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Postby divideandconquer » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:07 am

I wonder if France's challenge to the "lack of transparency" in TTIP negotiations--threatening to “abandon the negotiations all together”-- plays a part in these recent attacks. Are the recent attacks a warning of what's to come if the French do not get on board? Is Germany next?

Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) Negotiations Fall Apart Following Mass Protest in the EU Oct. 5, 2015

Matthias Fekl, the French Secretary of State for Foreign Trade, told EurActiv France that he would “never allow private tribunals in the pay of multinational companies to dictate the policies of sovereign states, particularly in certain domains like health and the environment”.

That was back in January. Nine months later and France has now reinforced that message and gone one big step forward.

In an interview with Sud-Ouest, Matthias Fekl threatened to “call a complete halt” to the TTIP negotiations if things do not change. EurActiv France reports. America has shown no desire to change any of the major issues that have been challenged.

Fekl told the French newspaper that he believes the “total lack of transparency” in the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations poses a “democratic problem”.

Fekl, the Minister of State for Foreign Trade called on the United States to show “reciprocity” in the negotiations. “American members of parliament have access to a much higher number of documents than we do in Europe,” he said.

The German people are now taking a stand and now it is being reported in the USA that sentiment is going against the deal – “It is entirely possible that the U.S. could seek to conclude the deal in the next few years only to find that European governments are unwilling to risk the ire of their voters”.

Matthias Fekl, explained that, ever since the negotiations began in 2013, “These negotiations have been and are being conducted in a total lack of transparency,” and that France has, as of yet, received “no serious offer from the Americans.”
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:09 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:Yes, let's collectively wager on the time/location of the next media-saturated event resulting in the deaths of hundreds of fellow humans, so that we can slap ourselves on the back for being canny cybersleuths. Or is there some other benefit to such an exercise that I'm missing?


coffin_dodger wrote:Isn't it about time we collectively started to frontrun these type of events at RI?

There are enough rigorous logisticians here to piece together the next likely candidate, the next obvious play.


from the same post:
coffin_dodger wrote:This may be a pivotal moment in further understanding whether the system is losing control, or not.


I can't explain it any clearer than that, I'm afraid. Sorry.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:49 pm

RI "collectively front-running" would be a 1:1 microcosm of Poindexter's "Terrorism Futures Market," which was a far more clever and subtle idea than anyone realized at the time.

(Perhaps largely due to the fact it wasn't actually Poindexter's idea...)

It's still being kicked around in policy circles, under the moniker of a "Policy Analysis Market," but that initial herd response was so intense it is still essentially a toxic idea.

The economist Robin Hanson had a lot of good commentary and ideas on that subject. None of them will be implemented here, obviously, but it's interesting stuff.

http://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/PAMpress.pdf

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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:32 pm

^^ yeah, often I think aloud and my fingers inexorably move to tap in words at RI. Bit crass, sometimes. I'll try to do better.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:40 pm

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Perhaps my response was a bit ahole, c_d, though not directed at you specifically, per se. I was going off the general sentiment and attempting to offer perspective.

None of us are innocent here. We've all been guilty of the following (well, speaking for myself, I can point to plenty of prior postings to this board that, with an added moment or two of contemplation, I surely would not have 'published'):

I think aloud and my fingers inexorably move to tap in words at RI. Bit crass, sometimes
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:49 pm

Forewarned is forearmed. Isn't the point here to try to understand? There's nothing toxic about monitoring events and testing the soundness of one's understanding by using it to try to predict future events. For one thing, it would prove that those who are manufacturing reality for us are not invisible or omnipotent or impossible to predict. Light banishes darkness. So here's my take:

"ISIS"s hit list is the same as the Zionists', and its actions serve the same strategic objectives. The so-called "Islamic State" was spawned and is being kept alive and nurtured by those who gave the world the so-called "Jewish State". As I explained elsewhere, "Israel" is not a nation-state, but an instrument of the globalist financial elites that created it and keep it artificially alive to serve their agenda, which is nothing less than world penetration and domination via the destruction of all real national states.

