Which gender are you?

[brekin]

backtoiam wrote:

I was planning on having a good day. I had no idea that millions of black transgender women were under assault. Now I have to find some to protect. AD, I only have so much activist time in my schedule...really? You could have done better than this damn joke....

Where's the damn joke? Did I miss it? I didn't read that "millions" were, where was that? I don't doubt the majority of black transgender women suffer from discrimination, abuse and harassment though. Does that seem like such a stretch? Were your comments suppose to be in green? This thread is hard to parse at times so I'm just trying to see what your saying.

[DrEvil]

This thread is hard to parse at times so I'm just trying to see what your saying.

I think the gist of it is that LGBT activists and feminists are (useful) idiots who are being used by a 747 full of rich, evil people to destroy families and control the world.

Clearly they don't know what's good for them and they should all just shut up and suck it up, because social constructs and masculinity.

[RocketMan]

This thread is hard to parse at times so I'm just trying to see what your saying.

I think the gist of it is that LGBT activists and feminists are (useful) idiots who are being used by a 747 full of rich, evil people to destroy families and control the world.

Clearly they don't know what's good for them and they should all just shut up and suck it up, because social constructs and masculinity.

Also, that poll above is depressing. I really hope it's just because most people don't answer it.

[tapitsbo]

Nah, the interesting part was Joao's cut and paste definition of sex and gender. While this may work for some, for a lot of people it's not nearly progressive enough. So this is a very contentious area for that and other reasons, and it's worth talking about

[American Dream]

I think the gist of it is that LGBT activists and feminists are (useful) idiots who are being used by a 747 full of rich, evil people to destroy families and control the world.

Any fool can see that this is very much a repeated theme here.

[barracuda]

Sex = male and female
Gender = masculine and feminine

please tell me why this is not reversed?

I guess I'm not understanding your confusion here. For most of my life, the most common use of the word "gender" was in the context of grammar, specifically the grammar of instances in foreign languages in which gendered pronouns were applicable to not just persons but inanimate objects as well, for example, la luna, the moon, or el libro, the book. The moon is not a male or a female (probably), but people do associate cultural characteristics to objects that tend to color them as masculine or feminine, and these associations have come to produce gendered words and pronouns.

Similarly, for my entire life, driver's licenses have had a small section headed "SEX", and that section is always followed by an"M" or an "F". I've never heard anyone ask "what gender is your newborn?" The birth certificate lists "male" or "female" as a fairly objective description of biological appearances under the same heading.

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So, really, at least for me, both those definitions seem fairly quotidian, if slightly old-fashioned. I mean, there's always room for improvement. But "sex" is biological, and "gender" is cultural, at least in the admittedly fluid vernacular we swim in. No?

Am I misunderstanding something? Perhaps it would be helpful if you could outline for me in what way the definitions ought to be reversed. I'm trying to follow along.

[KUAN]

Grist to the mill?

engender
ɪnˈdʒɛndə,ɛn-/Submit
verb
cause or give rise to (a feeling, situation, or condition).
"the issue engendered continuing controversy"
synonyms: cause, be the cause of, give rise to, bring about, lead to, result in, produce, create, generate, arouse, rouse, provoke, incite, kindle, trigger, spark off, touch off, stir up, whip up, induce, inspire, instigate, foment, effect, occasion, promote, foster; More
archaic
(of a father) beget (offspring).

[Iamwhomiam]

This thread is hard to parse at times so I'm just trying to see what your saying.

I think the gist of it is that LGBT activists and feminists are (useful) idiots who are being used by a 747 full of rich, evil people to destroy families and control the world.

Clearly they don't know what's good for them and they should all just shut up and suck it up, because social constructs and masculinity.

Yeah, that's about it, DrEvil. I didn't participate in the poll. I think placing people into boxes, social constructs, if you will, is constrictive.

Can't people just be people, and be respected regardless of how they express their individuality?

Too many boxes & borders - too many do not cross lines!

[Iamwhomiam]

Engendering gerunds.

[divideandconquer]

This thread is hard to parse at times so I'm just trying to see what your saying.

I think the gist of it is that LGBT activists and feminists are (useful) idiots who are being used by a 747 full of rich, evil people to destroy families and control the world..

Exactly, except we're all--some more than others--useful idiots, certainly not just the LGBT community and/or feminists. I'm still very much an idiot--don't know about the useful part, maybe hypocritical is more accurate--because despite what I know I'm still plugged into the system, still posting my radical thoughts on DARPAnet, still patronizing the ever-growing centralized, global corporations I despise, still paying taxes that support the 24/7 violence, etc. because I've become accustomed to a certain level of comfort/convenience, not to mention, I don't know the first thing about surviving in an unplugged world.

[tapitsbo]

This isn't a healthy way to think divideandconquer, as Orwellian as I might sound saying that to you.

You're not wrong about there being a control system

But we're all plugged into the world and each other, there's no on/off switch.

And the problems have deeper roots than any given cabal of controllers.

[Elvis]

[Elvis]

This isn't a healthy way to think divideandconquer, as Orwellian as I might sound saying that to you.

You're not wrong about there being a control system

But we're all plugged into the world and each other, there's no on/off switch.

And the problems have deeper roots than any given cabal of controllers.

Very well said, all of it!

[JackRiddler]

I think the gist of it is that LGBT activists and feminists are (useful) idiots who are being used by a 747 full of rich, evil people to destroy families and control the world.

Any fool can see that this is very much a repeated theme here.

Underlying it is just a lot of old (or prematurely old) whiteman anxiety about things that should hardly bother'em, methinks.

[American Dream]

The net effect of all the ignorance and bigotry is to make this board extremely unfriendly to queer people, those who do not identify/are not identified as white,men, etc.

Given the hatred and dehumanization expressed, I would guess that this is very often exactly the desired result...