Active Shooter San Bernardino

[shaftoe]

"That's not a "decorated veteran," those are boy scout participation patches."


WR, I'm not sure if you realize how offensive that statement was. Would you say the same of someone who just had the deployment ribbon for Vietnam ? This is completely OT, sorry...but just wow...asshole statement. Button pushed, mean culpable.

[Wombaticus Rex]

"That's not a "decorated veteran," those are boy scout participation patches."


WR, I'm not sure if you realize how offensive that statement was. Would you say the same of someone who just had the deployment ribbon for Vietnam ? This is completely OT, sorry...but just wow...asshole statement. Button pushed, mean culpable.

Sure, if they were IT workers.

Hopefully it's no secret I am an asshole.

[Harvey]

The move comes after reports claimed the woman accused of helping to slaughter 14 people in a gun massacre in California pledged allegiance to the Islamic State (Isis). Tashfeen Malik, 27, swore fealty to the terror group in a Facebook post on Wednesday, the same day she and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, committed the rampage.

This meme is getting much play on the Guardian today. I remember watching with a friend as Fuck Head's Facebook account was logged into and a few details changed while he was still shooting kids on Utoya, immediately after his identity became known.We had screen shots of before and after, many other people posted theirs online at the same time. My reaction should still be on the Breivik thread. So, there's precedent for the above story. Weirdly the only change was to add the latest Call of Duty to his list of favourite games.

After thinking about it, who but staff would be able to access a Facebook account then log on, change the page and get invaluable publicity on behalf of a video a game (while children are being shot down somewhere else in the world.) Well, that was then. Why not do the same today to advance 'the narrative.'

Question is when exactly? Is the entire claim bollocks? It's one small detail but it's the sort of thread which might be interesting to follow.

[IanEye]

Thanks for clearing up what the media is trying to sweep under the rug, IanEye. Supposedly there were multiple witnesses.

Yes, if i wasn't clear, i am not saying i think the witness saw SWAT.
Just that the drills are convenient.

i don't know what the witness saw.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Question is when exactly? Is the entire claim bollocks? It's one small detail but it's the sort of thread which might be interesting to follow.

I have a new car and I own no compact discs.

I feel like I should say that before I admit to listening to NPR on the drive home. They did their "weekly roundtable" with David Brooks and other such deformities, and I was struck that they kept saying, essentially -- "we were unsure what the motivations were until today when all doubt was erased by the news from Facebook that..."

Because, Amen: the fuck does that mean? What is their standard of proof? A screenshot? Not even. Facebook can mint reality now.

That can't be good.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Thanks for clearing up what the media is trying to sweep under the rug, IanEye. Supposedly there were multiple witnesses.

Yes, if i wasn't clear, i am not saying i think the witness saw SWAT.
Just that the drills are convenient.

i don't know what the witness saw.

Oh no, I get what you're saying. WAY too convenient. Very conducive for witness retractions.

[stickdog99]

Shocking that all it takes is a supposed FB post made under an alias to decide somebody with a Navy vet brother who allegedly shot up the people he knew at his workplace did it because he was an ISIS-loving terrorist.

It's as if we are all in a gullibility experiment and the test is how little sense something has to make and how little evidence needs to be presented for us all to jump to the exact same conclusions.

12 of the 14 victims were the shooter's co-workers. What, other than spooky FBI leaks and Muslophobia, makes this sound like a murder motivated by geopolitics or religion to you?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/tashfe ... index.html

Three U.S. officials familiar with the San Bernardino, California, massacre have told CNN that the woman involved in the shooting authored -- as the incident was occurring -- a Facebook post declaring her loyalty to the leader of ISIS.

Tashfeen Malik's post pledging allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was made on an account with a different name, according to one U.S. official.

The officials did not explain how they knew Malik made the post. ...

