Get out the Vote: Terence McKenna 2016

[slimmouse]

The first time I came across TM, probably about 7 years ago, I tried, but just didnt get it.

In the last few months, TM reintroduces himself to me via a search for podcasts by John Anthony West, subsequently incorporating Danny Wilten, which in turn led to Graham Hancock.

Courtesy of watching or listening to the above names, it should come as no surprise that when the final act arrives in the form of Mr Mckenna, what he was talking about suddenly made perfect sense this time around.

I very vaguely recall a post by Jeff, explaining how TM would occasionally fail to let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think that such a quality in any real study of what it requires to be todays President of the United States, would surely make him a leading candidate.

I think that Jeff also mentioned, that if you prefer all your facts straight, then Dennis Mckenna is the more favourable option.

Dennis and Terence Mckenna -- FFS. what a team

I recently posted the following link in another thread, to my favourite TM podcast from the Psychedelic Salon. But its probably more appropriate here. This guy truly was the Bard.

http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/2014 ... dmt-flash/

Finally a couple of quotes from elsewhere - Deeply instructive Comedy, satire, insight...outstanding..

“The reductionists who want to say these drugs just perturb the brain I don’t think have taken enough of these things.”

“You can’t use the word ‘liberty’ when your government watches you 24 hours a day. That’s the relationship of a master and a slave.”

“Although whenever you have intelligent life in the presence of large explosions, a safe bet is that the intelligent life is responsible for the large explosion.”

[NaturalMystik]

I like the idea of novelty theory, I believe the proof really is in our current reality. However the end point is a bit problematic. Much in the same way the Mayan calendar ending was presumed to mean the end of existence by some... I suspect in a similar kind of way, perhaps the timewave has also reset, but with a new baseline.

I don't know what it is about TM and to a lesser extent DM, their voices and tone aren't exactly what I would call pleasing to the ear, yet I could listen to TM all day long using big flowery words and frankly making a whole lotta sense...

[Joe Hillshoist]

I like the idea of novelty theory, I believe the proof really is in our current reality. However the end point is a bit problematic. Much in the same way the Mayan calendar ending was presumed to mean the end of existence by some... I suspect in a similar kind of way, perhaps the timewave has also reset, but with a new baseline.

I don't know what it is about TM and to a lesser extent DM, their voices and tone aren't exactly what I would call pleasing to the ear, yet I could listen to TM all day long using big flowery words and frankly making a whole lotta sense...

I've heard TM speak live and grating is the word that comes to mind.

[elfismiles]

I'm with NaturalMystik on this one ... I've always loved Terence's voice.

I don't know what it is about TM and to a lesser extent DM, their voices and tone aren't exactly what I would call pleasing to the ear, yet I could listen to TM all day long using big flowery words and frankly making a whole lotta sense...

I've heard TM speak live and grating is the word that comes to mind.

[Joe Hillshoist]

It doesn't sound as full when listening to a recording.

[slimmouse]

It doesn't sound as full when listening to a recording.

The grating voice thing is interesting Joe. I would agree, meaning no obvious disrespect to Terence.

The funny thing is, Ive been listening quite a lot to James Corbett lately, and his voice has something of the same quality about it.

But both of these dudes have intelligence that truly should be listened to.

JMHO, but James Corbett is quickly developing into the Terence Mckenna of Global Politics, and more.

[elfismiles]

[slimmouse]

Here's a podcast from the psychedelic salon from a couple of weeks ago. The content synchronicity for me is spooky action at a distance

Today we pick up on the February 1996 Terence McKenna workshop that we began with Podcast 472. When he gets to his overview of habit and novelty and then moves into a discussion of time, his poetic language provides several interesting mental footholds from which we can expand on some of his thinking about the topic of time. As he says, “We are very naieve about the nature of time,” pointing out that the concept of using an average of measurements taken in a science experiment requires that all moments of time must be the same. “Are they?” he asks. “Is every moment just like the others?” From there he takes us on an interesting journey into the I Ching.

