Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

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Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:49 am

This one's for you Nordic :)


NOVEMBER 30, 2015
Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative
by BILL BLUNDEN

Glenn Greenwald has written an op-ed piece for the Los Angeles Times. In this editorial he asserts that American spies are motivated primarily by the desire to thwart terrorist plots. Such that their inability to do so (i.e. the attacks in Paris) coupled with the associated embarrassment motivates a public relations campaign against Ed Snowden. Greenwald further concludes that recent events are being opportunistically leveraged by spy masters to pressure tech companies into installing back doors in their products. Over the course of this article what emerges is a worldview which demonstrates a remarkable tendency to accept events at face value, a stance that’s largely at odds with Snowden’s own documents and statements.

For example, Greenwald states that American spies have a single overriding goal, to “find and stop people who are plotting terrorist attacks.” To a degree this concurs with the official posture of the intelligence community. Specifically, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence specifies four topical missions in its National Intelligence Strategy: Cyber Intelligence, Counterterrorism, Counterproliferation, and Counterintelligence.

Yet Snowden himself dispels this notion. In an open letter to Brazil he explained that “these [mass surveillance] programs were never about terrorism: they’re about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They’re about power.”

And the public record tends to support Snowden’s observation. If the NSA is truly focused on combatting terrorism it has an odd habit of spying on oil companies in Brazil and Venezuela. In addition anyone who does their homework understands that the CIA has a long history of overthrowing governments. This has absolutely nothing to do with stopping terrorism and much more to do with catering to powerful business interests in places like Iran (British Petroleum), Guatemala (United Fruit), and Chile (ITT Corporation). The late Michael Ruppert characterized the historical links between spies and the moneyed elite as follows[1]: “The CIA is Wall Street, and Wall Street is the CIA.”

The fact that Greenwald appears to accept the whole “stopping terrorism” rationale is extraordinary all by itself. But things get even more interesting…

Near the end of his article Greenwald notes that the underlying motivation behind the recent uproar of spy masters “is to depict Silicon Valley as terrorist-helpers for the crime of offering privacy protections to Internet users, in order to force those companies to give the U.S. government ‘backdoor’ access into everyone’s communications.”

But if history shows anything, it’s that the perception of an adversarial relationship between government spies and corporate executives has often concealed secret cooperation. Has Greenwald never heard of Crypto AG, or RSA, or even Google? These are companies who at the time of their complicity marketed themselves as protecting user privacy. In light of these clandestine arrangements Cryptome’s John Young comments that it’s “hard to believe anything crypto advocates have to say due to the far greater number of crypto sleazeball hominids reaping rewards of aiding governments than crypto hominid honorables aiding one another.”

It’s as if Greenwald presumes that the denizens of Silicon Valley, many of whose origins are deeply entrenched in government programs, have magically turned over a new leaf. As though the litany of past betrayals can conveniently be overlooked because things are different. Now tech vendors are here to defend our privacy. Or at least that’s what they’d like us to believe. In the aftermath of the PRISM scandal, which was disclosed by none other than Greenwald and Snowden, the big tech of Silicon Valley is desperate to portray itself as a victim of big government.

You see, the envoys of the Bay Area’s new economy have formulated a convincing argument. That’s what they get paid to do. The representatives of Silicon Valley explain in measured tones that tech companies have stopped working with spies because it’s bad for their bottom line. Thus aligning the interests of private capital with user privacy. But the record shows that spies often serve private capital. To help open up markets and provide access to resources in foreign countries. And make no mistake there’s big money to be made helping spies. Both groups do each other a lot of favors.

And so a question for Glenn Greenwald: what pray tell is there to prevent certain CEOs in Silicon Valley from betraying us yet again, secretly via covert backdoors, while engaged in a reassuring Kabuki Theater with government officials about overt backdoors? Giving voice to public outrage while making deals behind closed doors. It’s not like that hasn’t happened before during an earlier debate about allegedly strong cryptography. Subtle zero-day flaws are, after all, plausibly deniable.

How can the self-professed advocate of adversarial journalism be so credulous? How could a company like Apple, despite its bold public rhetoric, resist overtures from spy masters any more than Mohammad Mosaddegh, Jacobo Árbenz, or Salvador Allende? Doesn’t adversarial journalism mean scrutinizing corporate power as well as government power?

Glenn? Hello?