You want to know where the monster will strike next? As far as I can see, the list of actual/potential targets is not very long. This is not meant to be any sort of deep analysis, but it reflects my sort-of stream of consciousness as I follow the "news":

Egypt: "Egypt the prize". Instead of collapsing into civil war as planned, is building the basis for future prosperity and its armed forces are for the first time in decades ranked higher than Israel's, cracking Israel's sacred 'qualitative military edge'. Has reestablished sovereignty over Sinai, ending Israel's dream of making Sinai "the new Palestine". It is a very high priority target, not just for "ISIS"/Daesh raw terrorism, but for any kind of sabotage.

Lebanon: Hezbullah's resistance has thwarted Israel's plan to invade and occupy Lebanon twice already, dealing Israel a humiliating and traumatic blow each time. In cooperation with the Syrian Army, Hezbullah has also been instrumental in liberating Syrian territory taken over by the NATO/Zionist sponsored terrorists.

Russia: together with China, have been explicitly identified as the biggest danger to the so-called "world order". Growing Russian influence and presence in the oil-rich and strategically vital Arab region is frustrating American/Zionist plans to monopolize the region for its own purposes. Indications of a looming but still tentative Russian-German rapprochement pose a danger to American hegemony in Europe. Furthermore, its military campaign in Syria alongside the Syrian Army and Hizbullah has helped to prevent Syria's collapse and fragmentation, a longstanding and explicitly stated Zionist goal.

Iraq: Iraq's destruction and fragmentation was and remains a "prime" Zionist objective. Though it still faces a mammoth task, and is badly wounded and bleeding, Iraq has (barely) managed to survive and is struggling to reassemble itself back into a unified country.

China: is offering to supply Egypt with its own highly-advanced submarines, very similar to the German Dolphins, but at a much lower price. China has also expressed its deep interest in supplying other high-tech weapons systems to Egypt. China's enormous influence in Asia and deep penetration of Africa, as well as its global economic weight threaten the hegemony of the global financial Masters of the World Order.

France: although it is considered a major center of US/Zionist influence, it has lately shown worrying hints of independent aspirations. France supplied the Egyptian military with the Rafale aircraft, and the Mistral amphibious assault helicopter carrier, making the Egyptian navy one of only six in the world with such a capacity. This, along with Russia's sale of advanced weaponry and equipment to Egypt, has prompted Israel's demand that the US live up to its commitment to guarantee Israel's "qualitative military edge" by dramatically increasing its annual donations to Israel by at least $2 billion, and by supplying it with more and more advanced weapons.

Germany: its sale of two Dolphin submarines to Egypt provoked Israeli fury, but the Israelis were placated with three Dolphins, in addition to the two they already have. Moreover, German taxpayers will generously pay for 1/3 the cost of the Dolphins supplied to Israel. So Germany has so far avoided being punished by "ISIS". But any thawing of relations between Russia and Germany will provoke a harsh and bloody attack.

Less obvious targets in Europe include first Britain, followed by other European countries. In such instances, unlike those in the list above, the purpose is not punitive, but to promote the rise of the fascist Right and to divert attention and anger from the elites' financial/economic gouging of the working class, into sectarian and ethnic conflicts, in effect engineering civil wars to divide and weaken the masses. Also, such attacks are used as a pretext for waging costly wars that serve the Zionist agenda in the Middle East, and for suppressing dissent at home.

Anyway, we'll see, soon enough.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:19 pm

Not sure I agree on Russia or China at this time, Alice - this is about swaying internal populations of European States towards cheering on a war of annihilation in certain Middle East countries. Dem A-rabs is da enemy. Most Euro countries are run by the same 'social club' that holds sway in the UK/US - they are looking to justify the action (itching to, actually) and they need a raging, mesmerised internal citizenry to accede to, and participate in, their fantasies.

