Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris hostage

[IanEye]

What does France at war look like?

[seemslikeadream]

^^^^^



no gentlemen this is a vicious cycle...believe me


Masters of Chaos

Torture Report

CIA asks Justice Dept. to investigate spying on Senate

[cptmarginal]

What does France at war look like?

Watching tonight: Jean-Luc Godard's Le Petit Soldat

Though obviously the scale has changed dramatically, hasn't it?

Speaking of the similarity to the Mumbai attacks, and this isn't exactly a groundbreaking observation, but the eventual unmasking of David Headley's role seems likely to have a parallel behind the scenes of these latest events. Headley even "performed a similar mission in Copenhagen to help plan an attack against the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which had published cartoons of Muhammad"

[seemslikeadream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAVl_IJV5eI

Well, if friends with their fancy persuasion
Don't admit that it's part of a scheme
But I can't help but have my suspicions
'Cause I ain't quite as dumb as I seem
And you said you was never intendin'
To break up our singing this way
But there ain't any use in pretendin'
It could happen to us any day

[IanEye]

“Battle of Algiers” is a real eye opener. It was for this eye anyway.

If you really want to blow people’s minds right now, go on facebook and link to the youtube clip that shows the French colonialists using the guillotine on the Algierian insurgent.

Yes folks, less than a 100 years ago the French were cutting people’s heads off.
Kind of puts those “grisly ISIS beheading” videos in a new perspective.

It's like those old anti-drug ads from the 80's:

"I learned it from YOU!"

[backtoiam]

backtoiam » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:37 pm wrote:
I think this one might be close enough to call. The arrows unscramble into the date 11.13.15.


elvis wrote:
That's really stretching things, c'mon.

Not in the real world...

[semper occultus]

To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.

To wrap up and be very specific, if you think that Arabs can't coordinate successful terror attacks in Europe without help -- or outright orchestration -- from white people, that's racist. My opinion. Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is a real thing. Intelligence agencies faking the work of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is also a real thing. Neither negates the other. Nobody here really has answers about the subject under discussion.

...kids huh....you feed them, school them, give them pocket money....



.and they always start growing up, start hating their parents and hanging out in weird groups to piss them off...

..that's before we get into various LIHOP scenarios, all the plots that get stopped vs the sudden "intelligence failure" that lets a big one through every few years ....

[semper occultus]

….eliminating the “grey zone”….


Paris of / in the Middle East

Posted by Derek Gregory on November 14, 2015

http://geographicalimaginations.com/201 ... ddle-east/


For as I watched Friday night’s terrifying events in Paris unfold, I had also been reminded of the horrors visited upon Beirut the evening before.

Two suicide bombers detonated their explosives in Burj el-Barajneh in the city’s southern suburbs; the attacks were carefully timed for the early evening, when the streets were full of families gathering after work and crowds were leaving mosques after prayers: they killed 43 people and injured more than 200 others.

Islamic State issued a statement saying that ’40 rafideen– a pejorative term for Shiite Muslims used by Sunni Islamists – were killed in the “security operation”’ and claimed the attacks were in retaliation for Hezbollah’s role in the Syrian war.

In the 1950s and 60s Beirut was known as ‘the Paris of the Middle East’ (above) – widely seen as more chic, more cosmopolitan than the ‘Paris-on-the-Nile’ created by Francophile architects and planners west of the old city of Cairo in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.



Now I’ve always been troubled by these city switchings – the ‘Venice of the North’ is another example – because they marginalise what is so distinctive about the cities in question and crush the creativity that is surely at the very heart of their urbanity.

And yet, after last night, I can see a different point in the politics of comparison (from Kennedy’s Ich bin ein Berliner to the post 9/11 insistence that “we are all New Yorkers…”). More accurately, in the politics of non-comparison: as Chris Graham asks (and answers): why the silence over what happened in Beirut on Thursday? Why no mobilisation of the news media and no interruptions to regular programmes on TV or radio? Why no anguished personal statements from Obama, Cameron or, yes, Hollande?

This is, of course, to re-phrase Judith Butler‘s trenchant demand: why are these lives grievable and not those?

To ask this is not to minimise the sheer bloody horror of mass terrorism in Paris nor to marginalise the terror, pain and suffering inflicted last night on hundreds of innocents – and also affecting directly or indirectly thousands and thousands of others.

In fact the question assumes a new urgency in the wake of what happened in Paris – where I think the most telling comparison is with Beirut and not with the attacks on Charlie Hebdo (see my commentary here) – because the extreme right (the very same people who once elected to stuff “Freedom Fries” down their throats) has lost no time in using last night’s events to ramp up their denigration of Syrian refugees and their demands for yet more bombing (and dismally failing to see any connection between the two). You can see something of what I mean here.

And so I suggest we reflect on Jason Burke‘s commentary on Islamic State’s decision to ‘go global’:


In February this year, in a chilling editorial in its propaganda magazine, Dabiq, Isis laid out its own strategy to eliminate what the writer, or writers, called “the grey zone”.

This was, Isis said, what lay between belief and unbelief, good and evil, the righteous and the damned. It was home, too, to all those who had yet to commit to the forces of either side.

The grey zone, Isis claimed, had been “critically endangered [since] the blessed operations of September 11th”, as “these operations showed the world” the two camps that mankind must choose between.

Over the years, since successive violent acts had narrowed the grey zone to the point where by the end of 2014 “the time had come for another event to … bring division to the world and destroy the grey zone everywhere”.



