Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris hostage

[Elvis]

Elvis » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:30 pm wrote:

I thought the hologram was a good metaphor -- it's a metaphor.

I get that. The problem is that there are 9/11 theorists who think that the planes were holograms and that the towers were brought down by explosives, or some more sophisticated devices ranging all the way up to particle beams and burried nuclear weapons.

Point taken, thanks.

[Elvis]

Has anyone considered that these vests/belts could have been detonated remotely once the person arrived at the target site?

Someone could have been duped into thinking it was a Kevlar vest

That still doesn't explain why they were not detonated somewhere that would have done some damage, unless the perpetrators have updated their methods so that it's not as obvious that they are getting rid of folks who know too much, as in the case of J D Tippit.

What occurred to me -- in Willows scenario -- is that if an unwitting "suicide bomber" who had any knowledge of the operation was about to be captured, a nearby 'handler' could detonate the explosive remotely.


I'm always thought that a good portion of what are so quickly labeled "suicide" bombers involve unwitting participants. There's plenty of evidence supporting the idea that many of these are setups. It was especially true, I think, in the rash of car bombings (invariably assumed to be suicide attacks) and "suicide" belt/backpack attacks during the occupation of Iraq.

[solace]

What violent clique of Muslims has ever not been an illusion, though, right Alice? Islamic supremacism, Muslim imperialism, Mohammad-sanctioned fascism...unlike fried ice cream, unlike the various overlapping constellations of improbable causality RI takes seriously...these are never a reality, always slander. Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, and hundreds more theocratic conquistador projects like them...all illusions, all of them, each of them.

What you're describing are the obfuscations surrounding the core in order to hide it. The dizzying diversity of names obscures the fact that ideologically, there is only the fascist Wahhabist cult, and organizationally there is only the Muslim Brotherhood. Everything else is smoke and mirrors and cut-outs. The reason these two real things must be obscured is that both can easily be traced back directly to British and US and Zionist imperialism, which has financed them, nurtured them, protected them and imposed them by force wherever it had the brute power to do so.

So, no fascistic Shiite cults exist?
Isn't one in control of Iran?

Or are all Russian allies defined more generously?
(Hamas and Hezbollah not being terrorists, etc.)

But, so, anyway, anything evil ever associated with Islam in the last 100 years has been an Anglo-American-Israeli illusion? Those omnipotent bastards!

Exactly. Now you have it and can be part of the really smart informed set. Free will has no dominion over Arabs. They can't even fart unless a Jew or Westerner squeezes them.

[MacCruiskeen]

I'm always thought that a good portion of what are so quickly labeled "suicide" bombers are actually unwitting participants. And there's plenty of evidence supporting the idea that many of these are setups.

The London bombings especially come to mind. That team of unlikely suicide bombers. The "Jamaican Jihadi", a happily-married young father of a very young child. The enthusastic member of his local cricket team. The popular smiling youth-club worker. And the other guy who wondered around crowded central London looking lost or stood-up and who eventually exploded on the back seat of the top deck of a bus that was very far from full.

I've always suspected that they were would-be drug mules* hoping to earn some cash on the side, and who were unwittingly carrying pre-timed or remote-controlled explosives in the sealed packages in their rucksacks.

*Or else completely un-criminal duped participants in the "terror exercise".

[Lord Balto]

Exactly. Now you have it and can be part of the really smart informed set. Free will has no dominion over Arabs. They can't even fart unless a Jew or Westerner squeezes them.

Reminds me of the notion current among certain strategists before WWII that we had nothing to fear from Japanese air attacks because their slanty little eyes would prevent them from flying airplanes.

[seemslikeadream]

green now has become the "cutez" color....no longer can be used for sarcasm

[Elvis]

I'm always thought that a good portion of what are so quickly labeled "suicide" bombers are actually unwitting participants. And there's plenty of evidence supporting the idea that many of these are setups.

The London bombings especially come to mind. That team of unlikely suicide bombers. The "Jamaican Jihadi", a happily-married young father of a very young child. The enthusastic member of his local cricket team. The popular smiling youth-club worker. And the other guy who wondered around crowded central London looking lost or stood-up and who eventually exploded on the back seat of the top deck of a bus that was very far from full.

I've always suspected that they were would-be drug mules* hoping to earn some cash on the side, and who were unwittingly carrying pre-timed or remote-controlled explosives in the sealed packages in their rucksacks.

*Or else completely un-criminal duped participants in the "terror exercise".

In fact, I just heard "Cowboy Cousin's" schoolmates on BBC describing the likelihood of her becoming a terrorist: " it's inconceivable" ..."she must have been brainwashed or something" .. etc.