'Nothing ... out of the ordinary'

Like her husband, Malik wasn't on any list of potentially radicalized people, and there was no evidence linking her to any terror groups overseas prior to news of the Facebook posting. "There was nothing to show that she was extreme at all," Abuershaid told CNN. "She was a practicing Muslim, she believed in the religion, and she was just doing the five prayers a day, the fasting... there was nothing to show that she was out of the ordinary. "

Abuershaid said there was nothing to show she was responsible for radicalizing her husband. Malik was of petite stature, which led David S. Chesley, an attorney for the Farook family, to assert that she was an unlikely gunman in the San Bernardino attacks. "She was never involved in shooting. She's probably about 90 pounds, so it's unlikely she could even carry a weapon or wear some type of a vest or do any of this," Chesley said.

What their landlord said

"Once we rented the property, we don't bother people," Miller said. "They seemed like gentle-minded people. I guess you can't judge a book by its cover."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/fem ... d=35589386

Today lawyers for the Farook family cast doubt on the reports of the ISIS pledge and said that there hasn’t been any real evidence that the couple has any “extremist tendencies.”

“None of the family knew of him as being extreme, aggressive or having any extreme religious views,” one of the attorneys said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/female-san-ber ... d=35579983

In 2007, she returned to Pakistan to study at Bahuddin Zakri University in Multan and stayed until 2012, according to a Pakistani intelligence official. She was said to be a brilliant student and was not known to have religious or political affiliation while there.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-be ... er-n474246

Earlier Friday, Farook's brother-in-law insisted the slain suspect was an observant Muslim but not a "radical" and never gave any indication of what may have motivated him and his wife to launch a terror attack with four guns and explosives. ...

Relatives have described Farook and Malik as a happy couple who gave no outward sign of being Islamic fanatics. They even registered at Target before their baby daughter was born.

[stickdog99]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

In surreal scene, reporters swarm Redlands home rented by shooters

The owner of a Redlands townhome where the two shooters in this week's San Bernardino massacre lived allowed dozens of reporters inside the home Friday morning to see the property for themselves.

Doyle Miller, 81, arrived at the Center Street home Friday morning with a camera to take pictures of what was inside. He removed plywood that was boarding up the front door and let in reporters, who swarmed the small home, rushing up the stairs and flooding the kitchen and main room.

Some broadcast live footage, jostling others out of the way for a better shot. The otherwise dark room was illuminated by a flood of camera lights. Reporters remarked how unusual it was to have such access.

It was hard to assess whether the modest, brown, two-story home was in its natural state because FBI investigators had spent hours searching it and because dozens of reporters and neighbors who came to look were inside.

One woman brought her dog. “It’s not real,” Miller said of the scene as he stood on the front yard surrounded by television cameras.

A Los Angeles Times reporter who was among those who entered the property confirmed with Miller that he had given journalists permission to go inside. ....

Two small black tables sat in the middle of the room. On one was a four-page list of items the FBI had seized during its search – ranging from ammunition and gun accessories to Christmas lights. ...

On Friday, Miller said he would not open the garage with so many reporters around.

“I’m not going to yet, not with all these people around,” he said, adding that he had not been in it himself.

So everyone and her dog gets to broadcast from the inside of the house where there is a Koran and a baby crib and the original copy of the list of terrible stuff the FBI supposedly found in the garage and so kindly left behind for all the reporters. But nobody can see the garage where all the ammo and "rudimentary" pipe bombs and "christmas tree light" explosive devices were found because there are just too many gosh darn reporters around for that.

[stickdog99]

How WTF can you get?



And the FBI knew for a fact that there nothing possibly incriminating in those shredded documents. Right? No reason at all to bring those shreds back to the lab to reconstruct them! Right?

[stickdog99]

What if people didn't automatically believe any line of shit the FBI handed out and the corporate media breathlessly repeated? What if people realized that this is the same federal government who tried to blame Iraq for 9/11 out of political expediency?