Methinks Mr. Greenwald has some explaining to do. Whether he actually responds with anything other than casual dismissal has yet to be seen.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:37 pm

Methinks that Glenwald is probably right.

Most people do want to do good.

Its the Gladio-esque we need to look out for.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:42 pm

"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:47 pm

MacCruiskeen » 30 Nov 2015 16:42 wrote:https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/?s=Greenwald



The Rancid Honeytrap.

Hows that for a reflection of the individual life experience of almost every last one of us?

I guess it ultimately all boils down to trying to make it a little less rancid.
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Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:15 pm

slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:37 pm wrote:Methinks that Glenwald is probably right.

Most people do want to do good.

Its the Gladio-esque we need to look out for.

I am baffled by this worldview.

As far as we know, all of history's darkest villains have been driven by the desire to do good.
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:18 pm

slimmouse, the word "rancid" in the name of Tarzie's blog is an ironic "owning" of this.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:20 pm

guruilla » 30 Nov 2015 17:15 wrote:
slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:37 pm wrote:Methinks that Glenwald is probably right.

Most people do want to do good.

Its the Gladio-esque we need to look out for.

I am baffled by this worldview.

As far as we know, all of history's darkest villains have been driven by the desire to do good.


I suspect that this is because they are the ones who are writing the said history.

It would hardly be of benefit to a humanity borne of , well humanity, for these guys to say it as it really is.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:29 pm

MacCruiskeen » 30 Nov 2015 17:18 wrote:slimmouse, the word "rancid" in the name of Tarzie's blog is an ironic "owning" of this.


OK mac, I went off topic. Sorry.

It was just a thought is all. :backtotopic:
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:35 pm

slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:20 pm wrote:I suspect that this is because they are the ones who are writing the said history.

It would hardly be of benefit to a humanity borne of , well humanity, for these guys to say it as it really is.

I sure I hope I don't get quoted out of context, but even the official accounts of Hitler clearly indicate he was driven by the desire to do good, just not for everyone.

Often they are quite open about it (eg. that Bertrand Russell passage I quoted at Occult Yorkshire), I think partially because they are convinced this is all for the Greater Good.

Bringing it back to the OP, maybe GG believes he can do more good by endorsing the official narrative while being subversive in his own way? In other words, maybe he is being strategically dishonest. This isn't a defense of GG: if he were doing that I'd assume he was full of shit and driven by the usual ego drives that usually lurk behind the desire "to do good"; it's just to give a possible example of how this sort of doublethink (of "good-end-justifies-evil-means") tends to work.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:36 pm

Are you joking, slimmouse? I was just, briefly, pointing out where the word "rancid" came from in Tarzie's blog-title. Seemed worh doing, especially as GG has a habit of suggesting that anyone who criticises him from the left is merely rotten with envy of his status as Celebrity Leftist Numero Uno.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby slimmouse » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:42 pm

MacCruiskeen » 30 Nov 2015 17:36 wrote:Are you joking, slimmouse? I was just, briefly, pointing out where the word "rancid" came from in Tarzie's blog-title. Seemed worh doing, especially as GG has a habit of suggesting that anyone who criticises him from the left is merely rotten with envy of his status as Celebrity Leftist Numero Uno.


Mac. I was relating to none of the above when I made the observation.

How would you describe physical experience and life in general?

I thought the Rancid Honeytrap was just about right.
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby Nordic » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:43 pm

The biggest mistake you can make in life is assuming that all people are born good, and are just damaged or misguided. I once thought this way. A lot of "good" people think this way.

But no, evil is real. Some people are just plain evil and they get off on it.

And as I've said before, they get away with so much because they are willing to do what is literally unthinkable to non-evil people. How do you defend against that which you cannot even imagine?
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Stands by the Official Narrative

Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:11 pm

Nordic » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:43 pm wrote:The biggest mistake you can make in life is assuming that all people are born good, and are just damaged or misguided. I once thought this way. A lot of "good" people think this way.

But no, evil is real. Some people are just plain evil and they get off on it.

And as I've said before, they get away with so much because they are willing to do what is literally unthinkable to non-evil people. How do you defend against that which you cannot even imagine?

You've met these people, born evil?

Is this a religious worldview?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:22 pm

maybe it's not that someone is born evil it maybe that a person is born with the lack of empathy
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