“We get to the point then with modern science where you could almost say that modern science is the art of describing those systems so crude in their structure that they are not subject to temporal variables.” -Terence McKenna

The origins of the Choicemaker

https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-47 ... ice-maker/

[PufPuf93]

What I like about RI is that RI is likely the only forum ever on the internet that would suggest my two all time cultural avatars (PKD and Zappa) as candidates for VPOTUS when they were both deceased.

I also like McKenna. We are both graduates of the Cal College of Natural Resources sharing an emphasis in ecology; in my case forest ecology and forest soils and McKenna's case ecology, shamanism, and conservation of natural resources. I started in January 1974 and McKenna finished in 1975 but had no idea he existed. I have never observed McKenna mentioned in the quarterly alumni magazine nor elsewhere.

I became aware of McKenna later and bought True Hallucinations followed by Timewave Zero, Archaic Revival, and the Invisible Landscape in early/mid 1990s.

I never took Timewave Zero seriously except for the concept of novelty.

McKenna is a thoughtful and interesting and human mind.

[guruilla]

I guess I shouldn't be the one to rain on anyone's parade, but tho I used to rate McKenna highly (was even super-briefly in contact with him in 98), I now feel quite strong aversion to his whiny voice and his avocation of (what I see as) non-liberating entheogen-abuse. But what really clinched it for me (not Jan Irvin, sorry) was when I heard him cheerfully advocating the reduction of the male population on the planet. I can't find the audio right now, but maybe someone else has heard it?

On a larger note, isn't the whole notion of voting for leaders one that, in 2015, as been thoroughly revealed as non-functional?

[slimmouse]

I guess I shouldn't be the one to rain on anyone's parade, but tho I used to rate McKenna highly (was even super-briefly in contact with him in 98), I now feel quite strong aversion to his whiny voice and his avocation of (what I see as) non-liberating entheogen-abuse. But what really clinched it for me (not Jan Irvin, sorry) was when I heard him cheerfully advocating the reduction of the male population on the planet. I can't find the audio right now, but maybe someone else has heard it?

On a larger note, isn't the whole notion of voting for leaders one that, in 2015, as been thoroughly revealed as non-functional?

you obviously didnt listen to the podcast yet

this is just one of the reasons i posted it.

[PufPuf93]

I guess I shouldn't be the one to rain on anyone's parade, but tho I used to rate McKenna highly (was even super-briefly in contact with him in 98), I now feel quite strong aversion to his whiny voice and his avocation of (what I see as) non-liberating entheogen-abuse. But what really clinched it for me (not Jan Irvin, sorry) was when I heard him cheerfully advocating the reduction of the male population on the planet. I can't find the audio right now, but maybe someone else has heard it?

On a larger note, isn't the whole notion of voting for leaders one that, in 2015, as been thoroughly revealed as non-functional?

The McKenna clips in the 1st and 2nd posts in this thread are the first time I have ever heard McKenna's voice.

I am for available and safe entheogens but haven't partook personally for about 30 years mainly because of no trusted source. There are times and places for partying with etheogons as well as trips of discovery.

Never heard McKenna advocate reduction of the male population (but I am for a gradual reduction of human population and footprint on Earth).

I all seriousness I would never consider McKenna nor Dick a viable politician but Zappa maybe as he was a tight administrator, some say control freak,, as well as artist and thinker. Arnold and Ventura (and GWB for that matter) functioned as Governors.

[guruilla]

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you obviously didnt listen to the podcast yet

this is just one of the reasons i posted it.

If you mean the one-minute one, I have now. I still don't see the difference, a leader is still a leader, voting is still voting. McKenna was still backed by Laurence Rockeller. Which doesn't mean TM was an asset, only that he was considered to be an asset (if there's a difference).

After twenty years of doing them and knowing people who have, I haven't seen any substantial evidence that repeat entheogen use leads to anything but a cosmically inflated ego and a fucked up liver.

Still trying to find that audio.

[wordspeak2]

I'm a huge McKenna fan and a regular psychedelic user. In my experience repeated psychedelic use has led to unspeakably amazing life developments. The key is to get over any addictions that are in the way, such as coffee. Take psychedelics by themselves, consider microdosing, and life is ego-less bliss. It's simply a much more happy and connected way of being.