What if people gave the claims of the people who knew the alleged shooters the same credence or lack thereof that they are giving unnamed law enforcement sources who keep speculating about self-radicalization? I mean, just as a thought experiment, of course. We all have to always believe everything authorities tell us in real life, of course. But just as a hypothetical thought experiment, consider ...

Does a workplace execution of one's co-workers really fit the MO of an ISIS-inspired terror attack? Does it? Is there anything about such a mass shooting that would scream ISIS to if the alleged shooter was a white guy named Smith who had a Bible at his house instead of a Koran?

Does a shy, ninety pound mother of a newborn with not a shred of previous military training or one iota of radical religious history really strike you as a likely paramilitary mass murderer for Allah? Does she?

Is there anything about a string of Christmas lights that screams sardonic Muslim terrorist bomb detonator?

Do the shredded documents left for reporters to take home as souvenirs signal a real terrorist investigation? Do they? Really?

Does the FBI opening up this couple's house of this family to reporters and stating that they don't care how much the reporters trample on the evidence there strike you as just a bit strange considering even the remotest chance that our supposed terrorist couple were not 100% working alone?

[Nordic]

What if people didn't automatically believe any line of shit the FBI handed out and the corporate media breathlessly repeated? What if people realized that this is the same federal government who tried to blame Iraq for 9/11 out of political expediency?

What if people gave the claims of the people who knew the alleged shooters the same credence or lack thereof that they are giving unnamed law enforcement sources who keep speculating about self-radicalization? I mean, just as a thought experiment, of course. We all have to always believe everything authorities tell us in real life, of course. But just as a hypothetical thought experiment, consider ...

Does a workplace execution of one's co-workers really fit the MO of an ISIS-inspired terror attack? Does it? Is there anything about such a mass shooting that would scream ISIS to if the alleged shooter was a white guy named Smith who had a Bible at his house instead of a Koran?

Does a shy, ninety pound mother of a newborn with not a shred of previous military training or one iota of radical religious history really strike you as a likely paramilitary mass murderer for Allah? Does she?

Is there anything about a string of Christmas lights that screams sardonic Muslim terrorist bomb detonator?

Do the shredded documents left for reporters to take home as souvenirs signal a real terrorist investigation? Do they? Really?

Does the FBI opening up this couple's house of this family to reporters and stating that they don't care how much the reporters trample on the evidence there strike you as just a bit strange considering even the remotest chance that our supposed terrorist couple were not 100% working alone?

Thumbs up to all of that.

This is as weird as any of these events have ever been.

This tiny woman, while presumably already dressed in camp and body armor and a face mask, while carrying an automatic weapon and possibly a couple of IED's, decided to create a brand new FB account through an alias, and pledge her fealty to a US Spook-created terrorist organization. Yeah ok.

[seemslikeadream]

Rachel Maddow is doing a story right now on why the family would hire a lawyer that would push the "Sandy Hook" story...talking about Alex Jones


why would the family need a lawyer she asks

Trump doing an interview with Alex Jones

Jones says 90% of his audience support Trump

[seemslikeadream]

has anybody been talking about the theater incident? sorry if I missed it

no license plate on car suspicious person reports a worker there Monday night

[Elvis]

Have we heard the part yet about how they FBI had been watching this guy and had contacted him in the past?

I could be wrong but I'm fully expecting that.

[stickdog99]

This is as weird as any of these events have ever been.

This tiny woman, while presumably already dressed in camp and body armor and a face mask, while carrying an automatic weapon and possibly a couple of IED's, decided to create a brand new FB account through an alias, and pledge her fealty to a US Spook-created terrorist organization. Yeah ok.

Yeah, this tops the indestructible passports, for sure.

"self-radicalization" = that mysterious force that turns an otherwise normal food inspector and stay-at-home wife couple with a newborn into three rampaging armed gunman dressed in body armor with multiple pipe bombs with Christmas light detonators just sitting in the garage on the other side of the wall behind the baby's crib