More from Ben Norton here. The imaginative geographies of Islamic State overlap with those spewed by the extreme right in Europe and North America and, like all imaginative geographies, they have palpable effects: not fifty shades of grey but fifty versions of supposedly redemptive violence.

[seemslikeadream]

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Apr-10-03, 04:14 PM (ET)
World War Three: The Players
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we are now witnessing global strife.
The triggering event occured on September 11, 2001 when it appears that four civilian airliners crashed into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City as well as one wall of the Pentagon and an open field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

The world was shocked at the thought that anyone would deliberately inflict such carnage. All nations sent condolences to the United States and pledged to help it locate and punish the perpetrators of this dastardly deed.
It soon became apparent that the Bush administration was not interested in investigating the incident but rather in waging war.

The Bush Administration declared that Osama bin Laden was the criminal mastermind behind this incident and propmtly bombed the Taliban - the government of Afghanistan - when they asked for proof.
Next the Administration then declared that Iran, Iraq and North Korea comprised an "Axis of Evil" and they would have be dealt with. George W. Bush displayed an intense hatred of Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq. Nation after nation refused to assist him in his vendetta.

The Bush administration claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and posed a viable threat to the security of the US. The United Nations sent inspectors into Iraq and no such weapons were ever found. Then the Bush administration, aided and abetted by Tony Blair, the prime minister ofBritain and Jose Maria Aznar, the prime minister of Spain launched a war against Iraq.
This war was immensely unpopular. Millions of people took part in protests and marches before it even began. Tensions rose even higher after the first bombs dropped on Baghdad.
The Pentagon strategists had come up something they referred to as "Shock and Awe." This involved the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Thousands of Iraqi died and the pictures of their broken bodies and shattered lives were broadcast worldwide.
An immense wave of sympathy was engendered for these people and an immense hatred for the US began to be felt.
The Pentagon responded by attacking journalists. In one incident, the Palestine Hotel, unofficial home to the world's networks and newspapers, was deliberately targetted by an American tank.
Soon afterwards, the area across the hotel was secured by the US and a statue of Saddam Hussein was destroyed by American soldiers and certain Iraqi-looking extras who were specially shipped into the country for media events such as this.
Victory was declared, apart from a few technicalities.

Not one to long rest on the laurels of others, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld then notified Syria - and also Iran - that there were next.
Syria was accused of assisting Iraq with the purchase of certain types of equipment for Iraqi soldiers. They denied it. But so also did Osama bin Laden deny involvement with the hijacked airliners and his abode was destroyed.

This is the situation at present.
And so it behooves us to look closely at the events, the reasons for them, and, of course, the players.

There are many strands to this rope.
Religion. Money. Power. Personality. Nationalism. Racism.
Love and hate.
All the ingredients needed for a blockbuster novel, or perhaps, Armageddon.

Hopefully this thread will explore these strands and serve as a repository of information lest we forget.

World War Three: The Players: Part two

[divideandconquer]

...To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.

To wrap up and be very specific, if you think that Arabs can't coordinate successful terror attacks in Europe without help -- or outright orchestration -- from white people, that's racist.

I do deny the "free moral agency of generations of human beings" on the world stage. At this level, it is and always has been--at least the last few thousand years--orchestrated by mostly white educated puppet masters.

And of course Arabs can coordinate successful terror attacks...however, I don't think they're so stupid that they would continue to coordinate terror attacks guaranteed to bring Western bombs on their heads and that continues to increase the wealth and power of their enemy. In other words, they do not lack intelligence, they lack the psychopathic evil necessary, the power, the wealth, and the resources to pull off terrorist attacks that actually contribute to their agenda.

It think it's much more racist to think that Muslim leadership is behind acts of terror that only accomplishes the goals of its western enemies by demonizing themselves as a prerequisite for never ending Western meddling in the Middle East and elsewhere

[seemslikeadream]

Israelis say French will now realize there's a war on..bout time they got the message

[Wombaticus Rex]

It think it's much more racist to think that Muslim leadership is behind acts of terror that only accomplishes the goals of its western enemies.

And, this, this is precise pissing match I was trying to incite.

If only it happened sooner, I wouldn't have had to explain myself.

You realize we're going to need to start a separate thread and have American Dream adjudicate, right?

[seemslikeadream]

too late AD's come over to "our" side


Is it time for France to pay its real debt to Haiti?

[General Patton]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/991959/paris-suicide-vests-mark-change-of-tactics-and-new-threat/
PARIS, FRANCE:
The suicide vests used by Friday’s attackers in Paris– a first in France — were made by a highly skilled professional who could still be at large in Europe, intelligence and security experts say.

All seven of the militants wore identical explosive vests and did not hesitate to blow themselves up — a worrying change of tactic for jihadists targeting France.

Unlike the attacks in London in 2005 where the bombers’ explosives were stored in backpacks, Friday’s attackers used the sort of suicide vests normally associated with bombings in the Middle East.

“Suicide vests require a munitions specialist. To make a reliable and effective explosive is not something anyone can do,” a former French intelligence chief told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity.
...
French authorities say the vests appeared to have been made with TATP or acetone peroxyde, that is easy for amateurs to make at home but is highly unstable.

The vests also included a battery, a detonation button and shrapnel to maximise injuries.

[divideandconquer]

It think it's much more racist to think that Muslim leadership is behind acts of terror that only accomplishes the goals of its western enemies.

And, this, this is precise pissing match I was trying to incite.

If only it happened sooner, I wouldn't have had to explain myself.

You realize we're going to need to start a separate thread and have American Dream adjudicate, right?

Okay, I'm lost.