[MacCruiskeen]

In fact, I just heard "Cowboy Cousin's" schoolmates on BBC describing the likelihood of her becoming a terrorist: " it's inconceivable" ..."she must have been brainwashed or something" .. etc.

Yes, that's what one always hears, practically without exception. No one who knew them can ever believe it. I heard Mohammed Atta's tutor at the university in Hamburg say precisely that about his former student, shortly after 9/11 on German TV. He simply didn't believe it. Brave man. The interview was only broadcast once.

Re: the FourthBase/solace love-in above: Has there ever been a Jewish or Christian or in any way "Western" team of suicide bombers, anywhere at any time? Or is this unfathomable Savagery and stupidity and indifference to their own lives and others' solely the penchant of Arabs /Muslims? I think we should be told.

[Nordic]

This is repulsive but telling:

Her death in the Saint Denis siege was instant. Jean-Michel Fauvergue, 56, the French anti terror commander who led the raid described how he saw her head fly through the window. Her spine landed on a police car.

'That's when we saw a human body, a woman's head, fly through the window and land on the pavement, on the other side of the street,' Fauvergue said.

France is under a state of emergency and media reporting on the attacks is very tightly controlled. I.e.: This wholly irrelevant but lipsmackingly sadistic detail is one of the things they have decided you are allowed to know and indeed need to know. And for once it's attributed to a highly-placed non-anonymous source. We get his full name and rank and even his exact age. Compare "Sebastien" and "The Pregnant Woman".

History is being made fabricated while we watch.

I was just thinking how it all seems so stage-managed. Here in the US anyway. More so than normal. The hysteria over "refugees" and the predictably indignant response from real people who aren't taking the fear bait. Huckster, Trunp, the "columnist" who said we should blow Mecca right for the surface of the earth, it sure has the stench of being 100% scripted.

[tapitsbo]

Yeah, not to mention how odd it is that the average person finds it so easy to speak up for refugees

but it is so rare to find people actually speaking out against the wars/deep state machinations that create refugees

[Nordic]

Yeah, not to mention how odd it is that the average person finds it so easy to speak up for refugees

but it is so rare to find people actually speaking out against the wars/deep state machinations that create refugees

Yeah they always direct the outraged conversation in order to sideline the real issues. I mean, have we ever seen Obama speak as forcefully about ANYTHING as he did about the refugees?

Plus I'm actually starting to think that they're gonna do something here and blame it on the "refugees" they're pushing it so hard. I mean Obama et al pushing the idea of bringing them here. More than I've seen these morons push anything supposedly of the "goodness" brand.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Friday the 13th Paris Terror, the Assassination of JFK, Operation Gladio...and the Knights Templar?

[solace]

"The CPOST Suicide Attack Database comprises the most complete and comprehensive list of suicide attacks since 1980. We are proud to make this information available to the public."

http://cpost.uchicago.edu/news/report_o ... ack_index/

[stoneonstone]

I do find that MacCruiskeen, Project Willow and Elvis are correctly viewing along the suicide bomber axis. Something is off...first apparent in the London bombers, who definitely seemed to be unfortunate patsies.

The idea that the Stade bombers were waiting for someone, or something, in 'safe' locations, which never arrived, and then detonated, seems the most likely scenario. We have no video, which seems odd, and the lack of casualties is extraordinary. I expect actuaries to now publish new tables showing the safest place in the world to be when a 'suicide bomb' goes off is Paris.

The lack of video all around would make sense in 1995, not now. The description I think from the Guardian of the Mercedes travelling gunmen reads like professional mercenaries. The kill, or cull, was carefully controlled.

The bombs were important stampeding details or flavouring....down to the 'threat' to Hollande.

The emergency response drill and coincidental scenario was to make sure there was a reasonable limit to the mayhem, however that is decided - the teams would be in peak readiness, and I believe many were still on shift.

What smells so terrible is the MSM stampede to have anchors/reporters in Paris all week reporting (CBC and NPR have done this - don't think they are volunteering to go to Mali though)...to neatly close the scenario - Mastermind dead, Emergency Powers safely enacted: all is well, go home now.

Just like the weekend regicide play in Dallas, that ended, all neatly tied up, three days later in time for Kennedy's funeral Monday.

They may not be great writers, our master's servants, but they do have the ability to craft scenarios that work on the majority.

[seemslikeadream]

Friday the 13th Paris Terror, the Assassination of JFK, Operation Gladio...and the Knights Templar?

reading it now