Here in the UK, the itch is becoming unbearable for Cameron:

PM: I will make case for strikes against IS in Syria BBC News 17 Nov 2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34846457


He was denied a few years back, he's going to make damn sure it happens this time.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:39 pm

coffin_dodger wrote:Here in the UK, the itch is becoming unbearable for Cameron.


Indeed it is. Maybe he'll get a little help from his friends. Or maybe they have more urgent things to do, first.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Elihu » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:00 pm

i was gonna say new york, london, madrid, paris ___________________

A shrill trumpet-call had pierced the air. It was the bulletin! Victory! It always meant victory when a trumpet-call preceded the news. A sort of electric drill ran through the cafe. Even the waiters had started and pricked up their ears.

The trumpet-call had let loose an enormous volume of noise. Already an excited voice was gabbling from the telescreen, but even as it started it was almost drowned by a roar of cheering from outside. The news had run round the streets like magic. He could hear just enough of what was issuing from the telescreen to realize that it had all happened, as he had foreseen; a vast seaborne armada had secretly assembled a sudden blow in the enemy's rear, the white arrow tearing across the tail of the black. Fragments of triumphant phrases pushed themselves through the din: 'Vast strategic manoeuvre -- perfect co-ordination -- utter rout -- half a million prisoners -- complete demoralization -- control of the whole of Africa -- bring the war within measurable distance of its end victory -- greatest victory in human history -- victory, victory, victory!'

Under the table Winston's feet made convulsive movements. He had not stirred from his seat, but in his mind he was running, swiftly running, he was with the crowds outside, cheering himself deaf. He looked up again at the portrait of Big Brother. The colossus that bestrode the world! The rock against which the hordes of Asia dashed themselves in vain! He thought how ten minutes ago -- yes, only ten minutes -- there had still been equivocation in his heart as he wondered whether the news from the front would be of victory or defeat.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Elihu » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:05 pm

to my Canadian friends, tell Trudeau to pull your army, pull your weapons. we saw how Greece's guy was called to London within 48 hours. Truds has had a month..
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Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:20 pm

Joao » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:09 pm wrote:Somebody had a laugh at this...

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Good catch, Joao! Or as Borat would say, "High five!"
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:26 pm

Message from Rabbi Nir Ben Artzi, shlita, Parashat Acharei/Kedoshim, 29 Nissan 5775 (19/04/15)
בס"ד
Father in Heaven is telling the Jews in Israel and the world:

"Hear my voice now - you won't hear it literally, but I am sending you signs through the forces of nature, through conflicts between countries, through rain in Israel, good and strange things happening in the world - the ten plagues in the world. Anti-Semitism in the world is harsher than it ever was. I am fighting for you and protecting the nation of Israel, the Jews in Israel, and no one can touch the state of Israel, my country, the Holy Land! Whoever touches it will be harmed. Every country in the world that wants to harm Israel - I will strike them down; I have already done so and will continue to do so. I have brought ISIS to the world to clean the idolatry that has been in the world since it began."

ISIS shows no justice. The world is modern and it breaks one's heart to see what they are doing, but they are messengers of G-d. They will continue to grow and develop, to clean and dismantle the idolatry and adultery in the world. They have struck Egypt and Jordan, and they are spreading in Turkey, growing stronger and making it their home. It is their home base.

Syria will continue to be erased; it has no relief and will never have any. It is paying today for what it did to the soldiers of the IDF in Israel's wars.

Nasrallah and Hezbollah are falling apart, losing direction.

Iraq will also disappear from the world, like Syria. They are paying today for scaring the people of Israel 25 years ago with Saddam Hussein's rockets.

Jordan is filled with refugees that are eating away at Jordan until it crumbles. Do not invest in Jordan, dear Jews!

Turkey is controlled by ISIS, which is eating away at it. Arduan is in the their sights, he has no choice but to follow them.

Yemen and the entire area will continue to be in conflict.

Iran is half modern and half primitive, and everything will blow up in their faces there as well. Iran pulled a con with Russia to drive the US crazy. They lied and conned the United States and they are laughing at the world. The Russians are happy that Iran is succeeding in conning the US. Iran and Russia are brothers.