I couldn't wrap my head around The Invisible Landscape, though. Maybe I'm just nit smart enough. But I think McKenna is a hero for talking openly about DMT beings and hyperspace. He was right a million times over. And Dennis McKenna is a good guy- I read his book- but he lacks the charisma of his late brother, and he hasn't gotten over his addiction, so he's not as psychedelically developed as Terence was, in my humble assessment.

[guruilla]

Take psychedelics by themselves, consider microdosing, and life is ego-less bliss. It's simply a much more happy and connected way of being.

Shamanically speaking, to smoke DMT or ingest any other hallucinogen is to offer up our cells as a sacrifice to the spirits. By such sacrifice, we are allowing our consciousness to be possessed by mysterious and invisible agents of transformation. When we ingest a psychoactive substance, a number of our neurons are “destroyed,” which is to say, broken down to their basic constituents. In the moment of destruction, they become “food” for inorganic intelligences to gain temporary substance in our organic realm of existence, via our consciousness. There is a moment of overlap between the worlds of life and death, the temporal and the eternal. As part of us “dies,” it is absorbed by the spirit-intelligences residing in the plant or chemical, intelligences which (we can only imagine) are seeking an experience of organic existence otherwise unavailable to them. (Since plants are organic life forms, it might be more accurate to say they are seeking a different, more sentient kind of organic experience.) In those brief moments or hours, while our neurons are being consumed by the entheogen, they are still connected to our conscious selves, to the nervous system and neural network. As a result, we get to consciously experience existence “on the other side,” through the eyes of the spirits; at the same time, the spirits are able to experience life through our eyes. This form of ritual sacrifice is an ancient exchange, possibly the oldest one of all.
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Potentially, entheogens can “light up” the neural network of our brains and even our greater nervous systems. In extreme cases, such as shamanic initiation entails, they may even allow us access to a genetic level of consciousness, where ancestral memories and “past lives” are stored. This process is perhaps similar to splitting the atom to create a nuclear explosion: if our bodies (like the rest of physical reality) are holographic systems, each neuron, each molecule, would contain the information of the whole network. (A blood sample will tell you something about the whole body.) When psychoactive molecules “invade” the molecules of our bodies, they crack them open and release the information stored inside, giving us momentary awareness of the whole network: “nuclear” vision. There’s an obvious side effect of this, however. Since accessing the information of the neural network requires hacking into the system, entheogens cause inevitable damage in the process. As a result, the long-term effects of entheogens are generally the opposite of their short-term effects. I believe that entheogens cause “ruptures” in the neural pathways of the brain and the total body (possibly even in the DNA), ruptures which then prevent a spontaneous activation of the system further on down the line. They give us a taste of enlightenment—which is to say our natural state of being—but the possibility of a lasting enlightenment later on is drastically reduced. In this way, entheogens, like gurus, and perhaps like occult knowledge in general, engender spiritual addiction.

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It will no doubt be argued that, if used properly (shamanically), entheogens such as ayahuasca, ibogaine, and psilocybin can be used for healing, so how can they be said to harm the body? The answer is in just what “proper” or shamanic use entails, as well as what we understand by “healing.” The electromagnetic field or “aura” around the human body, which corresponds roughly with the neural networks I have been describing, is where all physical illnesses originate, so it is here that any shamanic healing via entheogens presumably occurs—if indeed it does occur. Such “soul-healing,” when effective, would more than make up for any damage being done to the body by entheogens, because by sealing up fractures or clearing out blockages in the energy body (the total psyche), the body would be able to regenerate itself over time. Generally speaking, this does require a shaman—an experienced energetic healer—administering the entheogens, and often taking them in the patient’s stead. Performing energetic surgery upon our own psyches would obviously be a highly risky endeavor, not to say an insane one. At best, the chances are that we will use the entheogen-induced experience of heightened awareness to avoid areas of blockage—or to plough through them without necessary preparation—rather than heal and integrate them. This may not result in physical sickness (at least not right away), but it will very likely lead to ego inflation, on the one hand, and dissociation and fragmentation (mild schizophrenia) on the other. Perhaps most commonly, it leads to a combination of both.
http://realitysandwich.com/122957/serpe ... hange_all/
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Start at 1:14:38 for the male reduction plan, courtesy of "the mushroom"