up to us. They are losing control.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:43 am

Are groups like Google or the CCP in China losing control? Their grip seems a little more sturdy than the US gov currently.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby 82_28 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:01 am

coffin_dodger » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:52 am wrote:
Sounder wrote:Lol, the US does not even know how to do propaganda anymore.


:thumbsup

We're in the midst of enormous uncertainty. The glue that held it all together, in a completely lopsided fashion, has lost it's tack. The reality that emerges on the other side of this paradigm shift is up to us. They are losing control.


I agree. But look at all of us speculating on WHO THE BEST REPUBLICAN is. I don't vote no republican ever and they're already off the list at least by dint of who they consort with and vote with. But there has to be some form of central casting who is in firm command of propaganda. I can't think of any other way to control the proverbial clown car any other way. As usual, I have no idea.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:54 am

82:
But there has to be some form of central casting who is in firm command of propaganda


Invoking risk of beligerant attack from the Rigorous, I suggest that Intuition may serve to enlighten you. Listen to it.
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Re: Russian military buildup in Syria...

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:59 am

The Feinstein quote is no big reveal.
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