Egypt - Hamas, the extreme Islamists, and ISIS are causing harm and want to bring down the regime. Today-tomorrow, it will fall.

In the Gaza Strip they continue to dig tunnels. Even though there are machines that check if there are tunnels - don't trust them. They are not 100% precise. The IDF needs to continue checking the manual way as well. In Operation Protective Edge, there were great wonders and miracles.

G-d is creating the Babel Tower, confusing all of the heads of state in the Middle East and all of the countries in the world. G-d is doing everything in order to protect the state of Israel, the youth and the Jews in Israel, to prevent assimilation. He does everything, brings strange weather so that Jews don't sin in Israel. G-d is protecting His children!

Israel needs to put together the new government quickly. All of the parliament members must stop with the insults and take their jobs seriously because Benjamin Netanyahu is guided by G-d - the heart of the king is in the hands of G-d.

The economy and security are in the hands of G-d; He is running everything. It doesn't matter who will have the job - the responsibility is G-d's alone! Let it go and give in to the prime minister. You can't deceive Israel and the entire world.

So long as the King Messiah is not working out in the open, the government of Israel is working.

Abu Mazen is laughing at everyone, lying about parliament members. There are those he succeeds in fooling, who believe him. He has bad goals.

There are a lot of conspiracies by Hamas in Yesha, the Arabs there are helping them. There are conspiracies in the north and south. There is a small number of Israeli citizens who are helping them, they are the most dangerous.

There will be much greater natural disasters than there were before Passover. G-d is destroying and confusing every country that goes against Israel and that wants to harm Israel.

Planes will continue to experience complications, all kinds of planes. Ships will continue to experience complications. Trains will derail and crash, buses will crash.

G-d is asking the people of Israel: "Don't you understand that I am speaking to you through natural disasters, complications, and conflict around the world? I am tearing down and destroying all of the Arab countries - don't you see that I am fighting for you? Don't you see that the economy in Israel is the best in the world and that Israel will forever have the best real estate? Are all of these signs not enough to realize that I am talking to you?"

G-d is calling out to the Jews living overseas to come to Israel!

Do you understand what this means? G-d is calling out to the Jews to come to Israel - "You will be welcomed in Israel with open arms. You will all have ample income. I, Father in Heaven, accept you with great love and open arms! Don't wait. Leave the evil inclination and the material behind. The world of impurities and filth is over. Life of man, his health, his children, are worth all of the materials and all of the money in the world. You will have a good life and ample income in Israel. In the past, Jews were loved around the world because they invented patents. Today they don't need the Jews because they already have all of the patents and secrets. They don't need the Jews anymore; the Jews have finished their role overseas. After this message - if you don't understand, don't come crying!"

Independence Day this year, in the coming days, will be beautiful and wonderful and the people of Israel will celebrate in their homes and rejoice that G-d has given the Jews a country - the State of Israel. Don't forget the IDF soldiers who we have to thank for being here!

For G-d, the number seven is an important and loved number. G-d uses it in the things He cares about: the Sabbath - the seventh day, seven blessings for the bride and groom, Passover - seven days, seven thousand years - every seven thousand years the world changes. The state of Israel is soon to celebrate seventy years, it is sixty seven now! In the seventieth year there will be wondrous things, miracles, interesting things that have never before occurred! Redemption - the whole world will find redemption and the Jews will be holy, pure, and with G-d. The Messiah will soon work out in the open, the messiah is growing slowly and surely!

Courtesy of the website "Tair Neri" Link
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:31 pm

Tonight's Germany-Netherlands football match in Hanover has been called off because of “concrete information that someone was planning to set off explosives inside the stadium”. Cancellation was announced less than 90 minutes before play was due to start. Merkel was due to attend the game.

Concert by a popular rap band also cancelled by police at short notice. Hanover central station is also partially closed off.

Press conference (de Maiziere) live, in German.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:43 pm

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